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Indeed.

I grabbed one, and ordered two on Saturday. As local stock didn’t sell through by Sunday, I’ve been given the greenlight to get my remaining two off the shelf.

Sadly I don’t currently have the funds to get a small stock for later distribution in the Loot Group (short announcement, orders close just before payday, expensive month and flatmate bailed on a £150 loan). But she’s there for those that want, and that’s what matters.

If we’re discussing new Guard, might I suggest this?

Cadian Derivatives
-Cadian legs repurposed for Mordian/Cadian/Praetorian/Tallarn.
-Cadians get new heads with smaller helmets, but otherwise remain the same.
-Mordians get 10x the “Tank Commander” torso and new peaked cap heads.
-Tallarn get 10x the “Tank Commander” torso and new keffiyeh heads.
-Praetorians are Cadians with new pith helmet heads.

-Long-coated Guard
-Steel Legion, Vostroyans.
-New sculpts all round. SL and Vostroyans get the same legs, with centrally-buttoned tunics and different heads.

-Proper Greatcoat Guard
-Valhallans, UDF, and Krieg.
-All share new greatcoat legs (I know that Krieg have pinned greatcoats but shhh)
-Krieg get centrally-buttoned tunics from SL and new heads.
-Valhallans get the same.
-Ultramar PDF get Cadian torsos and crested helmets.

-Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Mordians, Krieg and UDF all get the same (new) arms.
-Cadians and Praetorians get the current Cadian arms.
-Tallarn get new rolled-sleeve arms.


This is, of course, completely unfeasible, but a man can dream.

Dalek, someone pointed out what they've done with Necromunda. If they were able to get a half-dozen decently varied 5-man sprues out for banking on a spinoff game taking off, it seems entirely feasible they could do something like that for IG.

And yeah, if they were smart about it, they could revise the aesthetics to easily fit close to a dozen regiments to a third as many sprues, and open up some really nice conversion options between kitbashes.

Command could be a vet + cmd squad, or just an upgrade sprue, heavy weapons are trickier, but still not the worst. Release 1~3 unit sprues and a character for each type every so often and it's a splash of new guard players.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Dalek, someone pointed out what they've done with Necromunda. If they were able to get a half-dozen decently varied 5-man sprues out for banking on a spinoff game taking off, it seems entirely feasible they could do something like that for IG.

And yeah, if they were smart about it, they could revise the aesthetics to easily fit close to a dozen regiments to a third as many sprues, and open up some really nice conversion options between kitbashes.

Command could be a vet + cmd squad, or just an upgrade sprue, heavy weapons are trickier, but still not the worst. Release 1~3 unit sprues and a character for each type every so often and it's a splash of new guard players.

GW is going to mostly monopose figures so that 3rd party parts do not fit with the GW figures.

That logic doesn’t follow though.

3rd party would just need a copy of the original to work out dimensions and design from there. Which is no different to super flexible multiparty kits.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That logic doesn’t follow though.

3rd party would just need a copy of the original to work out dimensions and design from there. Which is no different to super flexible multiparty kits.

I guess it’s the difference between “some legs that with a little filing will fit most human-size models” and “half a thigh cut a 47 degree angle”. One can be widely used, the other is more investment for less return.

Really I think we’d need quite a lot of financial info on 3rd party sellers to confirm or deny this

General Hobbs wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Dalek, someone pointed out what they've done with Necromunda. If they were able to get a half-dozen decently varied 5-man sprues out for banking on a spinoff game taking off, it seems entirely feasible they could do something like that for IG.

And yeah, if they were smart about it, they could revise the aesthetics to easily fit close to a dozen regiments to a third as many sprues, and open up some really nice conversion options between kitbashes.

Command could be a vet + cmd squad, or just an upgrade sprue, heavy weapons are trickier, but still not the worst. Release 1~3 unit sprues and a character for each type every so often and it's a splash of new guard players.

GW is going to mostly monopose figures so that 3rd party parts do not fit with the GW figures.

I don’t think they are doing that, and if they are they are dumb. Every third party upgrade kit requires a GW kit as the base, so GW’s sales are unaffected, the third party manufacturers get their sales too and we all get cool looking armies; it’s win, win, win. If they make it practically impossible to use upgrade kits, the third party companies will just start making complete miniatures (which a lot of them already do), so the biggest loser would be GW, as people will just skip buying the base kit.

I actually think what you are seeing is a combination of a) trying to get more interesting, dynamic poses (which is good, to a degree*) and b) expunging any options that they can’t fit on the core sprue (which is more of a rules thing and bad). So they don’t need to make the models as easily customisable, because they’re not expecting people to kitbash, because there’s no options to add.

* Of course, they have a tendency to go too far with unique poses, such that you get very distinctive individuals that look dumb when repeated in large armies. Ironically the Necromunda kits, where this would be much less of a problem due to small gang size, actually disguise the repeated poses pretty damn well,

I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really. Sure for a time GW could shut them down, but they'd easily start making 3rd party parts that can bolt on or just outright replace the GW model.

Don't forget sometimes poseable models don't always work. Remember some of the older models had big chunky shoulders or ball and socket joints. Meanwhile if you go for very realistic joints you often end up with so few options on how to position that you basically end up with repeat poses any way. It can also increase the difficulty of assembly.


Plus look at all the competition; the vast majority are monopose as well. You get a few outliers like Kingdom Death, but broadly speaking most are like Infinity, Warmachine etc..

The online made to order for Ripper is now open, 4 1/2 days left to go

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ripper-Jackson

YES! Glad it wasn't a long wait, odd that they didn't just do it on the weekend at the same time; but great now she's up!

 DalekCheese wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That logic doesn’t follow though.

3rd party would just need a copy of the original to work out dimensions and design from there. Which is no different to super flexible multiparty kits.

I guess it’s the difference between “some legs that with a little filing will fit most human-size models” and “half a thigh cut a 47 degree angle”. One can be widely used, the other is more investment for less return.

Really I think we’d need quite a lot of financial info on 3rd party sellers to confirm or deny this

Which is why I suspect Wargames Atlantic is likely cashing in with their sci-fi and history ranges that, whilst great kits in their own right, can be re-purposed to fit in with the 40K crowd* that aren't reliant on official tournaments or GW stores for their games fix. One doesn't even need GW figures to convert.

*based on my painting up 55 Les Grognard as not-Vostroyans.

 Overread wrote:
YES! Glad it wasn't a long wait, odd that they didn't just do it on the weekend at the same time; but great now she's up!

I’m guessing that they wanted to encourage people to go into their local stores, advertising that it would be available so soon on the website would have discouraged local sales.

Also, why is the format of this page so wide on my phone? I was scrolling down, expecting to find a massive picture.

 Overread wrote:
I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really.

Of course they did. The shift in miniature design came after the CHS debacle.

 Overread wrote:
Sure for a time GW could shut them down...

No they couldn't. That's the point. That's what led to the disastrous court-case, where GW claimed ownership of things like skulls, arrows, grenade launchers, and Roman numerals, what caused them to change their miniature style, and eventually the no model=no rule nonsense we have to deal with today.

I've said it a dozen times before:

GW and CHS went to court, but we're the ones who lost.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Also, why is the format of this page so wide on my phone? I was scrolling down, expecting to find a massive picture.

Dakka recently changed / updated it's fonts, and it's having a few side effects...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really.

Of course they did. The shift in miniature design came after the CHS debacle.

The most common third party bits are shoulderpads and heads, GW conciously made Primaris Marines 100% compatable with old school pads and heads. even old school backpacks can be fitted on primaris Marines with almost no effort

Got two of the Sergeant as a friend wants one. Also picked up a Solitaire, as it's the one Harli mini I don't have and it's Direct Only so might as well given shipping is free. That said, the price is a sign of the times (or a sign of GW's constant price increases). AUD$55 for a single Catachan mini compared to less than AUD$30 for the Harli character.

BrianDavion wrote:
The most common third party bits are shoulderpads and heads, GW conciously made Primaris Marines 100% compatable with old school pads and heads. even old school backpacks can be fitted on primaris Marines with almost no effort

And? So? But? Therefore? GW had a range of their own shoulder pads and accessories that they didn't want to invalidate.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Unpopular opinion? I feel the 2nd Ed Regiments for IG were an error in judgement.

Millions of planets, only a handful of real note? I’d have preferred they refreshed the original Rogue Trader aesthetic.

Other opinions are available

We did see that asthetic in Kill Team Rogue Trader, so don't give up hope

 Togusa wrote:


So, pick the most popular 6 Regiments X3 = 18 Kits. I believe the Necrons are getting something like 20 Kits. Should be easy to do. The great thing is that you can spread it around, do two [Reigments] here, another two a few months down the road, or just do it all at once.

Necron kits aren't 5 kits done in 4 different style.

Unless you can convince every IG player will buy every regiment type not much chance. You 6x production cost but sale count won't likely even double.

tneva82 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:


So, pick the most popular 6 Regiments X3 = 18 Kits. I believe the Necrons are getting something like 20 Kits. Should be easy to do. The great thing is that you can spread it around, do two [Reigments] here, another two a few months down the road, or just do it all at once.

Necron kits aren't 5 kits done in 4 different style.

Unless you can convince every IG player will buy every regiment type not much chance. You 6x production cost but sale count won't likely even double.

Yeah, that's why I'm hoping for really efficient sprues (either single regiment that can cover all the bases, or modular/multi-regiment). I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do 3 kits for that many regiments individually, but if they're smart about it I think they could stretch a few sprues a very long way, and wind up with a well-supported IG line.

More on topic, I don't know if the model looks bad because it feels like no one at GW has ever painted catachan skin well, or because it's just not very detailed, but... yeah, big pass for me on this one. If it were like $15 I might spring for it as a fun project, but once more GW's character prices make it very difficult to justify anything short of amazing.

I've just ordered "Ripper" Jackson from the webstore. Hopefully it takes less than 180 days before they send it to me...

A fool and his money...

Take that scalpers.

At least that one dude is selling it painted. And not terribly, either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really.

Of course they did. The shift in miniature design came after the CHS debacle.

 Overread wrote:
Sure for a time GW could shut them down...

No they couldn't. That's the point. That's what led to the disastrous court-case, where GW claimed ownership of things like skulls, arrows, grenade launchers, and Roman numerals, what caused them to change their miniature style, and eventually the no model=no rule nonsense we have to deal with today.

I've said it a dozen times before:

GW and CHS went to court, but we're the ones who lost.

While I agree with this almost entirely, as it also led to all the renaming things since the copyright and trademark offices told them they were too generic. That and claimng all swords and heraldry are your intellectual property was not one of their smarter moves.

That said, yes, GW has made it very obvious that the retooling was just to screw with existing aftermarket parts manufactures since they couldn't do so legally. It's also why GW still has that clause prohibiting blending someone else's IP with GW's.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
It's also why GW still has that clause prohibiting blending someone else's IP with GW's.

Which is why the guys at Creative Assembly have to keep reminding the Total War community to not mod other IPs into the Warhammer Total War games. They could lose their licensing as a result.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
It's also why GW still has that clause prohibiting blending someone else's IP with GW's.

Which is why the guys at Creative Assembly have to keep reminding the Total War community to not mod other IPs into the Warhammer Total War games. They could lose their licensing as a result.

Yeah, the lack of mods in some GW based games is getting really old. Most 40k games, the modding is the best part.

Ripper is "selling" like Lead in my local Shop...

RazorEdge wrote:
Ripper is "selling" like Lead in my local Shop...

I'm not good with analogies, it is selling, or isn't?

My local GW store had 30 and they all sold within 40 minutes.

my local store has plenty still. I imagine her popularity will be dependant on the popularity of catachans.

BTW guard players who want new guard infantry sculpts should make sure they buy this char. GW's likely using it as a trial baloon

BrianDavion wrote:
my local store has plenty still. I imagine her popularity will be dependant on the popularity of catachans.

BTW guard players who want new guard infantry sculpts should make sure they buy this char. GW's likely using it as a trial baloon

That's what I was figuring, and am swallowing my pride and buying a GW mini since I want to see female IG finally be a thing.

 Togusa wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Ripper is "selling" like Lead in my local Shop...

I'm not good with analogies, it is selling, or isn't?

My local GW store had 30 and they all sold within 40 minutes.

My local GW got 15, and sold out in about 20 minutes. GW the next town over got 30 and still has 20 on the shelf.