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People also don’t like orks being meta because you can’t just buy in
People just don’t like horde armies being meta in general, elites are always preferred it seems.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
People also don’t like orks being meta because you can’t just buy in
People just don’t like horde armies being meta in general, elites are always preferred it seems.

Funny part about that is orks arent really much of a horde army right now. We have no reason to run big blobs and boyz are limited in what they can do anyway.
That being said though suddenly i feel compelled to run a Brigade and field 120 boyz in 10man squads lol..... just to mess with people

Well there's the knee jerk adjustment we were all expecting and some of you thought was appropriate. While obviously the intent and end result curtails sratoraptors a bit as well, this balance update was so painfully obviously targeting a specific list that has barely gotten off the ground.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
People also don’t like orks being meta because you can’t just buy in
People just don’t like horde armies being meta in general, elites are always preferred it seems.

Funny part about that is orks arent really much of a horde army right now. We have no reason to run big blobs and boyz are limited in what they can do anyway.
That being said though suddenly i feel compelled to run a Brigade and field 120 boyz in 10man squads lol..... just to mess with people

Yeah, I’ve tried boyz, it’s terrible. I’m more talking the “horde armies” because we’re sort of running a mechanized tide, same way guard armored companies do.

Boom, buggies are dead.

 Jidmah wrote:
Boom, buggies are dead.

Buggies or the Orks?

Overreaction (to be expected), but buggies are not "dead", they just won't be the ork default from now on. Might not be the best fix GW could have done, but a fix was needed and now players will need to squadron up or just add some other units to the mix.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Boom, buggies are dead.

Buggies or the Orks?

Since the Aircrafts nerf is also affecting AD Mech and they and Dark Eldars also got points changed, we'll see.

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Selfcontrol wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Boom, buggies are dead.

Buggies or the Orks?

Since the Aircrafts nerf is also affecting AD Mech and they and Dark Eldars also got points changed, we'll see.

The points change was the early release for CA…
Oh wait you thought this was over for orks?
I assure you expect plenty of point hikes as well or orks in CA!
Orks aren’t done being beaten down yet more is yet to come!!!
There was already rumors from playtesters that planes and buggies were seeing a points hike so expect that at the least…

This is simply a knee jerk reaction from orks winning 2 weeks ago… because 6 months of ad mech dominance they took it slow. But after 1 ork win they did an emergency update a month before CA is released?
And yet it’s a poor fix since it does little to stop buggy spam lists.. people will still spam 6-12 buggies competitively and 2 jets. It just makes all those kustom jobs they created mostly useless for ork buggies.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Boom, buggies are dead.

Buggies or the Orks?

The buggies spam archetype. There is plenty of good stuff left, and it's not like bringing 3 squigbuggies suddenly is a terrible idea.

 bullyboy wrote:
Overreaction (to be expected), but buggies are not "dead", they just won't be the ork default from now on. Might not be the best fix GW could have done, but a fix was needed and now players will need to squadron up or just add some other units to the mix.

This does nothing but prevent mannys 18x buggy list which was already out of the meta.. the socal list was warbikers, 3 scrap, 3 squig, 1 kbb, 1 shokkjump and 4 planes (now 2).

Speed mob will be taking over that spot competitively. I’m only disappointed to lose nitro squigs and other kustom jobs people used when they had a few extra points to spend on lists.

At least until we get hit again with the nerf bat next month which is going to happen… don’t fool yourself in thinking this is it. The CA book is already printed with our nerfs they just didn’t early release it with DE and admech since they want you to pay for those nerfs…. Considering admech and De got a 10-15% point hike o expect the same for buggies and planes kommandos and stormboys.

gungo wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Overreaction (to be expected), but buggies are not "dead", they just won't be the ork default from now on. Might not be the best fix GW could have done, but a fix was needed and now players will need to squadron up or just add some other units to the mix.

This does nothing but prevent mannys 18x buggy list which was already out of the meta.. the socal list was warbikers, 3 scrap, 3 squig, 1 kbb, 1 shokkjump and 4 planes (now 2).

Speed mob will be taking over that spot competitively. I’m only disappointed to lose nitro squigs and other kustom jobs people used when they had a few extra points to spend on lists.

At least until we get hit again with the nerf bat next month which is going to happen… don’t fool yourself in thinking this is it. The CA book is already printed with our nerfs they just didn’t early release it with DE and admech since they want you to pay for those nerfs…. Considering admech and De got a 10-15% point hike o expect the same for buggies and planes kommandos and stormboys.

Considering the need to translate and print with CA and that DE and Admech had their points listed but Orks didn't there is a non 0% chance that CA actually won't touch Orks much, if at all.

That's the problem with CA being a physical book, it reacts to what existed 6 months ago.

Eh, you can still spam buggies. But now that spam has some variety in it as you take different types of buggies. You can still take well over 1500pts of just them if you desired.

cody.d. wrote:
Eh, you can still spam buggies. But now that spam has some variety in it as you take different types of buggies. You can still take well over 1500pts of just them if you desired.

Spamming 3 of each buggy is not really an option because
a) depending on the footprint of the rest of your army, you might be unable to deploy them on many boards.
b) even if you can deploy them, most of them will not be able to leave your deployment zone for the first two turns. The game tends to be decided by the time they do.
c) almost all buggies besides the squigbuggy need to leave your deployment zone to do anything.
d) taking SJD in squadrons is sub-optimal because you cannot deep strike three buggy bases in coherency anywhere worthwhile.

Essentially the whole buggy spam thing only worked only because squigbuggies could shoot 36" without LoS and the 9 scrapjets were the maximum of buggies you could realistically hope to get anywhere on the board.

I assume that people will shift to other options to replace the missing buggies now. Kill rigs, for example.