Warhammer {{{40k}}} Quest - Blackstone Fortress

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**Insane Ivan**

Sabotage! wrote:
I personally don't see a Hive Ganger being out of the question, though I think if it were implemented it would be more of a character with a Hive Gang background who is now a Mercenary/Bounty Hunter/etc.

I kind of look at like this...there are a LOT of Hive Gangs out there, and the average ganger is far inferior to your average guardsman or even PDF soldiers. But every once in a while you will find an extraordinary individual who is a hive ganger, and once in a great while they will draw the attention of someone like an Inquisitor/Rogue Trader/etc. (someone with the means of elevating them out of their situation).

I guess a good analogy would be pro sports. Lots of players in various games will be drafted by professional teams and go on to play on practice squads/farm teams/college teams, some will develop and play in the pros, but many will just stay at that level for their career. But every once in a great while you'll get an 18 year old kid out of high school or juniors or what not that will go all the way to the pros because of their extraordinary talent.

It's finding ability by virtue of having lots of candidates : ).

I think that everyone is overlooking that, by her stated background, Pious Vorne actually was a Hive Ganger, before she entered the service of Taddeus the Purifier and then ended up in the Blackstone Fortress:

Once a hive ganger, Pious Vorne now fights alongside Taddeus the Purifier, having discovered the joys of faith (not to mention burning heretics). Vorne has a pathological love of incendiary execution and seeks to slay any heretics who see the Blackstone Fortress as a refuge from the Emperor’s light.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/07/7th-nov-blackstone-fortress-choosing-your-explorergw-homepage-post-1/

**MarkNorfolk**

Sunny Side Up wrote:

The Tripods clearly go back to Orsen Wells' War of the Worlds at the very least, if not some earlier Jules Vernes or something like that.

I have never wished for a statement to be attempt at trolling more in my life. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

**ZebioLizard2**

Stormonu wrote:
I was just pointing out how silly it was to question the appearance of three hive hangers when there’s a robot in the group that is easily older than the Imperium itself - as well as depicted as an enemy of mankind in the lore.

Anyways, the article on the tiles made me laugh. Both the drones and the “triangular” shapes on the tile remind me of the Vex mazeworks from Destiny 2. Once again, seems GW only steals from the best (and tries to pass it off as their own unique sort of thing).

Now, just killing time until my copy shows up, and hoping to see some figure expansion packs - good guys or bad - for the game.

Since it seems like people have forgotten how the game actually introduces the robot.. He did not introduce himself as "Hey there Rogue Trader, I am a Man of Iron, An AI that used to be around before the Dark age of Technology, let me help you!"

He instead introduces himself as an Admech Battle Automata that was sent by a Magos to help explore the Blackstone fortress, the Fortress itself being a very valuable and powerful asset that the Magos and Adeptus Mechanicus would be willing to let this robot be used to help others to explore and gather things from this powerful thing of technology. He acts as if he was just another pre-programmed AI that is doing it's duty.

**deano2099**

Mymearan wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
While i would prefer non-marines...well admech to be specific(probably wont happen due to man of iron conflict), I dont understand why people think the marine would be stronger.

They released the 40k stats for these heros...and they arent regular joes. The rogue trader by himself would absolute wreck most marines...multiple at once even. I wont even bother comparing the man of iron to a marine...and the imperium better pray there arent more of them.

We know what power level gw considers the current heros relative to 40k. Unless a random chapter master shows up, im not really concerned about a marine throwing off the balance.

One marine in the fluff is like 10 marines in 40k. Underpowered Marines is fine in that game because you need to make them viable as an army, but in BSF it would look silly for an Astartes to be weaker than a human character, no matter who it is. He should basically be equivalent to all the rest of the characters put together.

I don;t get this? It's okay for marines to be underpowered in 40K because it's a game and balance. But not in BSF, even though it's also a game?

**Arbitrator**

Not everything has to involve Marines.

**Mysterio**

It should though.

**MonkeyBallistic**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
As much as GW invented Space Marines.

Which literally nobody has ever claimed.

**BrookM**

Okay people, enough faffing about with the off-topic stuff please. Please start new threads to take these off-topic discussions instead.

**Crimson**

Arbitrator wrote:
Not everything has to involve Marines.

So who exactly is forcing you to use these additional Space Marine adventurers were rules for such to be released?

Personally I want an Inquisitor and a Deathwatch marine.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Don't forget the Primarchs,

Unlike most of the trivial little battles they show up for when playing 40K a genuine working Blackstone fortress is actually something valuable enough for them to have a reason to be there

(and some new opponents of appropriate power level to give them a challenge)

**SamusDrake**

Was ready to blow £82 on this one, as its sings "Space Crusade meets Heroquest", but the Chaos enemies was a bit of a turn off. I kinda envisioned Necrons or Dark Eldar instead.

Even still, it looks a nice game, and quite surprised GW took WHQ into the 40K universe. I hope the Eldar Ranger becomes a separate release later on. I like the "Mines of Moria in space" and "Krull" feel to it all.

**cole1114**

Sabotage! wrote:
I personally don't see a Hive Ganger being out of the question, though I think if it were implemented it would be more of a character with a Hive Gang background who is now a Mercenary/Bounty Hunter/etc.

I kind of look at like this...there are a LOT of Hive Gangs out there, and the average ganger is far inferior to your average guardsman or even PDF soldiers. But every once in a while you will find an extraordinary individual who is a hive ganger, and once in a great while they will draw the attention of someone like an Inquisitor/Rogue Trader/etc. (someone with the means of elevating them out of their situation).

I guess a good analogy would be pro sports. Lots of players in various games will be drafted by professional teams and go on to play on practice squads/farm teams/college teams, some will develop and play in the pros, but many will just stay at that level for their career. But every once in a great while you'll get an 18 year old kid out of high school or juniors or what not that will go all the way to the pros because of their extraordinary talent.

It's finding ability by virtue of having lots of candidates : ).

the flamer/chainsword character in the box used to be a hive ganger.

**Rinkydink**

^^ You know, I was ready for a non-chaos bad guys as well, but, I will still pick up.

More than anything else, this explores the fringes of the IOM, so we may well see non chaos enemies soon, as well as all kinds of protagonists. - But only if this sells well. (Spoiler: IMO this will sell well...)

**H.B.M.C.**

Warhammer Community is kinda running out of stuff to say about the game. I guess that's the problem with having a 2 week pre-order and trying to write something new about something you've already revealed every single day.

MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Which literally nobody has ever claimed.

Uh-huh.

**MajorWesJanson**

SamusDrake wrote:
Was ready to blow £82 on this one, as its sings "Space Crusade meets Heroquest", but the Chaos enemies was a bit of a turn off. I kinda envisioned Necrons or Dark Eldar instead.

Even still, it looks a nice game, and quite surprised GW took WHQ into the 40K universe. I hope the Eldar Ranger becomes a separate release later on. I like the "Mines of Moria in space" and "Krull" feel to it all.

The only model that is designed for a separate release is the chaos lord. The rest are all mixed together on sprues, and are snapfit it looks like as well. Still, the digital elements now exist for potential multipart kits or different characters.

**Deaf Chas**

Hive Gangers??? I can see one but who are the other two???

Sorry to ask, have looked back a few pages but can’t figure it out.

**angelofvengeance**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Don't know the Destiny game (was that a Kickstarter dungeon crawler?)

The Tripods clearly go back to Orsen Wells' War of the Worlds at the very least, if not some earlier Jules Vernes or something like that.

Triangle design/architecture for "alien" is also rather retro. Star Trek the original series. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. That sorta 60s-70s area of sci-fi used it extensively.

Spoiler:

Orson Welles? I think you mean H.G. Wells...

Orson Welles was the narrator on the radio in the 60s that caused people to lose their gak and freak out lol.

**MonkeyBallistic**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhammer Community is kinda running out of stuff to say about the game. I guess that's the problem with having a 2 week pre-order and trying to write something new about something you've already revealed every single day.

MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Which literally nobody has ever claimed.
Uh-huh.

I don’t think you understand what a trademark is.

This is way off topic too, but ... GW has a trademark on “Space Marine”. They do not and have never claimed to have invented the phrase. They just trademarked it before anyone else thought to. IMHO, every time anyone brings this up to try to claim GW want us to think they invented Space Marines, they just make themselves look stupid.

**SamusDrake**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Was ready to blow £82 on this one, as its sings "Space Crusade meets Heroquest", but the Chaos enemies was a bit of a turn off. I kinda envisioned Necrons or Dark Eldar instead.

Even still, it looks a nice game, and quite surprised GW took WHQ into the 40K universe. I hope the Eldar Ranger becomes a separate release later on. I like the "Mines of Moria in space" and "Krull" feel to it all.

The only model that is designed for a separate release is the chaos lord. The rest are all mixed together on sprues, and are snapfit it looks like as well. Still, the digital elements now exist for potential multipart kits or different characters.

It would be the bloody Chaos chap, wouldnt it! What is GW's fetish with sodding chaos marines! Grrrrrhhh!!!

Sigh.

But seriously, that is a shame, because that is a fantastic looking miniature. On a more optimistic note, I didn't know they are snap-fit. Are they different colour sprues too?

**Mysterio**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Don't know the Destiny game (was that a Kickstarter dungeon crawler?)

The Tripods clearly go back to Orsen Wells' War of the Worlds at the very least, if not some earlier Jules Vernes or something like that.

Triangle design/architecture for "alien" is also rather retro. Star Trek the original series. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. That sorta 60s-70s area of sci-fi used it extensively.

Spoiler:

Orson Welles? I think you mean H.G. Wells...

Orson Welles was the narrator on the radio in the 60s that caused people to lose their gak and freak out lol.

60's?

More like the 30's - LOL!

Easier to freak everyone out when mostly everyone was just getting 'up to date news' via the radio!

**Manchu**

Let’s please stick to the topic, thanks very much.

**Motograter**

SamusDrake wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Was ready to blow £82 on this one, as its sings "Space Crusade meets Heroquest", but the Chaos enemies was a bit of a turn off. I kinda envisioned Necrons or Dark Eldar instead.

Even still, it looks a nice game, and quite surprised GW took WHQ into the 40K universe. I hope the Eldar Ranger becomes a separate release later on. I like the "Mines of Moria in space" and "Krull" feel to it all.

The only model that is designed for a separate release is the chaos lord. The rest are all mixed together on sprues, and are snapfit it looks like as well. Still, the digital elements now exist for potential multipart kits or different characters.

It would be the bloody Chaos chap, wouldnt it! What is GW's fetish with sodding chaos marines! Grrrrrhhh!!!

Sigh.

Lol if only gw cared about chaos marines

**Mysterio**

They do!

I think many factions will be getting a "Blackstone" release, as just about every faction actually would want in on them, and it makes sense to get as many people interested in this as possible.

**Trajann Valoris**

In my store we have made a demo, and we have played 8 expeditions (4 combats and 4 challenges). I found the game really fun and enjoyable, but we felt that some rules are not very well described (probably because it is a Spanish version and the translation isn't very accurate).

For example, in the spanish manual does not show how to heal grievous wounds, but in the GW video tutorial Becca Scott says that returning to precipice heals grievous wounds.

Another doubt I have is if a explorer have been inspired in an expedition, remain inspired for the rest of expeditions, or start each expedition un-inspired.

Anyway, I recommend this game to any fan of 40k, and particularly if you like games like Zombicide

**streetsamurai**

Agreed that the chaos ennemies are a bit dissapointing, in the sense that the first revealed tripod made it seems like they were going for a more original approach, but still, most of the minis are gorgeous and the game seems really really good and to have some depth, so I'm still enthusiastic

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Picking it up, alongside Rogue Trader, on Friday.

Anyone would think it was payday.

Which it is.

**lord_blackfang**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Picking it up, alongside Rogue Trader, on Friday.

Rogue Trader is a trap option! I would seriously get pretty much anything else GW for that money.

Despite all misgivings, I am getting BSF after all. Agreed to trade some FW junk I bought 10 years ago and never used for everything in the box except the Chaos minis, which I can easily proxy. So it's essentially free.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Eh. I don’t have much chance to game these days, but am getting a small Kill Team Group together.

To keep the variety, I want as many Kill Zones as poss. And for £80, I get a decent number of nice looking models to boot.

**SamusDrake**

The Rogue Trader set seems good value for money, considering you also get the 40K codexes.

**Doctoralex**

I played a match with a demo-set at my FLGS as well and I've got to say, the game is really awesome. I do have a soft spot for RPG's and adding that to the 40k universe is just perfect for me.

Besides that, I've been working on a few idea's for custom enemies and explorators that can be used in the game (PM me if you are interested in any ideas.)