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I don't have the time for such a project, but it would certainly be something to follow. And because the range is quite large, I think that a specialised thread would be a good idea.

   
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I'd like that, basically the only time I become aware of new Deep Cuts is if I randomly see them in an online store and then it's usually something dumb like a 6 month preorder, 1 week in stock and then sold out forever.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd like that, basically the only time I become aware of new Deep Cuts is if I randomly see them in an online store and then it's usually something dumb like a 6 month preorder, 1 week in stock and then sold out forever.


I found this place via their eBay store when I was looking at some of the Deep Cuts models. No idea if they ship outside of the UK but they seem to have good prices and stock levels:

https://stevebeergames.com/search?type=product&q=deep+cuts


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So someone please start a Wizkids minis thread before we get totally knocked off topic here.


 
   
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And link to it here, so we can all jump to it and cheer you on!

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My partner got her Bones KS order in - my first comment was "we should have ordered more dragons"

Seriously, the dragons look really good and the material keeps getting better and better.

The only other miniature in the there that rivaled the dragons was the Greek expansion's golem. It looks great and makes me want to use it in a game. Maybe as a monster in some sort of rank and file system.
   
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Wizkid stuff has gotten really good. Would be happy to see a thread there.

In other news I benefited from the shipping container delay for the current Bones KS fulfillment as my package arrives tomorrow and I was in a much later wave. I didn't have a core box just a bunch of addons.
   
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Really looking forward to the Greek Storm and Cloud giants. They're a perfect Zeus and Hera.

 
   
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I'm also looking at the reopened PM that's supposed to happen tomorrow. I want the Dark Depths set and before didn't really have the cash for it but now, if the price hike is reasonable, will get it as who knows if the stuff in there will ever make a retail release or when as Reaper really isn't too forthcoming on what wont due to poor KS sales.
   
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 ScarletRose wrote:
My partner got her Bones KS order in - my first comment was "we should have ordered more dragons"

Seriously, the dragons look really good and the material keeps getting better and better.

The only other miniature in the there that rivaled the dragons was the Greek expansion's golem. It looks great and makes me want to use it in a game. Maybe as a monster in some sort of rank and file system.


Good to hear! About 80% of my order is dragons and the Greek set. Lol

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I didn't buy Greek Odyssey, though I bought pretty much everything else.
In the end I have some regrets on the ommission.

Glad to hear the dragons are decent though, I keep buying and being disappointed with the materials quality. However Bones 5 dragons looked good so I bought the full set of chromatics and the Bones 2 dragon.
This means that the Dungeons & Lasers dragons are mostly being painted as metallics.




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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd like that, basically the only time I become aware of new Deep Cuts is if I randomly see them in an online store and then it's usually something dumb like a 6 month preorder, 1 week in stock and then sold out forever.


I found this place via their eBay store when I was looking at some of the Deep Cuts models. No idea if they ship outside of the UK but they seem to have good prices and stock levels:

https://stevebeergames.com/search?type=product&q=deep+cuts



Thanks for the link. Some sites dont get highlighted on Google search.

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There's been an update that if you want to order more stuff you have to create another account. Funny enough this comes from the PM page itself if you already have an account as the web person must have gotten annoyed with the Reaper employees on social media telling people to email their web admin and ask for them to unlock the account for more purchases.
   
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I was trying to figure out why Reaper sent me two packages when I only placed one order until I opened the boxes up. The pirate ship is suitably impressive.
   
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 solkan wrote:
I was trying to figure out why Reaper sent me two packages when I only placed one order until I opened the boxes up. The pirate ship is suitably impressive.


All I can say is: pictures please!
   
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 Dolnikan wrote:
 solkan wrote:
I was trying to figure out why Reaper sent me two packages when I only placed one order until I opened the boxes up. The pirate ship is suitably impressive.


All I can say is: pictures please!


I don't have any pictures yet, but someone has posted an unboxing for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocSHu-B1a-A

   
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Oh man, she's a beaut. I have no idea what I'll ever do with it, but I love it so much! Zoom in on the bottom picture, you can see some 28mm figures here and there to get a good idea of the massive size of this thing.





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 pancakeonions wrote:
Oh man, she's a beaut. I have no idea what I'll ever do with it, but I love it so much! Zoom in on the bottom picture, you can see some 28mm figures here and there to get a good idea of the massive size of this thing.







Does your second deck actually line up with the bottom layer? Do the rails line up with the rails of the very top deck? Mine is a mess and nothing lines up or fits properly.
   
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It's a tiny bit bendy. The cabins atop the stern of the ship don't sit perfectly flat, but it's good enough that you don't notice unless you're looking for it. The rails do seat properly, so visually it looks good. The seal between decks isn't perfect, but surprisingly close for a Bones model. (for those who don't have the model... The masts are all removable with powerful magnets at their bases and in the deck. The stern cabins come off, as does the whole upper half of the boat to reveal the large, flat lower deck)

It's not perfect, but close enough that I'm really happy with it.

I think it's too big to try the hot water treatment with... I wonder if you might have OK luck with a hairdryer on high? Not quite sure how you'd fix a bad warp on such a big model!

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We are anxiously awaiting our larger than originally planned Bones 5 pledge. We started out mostly just to get the ship but it was a slippery slope of “just one more thing” over and over again.

That said, we have lately been worried about reports on the ship model being a mess though. Hence the anxiety while we wait for it to arrive.

What weight of shot are the cannon scaled for?

Is it 20 cannon included? How many gun ports?

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I just opened my Bones 5 parcel...

WOOHOO!!!

I didn't go as big as some, but I got the extra undead, the Overgourd (never knew I needed a Pumpkin Beholder 'til I saw him ), the Gem dragon, the dragon bust, dragon brush holder and the "disapproving hand spell".

Very impressed with the models, seems like good material and larger than I expected!

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Nice. Bones Black is a big improvement over older bones formulas especially for human sized stuff and smaller.
   
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 pancakeonions wrote:
Oh man, she's a beaut. I have no idea what I'll ever do with it, but I love it so much! Zoom in on the bottom picture, you can see some 28mm figures here and there to get a good idea of the massive size of this thing.







Nice fleet, can you give a run down of whats what and where we can buy. I recognise the other Bones vessels, but list them all for everyone elses sake.


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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
We are anxiously awaiting our larger than originally planned Bones 5 pledge. We started out mostly just to get the ship but it was a slippery slope of “just one more thing” over and over again.


Me too. I bought the ship because it was big and $100. Do I need it? No. Will I likely never use it? Probably. Will I ever paint it? Unlikely.
But the kicker was. Will I get epic tier not-buyers remorse? Certainly.

I just had to buy it.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

That said, we have lately been worried about reports on the ship model being a mess though. Hence the anxiety while we wait for it to arrive.


It is softer material, which means it is heat and fix material.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

What weight of shot are the cannon scaled for?


I think they are 18pdr, which are heavy guns.


18pdr


12pdr

This makes the vessel a fairly reasonable late 18th century 6th rate. Though the stern architecture is from a century earlier.
Frigates prior to the Nelsonic era tended to have two decks of small guns, but moved to a single deck of heavier guns. Fewer guns total but more firepower and range. 6th rates had 20-24 heavy cannon, putting Sophies Revenge squarely into the 6th rate frigate category

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

Is it 20 cannon included? How many gun ports?


More than it needs. For heavy cannon you will want all the cannon on a single deck near the waterline. 20 12/18pdr is a decent armament for a frigate, and the ship is at fair scale for the class. Rule of cool allows for deck guns. If you want to have two gun decks buy lighter cannon for the deck guns, or some swivel guns and maybe a pair of carronade.

While it is a fantasy ship and does mix genres if you replace the masts with something more reasonable I think it makes for a very plausible vessel. Doing a rated warship in 28mm is quite an achievement, most kits and sits at this scale are for smaller unrated vessels.

Here is how I would rationalise this model.

Sophie's Revenge was built in the new world by Portuguese or Spanish shipwrights using outdated but servicable blueprints and balcony architecture from the days of the Spanish Empire. She is most likely a Spanish ship. She was then captured by/traded to the English, French or US who refitted her as a modern frigate. To be worthwhile doing she must have been laid down in the 1770's or later and in service to northern powers by the 1790's who refitted her for single deck heavy guns. Hence why there are main deck emplacements, which probably housed 9pdrs from an earlier two deck gun arrangement of about 30-40 canon total.
From the number of guns she is most likely to be in service to the Royal Navy as it is spot on for a RN 20 gun 6th rate frigate.
The masts are a mess, the top masts have been damaged to the point they need replacing. It is not yet sure if the admiralty will allocate additional timbers for an antiquated 6th rate or decommission the vessel.
Piracy was still a thing in the Napoleonic Era so we might assume the ship was considered in a not seaworthy condition and was inadequately guarded.

I want to convert mine to a fully rigged ship, but not be fully rigging my vessel, will stop at three sails per mast, maybe even two, but I will be redoing the masts on mine, and I will be adding a spanker and a single token jib.
I will still take advantage of the magnetisation and not attach lines, and my sails will be more clear of the deck than is accurate both for ease of using miniatures.
Rule of cool, demands I try a go at making Sophie's Revenge carry a full ship rig, but practicality means I will not get anal over it.
My current proposal is to have two spars per sail, one with a furled and tied cloth sail hanging from it and the other a glued on fully billowed sail which I can make by wrapping thin cloth around a dustbin and spraying with rigid starch and gluing on ropes at the spar. In neither case will any lines be present, but I will likely have to do something about climbing rig. Though that is a problem I am finding difficulty envisaging a solution. I might cut flaps to fold bases, but I might instead just buy some of these.



The jib will be one piece with lines (most likely wire) attaching to the bowsprit and the foremast. I will have two jib sails glued together, I should be able to get away with them touching. I will not attempt a furled jib sail.
The spanker will be easier if attached to a gaff, then I can have a deep pinned gaff spar one high up with a billowed sail and one with a furled sail. I might not bother with a lowered position for the gaff and the sail will be cut well short so it doesn't interfere with putting models on the poop deck.

All in all I think I have it planned out. I down know what sized dowel I will use, or how I will make additional platforms. I might never actually get this done, but it is the sort of project I want to complete and might bypass much of my pile of shame. I hope so.

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Orlanth, yet again you have a wealth of knowledge and are very helpful. You certainly know more about the period than I do. I will follow your suggestion on the history of the ship, but modified for the 7th Sea background we are using for our Tarnished Splendor project (Napoleonic Gothic Horror Pulp Exploration Multi-Game mashup).

This model inspired the whole project so it’s a key part of what we are doing…. Which means it needs to be high priority for me to complete.

The masts are something I knew I was going to have to work on but you are so much more knowledgeable on the details than I am. For the cannon, I am thinking rule of cool but need to figure out what to use. Do you have any recommendations on makers of appropriate models?

The most common opponent for this ship will most likely be much smaller ships, we have a couple of sloops coming with the latest Blood and Plunder Kickstarter but I have my eyes open for another decent, yet affordable larger ship.

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While I can see why Reaper didn't include cannons in an already hefty model I'm kind of surprised they didn't make a Bones cannon and offer a pack of 20 for the ship.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
While I can see why Reaper didn't include cannons in an already hefty model I'm kind of surprised they didn't make a Bones cannon and offer a pack of 20 for the ship.


The ship has 15 gun ports per side, 9 on the lower deck, 5 on the upper deck and 1 in the cabin thing. So has 30 gun ports. Plus can hold maybe 4 on the front and 2-4 on the back deck… so could have 38 without looking too crowded… though I remember when they revealed the wip pics people were saying 42-44?

The set comes with 20 cannons, originally they had said 10 but changed it after some complaints. The cannons are 2 piece bones models. The carriage and back of the barrel and then the front of the barrel. They did not offer the cannons separately so there was no option to fully arm the ship.

I haven’t assembled my cannons yet, but they seem to be around the same size as the wizkids canons. If they do offer the cannons separately I will buy more to fully arm the ship and arm some of my playmobil ships.
   
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Here are some pics next to Renaissance games ships from their kickstarter. Also a wizkids cannon on my reaper ship.
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Clockwise, starting at 3o'clock we have the Sophie's Revenge (or her stern, anyway!)
At around 6 o'clock we have the wee sloop that was part of the Brinewind extras from the same kickstarter. It's a nice small ship that should be able to hold a reasonable crew.
At around 7 o'clock is the small Reaper row boat, which was available on their website. It can comfortably hold one mini, or two with a lil squeeze.
8 o'clock we have the Games Workshop Arkanaut Ironclad from the Age of Sigmar Kharadron Overlords
10 o'clock and 11 o'clock are two ships from Blood and Plunder, the Bark and Tartana, respectively
Finally, at noon, we have the Reaper Bones Stygian Barge

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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Orlanth, yet again you have a wealth of knowledge and are very helpful. You certainly know more about the period than I do.
I will follow your suggestion on the history of the ship, but modified for the 7th Sea background we are using for our Tarnished Splendor project (Napoleonic Gothic Horror Pulp Exploration Multi-Game mashup).


I know less about the genre than I let on. I had to look up a lot of the terminology to make sure I got it right, and didnt explain it because if I mention words like jib, spar, gaff or spanker, it is easier to just look them up.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

I will follow your suggestion on the history of the ship, but modified for the 7th Sea background we are using for our Tarnished Splendor project (Napoleonic Gothic Horror Pulp Exploration Multi-Game mashup).


It is broadly sound but the design is certainly not historical, and does mix different times from the age of sail. That being said it is not impossible, especially for a ship built in the New World which might not follow European design doctrines closely.
I like your scenario design. I am going for a timewell in the Caribbean, something done rather a lot, in pulp. Sailors from different points in time cross over when the stars shine different and an odd wind blows. People arrive from the 16th through to early 21st century, sometimes floating in the water, sometimes in a near intact ship. The more basic the technology the more it lasts on the other side. So sailing ships and back powder weapons get repaired and supplied long after diesel engines and modern weapons are dry. There will of course be Nazis, the U404 (submarine not found), 30's pulp action, various age of sail craft, classic pirates, remnant France/Spain/England rivalries, a fully established Lost Aztec empire with El Dorado (which had portal control for a while). Almost all travel is strictly one way, some records and odd evidence manages to cross back which is normally a hook to draw other unfortunates through.. There will be magic, maybe limited to mojo, maybe not, plus evidence of intelligent apes and lizardfolk. It isn't a Cthulhu adventure but there are Mythos undertones, especially for those who fall through while actively researching anomalies. The campaign hot location is in the late Cretaceous, with all the good stuff, close to the chicxalub impact location, which hints at the multiverses way of removing the temporal anomaly. The comet is already on its way and cant be stopped, but nobody knows when it will arrive. Could be next week could be a millenia hence.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

This model inspired the whole project so it’s a key part of what we are doing…. Which means it needs to be high priority for me to complete.


Me too. I have been thinking about this for months. I will need more ships through.
Look here:

https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

The masts are something I knew I was going to have to work on but you are so much more knowledgeable on the details than I am. For the cannon, I am thinking rule of cool but need to figure out what to use. Do you have any recommendations on makers of appropriate models?


Those are appropriate models. I doubt Reaper were specific to an actual scale, but they look like 18pdr to me.
However you can get scale accurate age of sail cannon in 28mm.

https://www.firelockgames.com/product-category/blood-plunder/
Pretty much everything you need, though you can get ships for less elsewhere.

I don't intend to paint myself into a corner here. I would like every model to fulfil as many genres as possible. Historical, swashbuckler romance, and fantasy pirate.

https://www.firelockgames.com/product/6th-rate-frigate-pre-order/
Note the 6th rate listed above is half the size (it is understale frankly) and twice the price. Printable scenery are frankly better for ships, but Blood and Plunder is a good resource to look at.

What you will be needing are light cannon and swivel guns. There are many manufacturers to choose from.
To mix it up a bit more also look for carronade, though you will only need a pair and only on later (Napoleonic era) ships.

http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2008/10/setting-sail-collecting-ships-for.html

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

The most common opponent for this ship will most likely be much smaller ships, we have a couple of sloops coming with the latest Blood and Plunder Kickstarter but I have my eyes open for another decent, yet affordable larger ship.


I missed that Kickstarter, in fact I read and answered this in order. Serves me right.
Printable Scenery is the place to go for other ships.
Build the Sloop, Brig, Frigate and fluyt first, the others are too out of genre or are fantasy designs. Ther fluyt is also obsolete but is a placeholder for dedicated merchant vessels as I do not see an East Indiaman anywhere..


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
While I can see why Reaper didn't include cannons in an already hefty model I'm kind of surprised they didn't make a Bones cannon and offer a pack of 20 for the ship.


The ship has 15 gun ports per side, 9 on the lower deck, 5 on the upper deck and 1 in the cabin thing. So has 30 gun ports. Plus can hold maybe 4 on the front and 2-4 on the back deck… so could have 38 without looking too crowded… though I remember when they revealed the wip pics people were saying 42-44?

The set comes with 20 cannons, originally they had said 10 but changed it after some complaints. The cannons are 2 piece bones models. The carriage and back of the barrel and then the front of the barrel. They did not offer the cannons separately so there was no option to fully arm the ship.

I haven’t assembled my cannons yet, but they seem to be around the same size as the wizkids canons. If they do offer the cannons separately I will buy more to fully arm the ship and arm some of my playmobil ships.


Cannon are heavy, weighing in at two tons for a 12pdr cannon to over double that your heavy piece. Cannon also need to be raised above the water line, but not too high to unbalance the ship. Twenty eighteen pounders will weight 60 tons plus weight in powder and shot. That is a lot for a frigate which weighs approx 400 tons laden weight.
Real frigates would easily have 30-40 gun ports and be refitted for 20-24 heavy cannon, or fill each gun port with a much lighter cannon.
Yes a frigate could put to sea with thirty eighteen pounders, and doesn't appear to be much compared to the size of the ship. But with 90 tons of ordnance, much of it well above the centre of gravity I would not like to be aboard in heavy swell. Ask the crew of Vasa or Mary Rose what that was like.

Now you can rule of cool it, because fantasy pirates, but I dont see the need. Keep the armament as is, and add a couple of light six pounders on deck and a pair of post mounted swivel guns and you have all the cool factor you need.

Remember more weight in gun means less ammo to go around, shot weighs quite a bit so do powder barrels. It also explains the vulnerability of merchant vessels, which were very comperable in design to warships and oftimes carried the same cannon, but would have four or six piece total, maybe eight. Any more cuts down on mass for cargo which is what you want anyway. This also explains why most pirate vessels were actually cargo ships, put 20-30 cannon on a trade ship and go hunting.

 Smokestack wrote:
Here are some pics next to Renaissance games ships from their kickstarter. Also a wizkids cannon on my reaper ship.


Those wizkids cannon are proper fantasy pirate deck guns for extra Arrr. Guns that big belong on the first (lowest) deck of a 1st or 2nd Rate Ship of the Line, and am not sure even then. Perfect for a shore installation.


Allowing for the deck clutter in relation to the gun ports it is very clear the ports are designed for very light cannon. Small piece with minimal recoil perfect for sweeping decks and pinpoint shore bombardment.

6 pdr.



32pdr gun deck on HMS Victory.

Even a 1st Rate would not dare use those as deck guns. If heavy seas wont capsize her, recoil will.
You can certainly rule of cool this for fantasy piracy.

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Orlanth started a new thread for ship discussion. Lots of good info here, so he made a thread where we can continue that.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/799743.page#11174757
   
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You can now add 10 cannon for $10 in grey bones or glow-in-the-dark bones in the new Bones 5 Pledge Manager.



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Ordered 50 more cannon in the pledge manager. At $1 a cannon is hard to beat. And I can use them to arm my Playmobil ships...


Smokestack, as an existing backer I can't access the new pledge manager unless I set up a new email address and link it to my banking details or at least Paypal. This is an extra point of vulnerability I don't want unless I have no choice. In order to help with that can you screen dump (or even text dump) the pledge manager contents, pricing etc into this thread so we will know if it is worth the headache.
I am tempted for the cannon already.



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