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Yes, but I though we were comparing troops. Paladins comparing to something like RG centurions are laughable for the point cost. Same with those primaris dakka termintors.

Also the combination requires the use of multiple buff characters, and stratagems.

Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

-2 AP with one of the new spells/litanies, firing twice at rapid fire range

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

Sure about that? Cause the strat says nothing about changing weapons "type"

 greyknight12 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

Sure about that? Cause the strat says nothing about changing weapons "type"

The strat doesn't, but the definition of what counts as a psi weapon apparently does.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

Sure about that? Cause the strat says nothing about changing weapons "type"

The strat doesn't, but the definition of what counts as a psi weapon apparently does.

Correct.

So you can essentially have a 10-man squad where every member has a Disintegrator-grade weapon, and if that unit dies you can use the combo somewhere else next turn?

Yeah, that's gonna hurt.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

Cool. will work nice on big unit of strikes or paladins.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So you can essentially have a 10-man squad where every member has a Disintegrator-grade weapon, and if that unit dies you can use the combo somewhere else next turn?

Yeah, that's gonna hurt.

It does cost 2 CP. and it is not like GK armies driped in those in the past. It is nice that the psychic power has synergy witht his though.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So you can essentially have a 10-man squad where every member has a Disintegrator-grade weapon, and if that unit dies you can use the combo somewhere else next turn?

Yeah, that's gonna hurt.

I think we're going to have a lot of tactical options depending on who your opponent happens to be. Imagine running max squad units. You can combat squad them and go full super smite spam, or keep the big units and just lay waste with bolter fire.


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Karol wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Uh, guys. Hey...uhh...Psybolt Ammo counts as a psi weapon.

So stormbolters will be S6 AP1 D2. Good night Intercessors.

Cool. will work nice on big unit of strikes or paladins.

I was thinking Paladins and Interceptors, being able to alpha strike and double shoot in rapid fire range, that's 240 super bolter shots for 600 points worth of infantry.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So you can essentially have a 10-man squad where every member has a Disintegrator-grade weapon, and if that unit dies you can use the combo somewhere else next turn?

Yeah, that's gonna hurt.

That and psycannons can be S9 - D3 on the big ones.

GK will be less of a glass cannon. More of a glass howitzer. Hopefully those stay at 2 CP.

Just picked up the GK dex yesterday-now I have dexes for 2 of the chambers militant. Just need Deathwatch.

So. Many. HQ. Choices!

Can't wait for the PA- looking really forward to new psychic discipline.

At the same time though, you want to run MSU to get more CPs, and each unit is still expensive as gak and will die just as easily as before if caught out.

I like these buffs. They have some really great potential, but there's also obvious weaknesses that you're gonna have to play around in order to not just get wiped off the table.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
At the same time though, you want to run MSU to get more CPs, and each unit is still expensive as gak and will die just as easily as before if caught out.

I'm running a test build this afternoon that's mostly mid-field ranged focused. Single battalion, vanguard, outrider. 10 CP to start the game and another 4-5 over the game with my psyker relic chaplain. I think that should be good considering i'm eating up 700+ points to buff one Highlander level unit (and won't need as much CP buffing multiple units).

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
At the same time though, you want to run MSU to get more CPs, and each unit is still expensive as gak and will die just as easily as before if caught out.

I like these buffs. They have some really great potential, but there's also obvious weaknesses that you're gonna have to play around in order to not just get wiped off the table.

As it should be, I think.

Not sure if anyone mentioned. Seen preview.

The psi weapon tide only effects infantry.
But psybolt ammo makes storm bolters psi weapons...

So yes. Str 6 -2 2dmg storm bolters and 2 dmg smites will be a thing.

Sadly gmndk does not benefit from some tides.

So where is everyone seeing that Psybolt Ammuntion makes Stormbolters a Psi weapon? Or is this conjecture?

BomBomHotdog wrote:
So where is everyone seeing that Psybolt Ammuntion makes Stormbolters a Psi weapon? Or is this conjecture?

It's confirmed in the reviews this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NukJVUdbBM&t=2536s

GK preview @ 34:20

They go over the combo wording. Until/if FAQ it works.

ALso review DA beforehand and Tsons afterwards

 Daedalus81 wrote:

All the people arguing future rule changes for lore/logic reasons 10 pages back, hows that -1 to hit LR and bolter "psi" weapon taste?

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

All the people arguing future rule changes for lore/logic reasons 10 pages back, hows that -1 to hit LR and bolter "psi" weapon taste?

...we're 7 pages in.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

All the people arguing future rule changes for lore/logic reasons 10 pages back, hows that -1 to hit LR and bolter "psi" weapon taste?

...we're 7 pages in.

I was referring to the other thread, where people were arguing the only psi weapon was the Psilncer and the LR wouldn't get Shadows because it's not a psyker model.
Edit: There is also a third GK tactics thread discussing the same topics.

RAW your Landraider gets -1 as soon as it only touches Terrain with the edge of its tracks.
The BRB FAQ states clearly that only if the rule says "WHOLLY within" then you need the whole base/modell.

But Tide of shadows says entirely within, that is copy/pasted from the general Cover Rule, and that gives you cover (or -1 to hit in this case) as soon as a part of the modell/base is in terrain.

Maybe they FAQ this later, for now our LRs and SRs just need to touch a Terrain Piece for Cover and -1 to hit

stormcraft wrote:
RAW your Landraider gets -1 as soon as it only touches Terrain with the edge of its tracks.
The BRB FAQ states clearly that only if the rule says "WHOLLY within" then you need the whole base/modell.

But Tide of shadows says entirely within, that is copy/pasted from the general Cover Rule, and that gives you cover (or -1 to hit in this case) as soon as a part of the modell/base is in terrain.

Maybe they FAQ this later, for now our LRs and SRs just need to touch a Terrain Piece for Cover and -1 to hit

I thought it's down to whether or not the rule refers to a unit being entirely within (which would mean all models are at least partially within) or if it's asking for models being entirely within, which would mean all of the models must be completely within the terrain.

stormcraft wrote:
RAW your Landraider gets -1 as soon as it only touches Terrain with the edge of its tracks.
The BRB FAQ states clearly that only if the rule says "WHOLLY within" then you need the whole base/modell.

But Tide of shadows says entirely within, that is copy/pasted from the general Cover Rule, and that gives you cover (or -1 to hit in this case) as soon as a part of the modell/base is in terrain.

Maybe they FAQ this later, for now our LRs and SRs just need to touch a Terrain Piece for Cover and -1 to hit

My opponents will certainly object.
Within or completely within is the question.
But when it comes to terrain/cover, completely within will be the right formulation.
They will certainly change it.

FAIK it's wholly within.

FOr anyone interested here's a bat rep with the new GK rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt95kBMejQ&t=3366s

Na, the Tide of Shadows Rule Rule say "Units....Entirely Within", and the entirely refers to the unit, so the Entire unit, as in all models of the unit.
We will have to wait and see if they FAQ it to "Wholly within", until then you get -1 for just touching with the base(es) of all model(s)

Would be cool to use a storm raven but without the -2 it is utterly unplayable.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Would be cool to use a storm raven but without the -2 it is utterly unplayable.

Right, which is why we never see Stormravens in different factions of marines or at different points of the 40k competitive meta, like that time there were so many of them they created the Boots on the Ground rule to combat their spamming, or the time right now where they occasionally feature in competitive IH lists.

Different marines cost less, then GKs . 250pts is not the same in an army that has scouts, and can build around high point units, and an army that has 17-30pts troops. Specialy when the said army can't skip on the troops and take something else more powerful or cheaper.