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Hey look, I just referred to myself in 3rd person. H.B.M.C. never does that!

Ok, yes, my review. I wrote this during my free time over the course of 3 days. I do actually have good things to say about the Codex, so I encourage everyone to read it through from start to finish no matter if they agree or disagree with me. As usual, I have a lot to say, and I refuse to sugar-coat anything. That's another way of saying that I'm very blunt. Anyway, here it is:

An Exercise in Futility
–OR–
H.B.M.C.’s review of Codex: Chaos Space Marines

Hello all,

That time is nearly upon us. Yes, it’s nearly time for a vibrant and colourful Codex to be reduced into a dull and lifeless husk of its former self thanks to the kind yet increasingly unimaginative souls at Games Workshop. That’s right children, the new Chaos Codex is only days away, and the clamouring hoards want to know one thing:

How badly did they fail?

I’ll answer that question over the course of this review, but I want everyone to know that I’m not just going to look at the rules itself, but everything from fluff, presentation, colour section, everything. Just like my Codex Guard review from a while back, this is a cover-to-cover review that do I as a service to the cynical and jaded members of DakkaDakka, and even those of us too blind to see just how much GW has screwed up (again!). I won’t be going through page by page, and will gloss over some sections, but I will highlight specific sections if they are deemed worthy (or too funny not to point out!). And yes, my often-rampant cynicism will colour this review, but I am positive about some points - not many, but some. And I can maintain an air of seriousness in some parts. I get pretty angry in the Daemon section - you have been warned.

So, as this is a cover-to-cover review what better place to start than with the cover!

The Cover:

I really like the cover of this edition of the Chaos Codex. The main object of the picture may not be Abaddon, but the picture is very similar to the old 2^nd Ed Codex. For those of you that remember, the old 2^nd Ed Codex saw fit to not only give us rules for different types of Daemons, but also gave us a list for Daemon World armies, meaning we didn’t have to wait 1-6 years to get rules to differentiate Bloodthirsters and Lords of Change.

Where was I? Oh yes. The cover.

I do like the cover. It’s a nice re-imagining for those of us who were around in the days of 2^nd Ed. Colourful, vibrant, full of life – it’s everything this Codex isn’t, and as such makes a lot of false promises. More importantly, the cover also states that this is a Chaos Space Marine Codex. This is, of course, a lie, as there are very few things I’d call ‘Chaotic’ in this book.

So, onto the book itself.


Page 1:

I mention page one separately as it contains a large picture of a Chaos Star and, yep, a few skulls as well, but also contains the author’s names in very small text right at the bottom of the page.

The authors of this train wreck are Gavin ‘They Still Let Me Write Rules!’ Thorpe, and Alessio ‘I Should Know Better Than This’ Cavatore. Interestingly my spellchecker knew the words ‘Alessio’ and ‘Cavatore’, but suggested ‘Failure’ as an alternative to ‘Gavin’ and ‘Thorpe’. Now I mention the authors because when I get to this end of the review I have a few things to mention on the full credits page, and because I found it funny that the author’s names were so small at the bottom, almost as if they were hoping someone wouldn’t see it was them who wrote it.

Page one has a scary, spooky boarder reminiscent of the old Realms of Chaos books. I assume this is their attempt to gain some credibility. Truthfully, they’ll need every shred they can get

Page 3:

Page three is your typical introduction page. I mentioned it only because a couple of the headings made me laugh:

1. Why Collect a Space Marine Army?
The immediate answer to that is ‘I want my loyalists to have more spikes’, as there’s nothing very Chaotic about this Codex.

2. How does this Codex Work?
I’m tempted to say it doesn’t. Heh.

Also has the obligatory link to GW online. Hopefully they’ll have some of their wonderful example lists up soon that usually contain things such as randomly selected units and Havoc Squads with 4 different heavy weapons…


Page 4:

Oooh! They are trying to do Realms of Chaos. Again with the spooky boarder surrounding some fluff about letting a galaxy be slightly singed or something similar.

This fluff piece is interesting as it really hits home what GW are attempting to do with this Codex. The Horus Heresy is not mentioned, and the formally abundant Traitor Legions have become the ‘Traitor Legions and Renegade Chapters’. They are obviously trying to abandon the Legions as what Chaos is represented by. There will be more on this later.


Page 5:

This is some new art that represents much of the art in the book. The last Codex had a very distinct theme – Chaos killing poor, hapless Cadians. This time it’s different – it’s Chaos killing Loyalists. And there are piles of dead Marines lying around. The Defiler art is nice, and I think the thing in the background it’s a Lord of Battle, for anyone who remembers that from Epic. I like it.


Page 6:

Much like page 4, this introductory fluff piece goes into detail that this is a Codex about fallen Loyalists, not the Traitor Legions. To me, at least, it is interesting, as despite my ire with this book over the dropping of the Traitor Legion rules, the concept of Renegade Chapters and fallen Loyalists has never really been explored. We got a little bit of the Red Corsairs back in 2^nd Ed, but haven’t had much more of that since then. As I said, I find it interesting and it’s just a pity that GW couldn’t find a balance between those of us who want to play the Traitor Legions, and those of us who want to play Naughty Ultramarines.


Pages 7-11:

This section details Chaos quite nicely. It talks about the creation of the Chaos Gods, the essence of Chaos, and the Champions of the Chaos Gods. We may make fun of Gav for a lot of things, and lot of them are justified as well, but one thing I’ve always liked is his writing style. I loved his Last Chancers books and, although not high literature or art, they were fun. The fluff in this Codex is also fun.

But I have to complain about something, otherwise I wouldn’t be who I am, so let’s pick on… Khorne.

‘Khorne embodies mindless and absolute violence, destroying everything and everyone within reach, slaying both friend or foe alike.’ – Codex: When Loyalists Go Bad, Page 9.

I really do long for the days when Khorne not only embodied mindless slaughter, but martial pride and prowess – skill and ability within combat in all its forms. I want Khorne to go back to being the bloodthirsty God of War, where power could be gained both through hacking off someone’s head with an axe and through blasting them with a massive gun.

Some of us must remember the old Khornate Daemon Engines of Space Marine, specifically the Great Cannon of Khorne. Sure, it was possibly one of the more silly models GW has made, ranking up their with their first attempts at making Thunderhawk Gunships models, but it was a representation of Khorne as a master of combat, no matter the type of combat.

All fiction is based around conflict, and internal conflicts are often the most interesting types. The dichotomy of Khorne – one part bloodthirsty killer, the other part proud and honourable warrior – has, to me at least, made him the most interesting God, even more interesting than the relationship between Nurgle and Tzeentch. To see the Blood God distilled over time to a maniac who just wants to kill everything is quite saddening. Anyway, moving on.

This section goes into some more depth with Chaos Warbands, and, like before, makes only the most fleeting of references to the Horus Heresy. They also talk about Spawndom and Daemonhood, including a nice picture of a Daemon Prince toppling a Marine Dreadnought.


Pages 12-15:

Wow! A heading in big bold type – THE HORUS HERESY. We all knew they had to acknowledge it eventually. Let’s see how they do, hey?

It talks about the corruption of the Primarchs, Horus especially, and talks about the virus bombing of Istvaan III and the fighting that broke out between Loyalist and Traitor elements of the Death Guard, World Eaters and Emperor’s Children. They also talk about Captain Garro of the Death Guard and how he captured the Eisenstein and flew back to Terra to warn the Emperor.

This section is truly excellent and Gav goes into quite a bit of depth, from the arrival of Traitor AdMech units, the Drop Site Massacres including a little detail of the progression of the battle, starting with the assault on the Iron Hands main force before the Chaos forces moved onto wiping out most of the Raven Guard and Salamanders.

I must congratulate them on writing up new fluff rather than just copying and pasting old fluff from previous editions of the Chaos Codex. Yes, it’s all from the new Horus Heresy books, but it’s nice to see non-regurgitated text for a change.

The section also makes mention of ‘The Scouring’, the period immediately following the Horus Heresy where the Space Marine Legions and the Imperial Army reclaimed much of the galaxy. I heard a while back that this is to be covered in the novels as well, so that sounds like an interesting part of Imperial History not yet covered by the fluff in any great detail.


Pages 17-24:

This section goes back to Renegade Marines, and while it is interesting it’s the typical ‘vague’ GW fluff that gives you hints at events, but doesn’t go into detail as they’re designed to be plot-hooks for your own Renegade Army. Nevertheless, it is an interesting read, and presents a side of Chaos we don’t really know. The Traitor Legions aren’t completely forgotten, and their time in the Eye of Terror and their hatred for the Imperium is mentioned, so that’s good.

We do go into depth with one story about a Sergeant from the Sons of Guilleman’s 4^th Company. It has some nice detail, and, like with the other fluff, it’s fun, so quite a welcome addition.

 

We also get a bit about the fanaticism of the Word Bearers and the insidious nature of the Alpha Legion. There’s a pretty cool story about the Alpha Legion infiltrating the Emperor’s Swords Chapter over a period of 300 years, resulting in the theft of their geneseed and the complete destruction of all Loyalist elements of the Chapter.

 

This section contains a lot of colour photos of different Renegade Chaos Chapters. Sadly, all of the Traitor Legions are pigeon holed into this section, proving once again that all your wonderful Alpha Legion and Word Bearer armies are nothing more than a fancy paint job in this Codex.

But let’s have a little fun and pick apart some of these silly Chapter names:

Angels of Ecstasy – Almost as derivative as ‘Blood Ravens’, don’t’cha think?
Bleak Brotherhood – Do they cry themselves to sleep?
Brotherhood of Darkness – I take back my comments about the Angels, this Chapter is derivative.
Claws of Lorek – Cool colour scheme. It’s like tiger-stripe on black.
Company of Misery – These all sound like bad Emo band names. If the Legion of Bonham is in here, I’ll cry…
Death Shadows – Snore.
Disciples of Destruction – Gav has discovered alliteration!
Dragon Warriors – Aren’t they a Cursed Founding Chapter?
Iron Warriors – They look pink for some odd reason. I guess NMM’s don’t work on paper…
Knights of Blood – God…
Lords of Decay – Excellent. Why not call them the Guards of Death. Let’s have the Eaters of Worlds and the Warriors of Iron. How ‘bout the Bearers of Word?
Punishers – Who look like they’re dressed up for Halloween.
The Sanctifiers – Cool name for Traitors, I have to say.
The Reborn – Cooler name for Traitors.
Skull Takers – They look about as threatening as 1KSons in the last Codex.
Steel Brethren – Legion of Black! Legion Alpha! Children of the Emperor!
Unknown – HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
Warriors of Mayhem – Fighters of Craziness. Troops of Insanity! Parabola of Mystery!

There’s a page about the Black Legion that is nice, including their Legion Banner that was held aloft over Castle Wernerstien. When I first read that I thought it said Castle Wolfenstein, then I had an image of Space Marines fighting Nazi’s. That would rule. The variant colour scheme for the Black Legion is also very cool.

There’s a bit about the Planet of Steel, currently occupied by the Iron Warriors. The Iron Warriors get a bit of fluff for themselves. No mention of Lord Petros Heinous and his legions of Heavy Support choices though.

And that brings the fluff to an end. Now we’re into the rules. It’s all downhill from here folks.


Pages 25-28:

We know the rules for Marks. They’re a gross simplification. No more Blood Rage, True Grit, or anything resembling interesting rules. They’re just +1A, +1I, +1T and some funky Invul rules for 1KSons.

We get stuff on Icons without any rules. Mentions of Havocs for some reason. There’s a whole paragraph on how Havocs love to use Rhinos. Umm… what? Stuff on Chosen and Chaos Bikers. Boring, boring, boring. Chosen can Infiltrate. Whatever. Terminators can always Deep Strike for some reason.


Page 29:

Possessed get their own special mention because of just how much they suck. How can you use a unit where you don’t know what they’re capable of until just before the battle? How can you plan to use them when you don’t know if they’ll be getting Scouts, Power Weapons or Fleet of Foot? Moreover, this is done after deployment, so you don’t even know how you’ll use them until after you’ve been forced to place them on the table. What if you placed them back and rolled Scouts? What if you placed them forward and scored Furious Charge?

This unit is hopeless. I love the new models, but they are unusable.


Pages 30-44:

Here we get the ‘Codex without the points’ part of the Codex, the bit where they give you all the rules, but none of the prices and none of the (extremely limited) options. And just like the Dark Angel ‘Codex’ and Codex: Falcon Grav Tanks, it’s as maddeningly useless as before. Chaos players had a complicated ‘Dex with the last edition, but now they have to flip back and forth to find out what a Bloodthirster… wait… sorry… Bloodthirsters don’t exist now. Let me start again. Now they have to flop back and forth to find out what rules their units have and then back to see what options they can get.

On the bright side, Chaos players that own Codex: Dark Angels can just keep the front section of that book open and the army list from the Chaos Codex. As Chaos and Loyalist are so utterly identical now, it should cut down time on flipping back and forth through the book.

Chaos Lords are WS6. Ok, doesn’t matter all that much. They have an inherent 5+(I) save. Sorcerers have Force Weapons, which I hate. I liked it when Force Weapons were something loyalists had. Wait! How could I be so stupid? This Codex is just When Loyalists Go Bad. By rights Razorbacks and Land Speeders should have been included in this book.

Daemon Prince. Wow. How the might have fallen hey? Yeah, ok, inherent WS7 and S6 is nice, as are the 4^th Wound & Attack. But talk about dull!

The Spawn is terrible. No armour save makes it virtually impossible to use. It doesn’t even have a 5+(I) daemonic aura save.

Raptors are just Assault Marines. They’re identical. There’s no ‘Chaos’ here.

Now Oblits are Techmarines. Ok, whatever. I really do not know why people think these are awesome units. They’re more expensive than they used to be, their stats have gotten worse and they’ve lost their Heavy Bolters and Autocannons.

Berzerkers, IMO, are actually under-costed. Sure, they lost their Chainaxes, but they removed that idiotic Blood Rage that made them so difficult to control, gave ‘em Frags and F-Charge as standard, and bumped their WS to 5, so they’re effectively hitting everyone on 3+. All for less points than your typical Berzerker from the last Codex (which came in at 24 w/Frags, F-Charge and Chainaxes).

With 1KSons it’s your typical GW pendulum swing, and they’ve swung it hard. What was once a 24-point Bolter Marine with 2 wounds has become an AP3 spitting Marine that shrugs off fully half the firepower you direct at them. They’re still slow.

Plague Marines may be tough, but damn are they expensive. These guys are good on paper, and probably good in game, but I think the ‘more men’ factor will eventually weigh against the Plague Marines, as you might be able to save points and buy more of the cheaper Noise Marines and leave dealing with enemy assault troops to Princes with the Lash.

The Sonic Blaster is still stupidly overpriced. 5 points each for a few more bolter shots isn’t all that special. Noise Marines are lucky as they’re probably one of the few units that can do a lot of things. It’s the I5 that does it, as their HTH abilities are increased significantly by their ability to swing before mostly everyone. They are also the only unit in the Codex that can be small with a heavy weapon. And speaking of the Heavy Weapons, Blastmasters are not worth 40 points. Not by anyone’s standards. True, even with the 40 point Blastmaster, it’s cheaper to buy 5 Noise Marines and a Blastmaster than it is 10 of useless CSMs and a single heavy weapon, but c’mon – 40 points for a blast Krak Launcher? How do GW honestly come up with these prices.

The Dreadnought rules ensure that no one will ever use one. The Fire Frenzy ensures that no one will ever give them decent guns if they do take one. Is it clear that these guys aren’t getting a new model? I’m sure if there was a new plastic Chaos Dread kit, it’d have totally roXx0r rules… but it’s the same metal one from 2^nd Ed with the now-illegal Thunder Hammer and Power Scourge, so no, no good rules for it, only rules to ensure that they won’t sell any more. Pity the Forge World dreads are so pretty…

Oh, and I’d like to mention that the Chaos Dreadnought has access to one – count ‘em – one vehicle upgrade. Extra Armour. For 15 points. As I said above, no one’s gonna be bringing Dreads after this book hits.

GW wants to emphasise the HTH nature of the Defiler. To do this they gave the Defiler the same weapon skill as a Guardsman. They also made it BS3, so it’s as good a shot as a Guardsman. Thankfully you can replace its guns with close combat weapons for free, so it’ll have 5 attacks. That’s 6 on the charge, meaning it’ll hit 3 Marines, and kill two. All that for 150 points! What a bargain. And by bargain I mean ‘complete waste of time’.

Next up is the Dark Angel Rhino, now with added spikes to make it ‘Chaos’. 15 point Extra Armour never looked so good!

Next up is the Dark Angel Predator, also with lots of spikes. And 60 point Lascannons that it can’t fire on the move. GW, you sure know how to make a crap rule set…

The Land Raider is… well... it’s a Land Raider.

Chaos Vindicator. I think armies with 3 of these things, Possessed, will make for a scary force. This is also supposed to appease us Iron Warrior players for taking away all our rules. Wonder what the Word Bearer players get? Fancy new Daemon rules? Well, as it happens…


Page 61-63:

I’m skipping ahead a little here, because it’s time to discuss the single greatest tragedy with the Chaos Codex. No folks, I’m not talking about the author, I’m talking about the section entitled ‘Summoned Daemons’.

We’ll start with a quote from the fluff in this section:

 

‘Some Daemons are weak, flittering things created from base emotions, but with little personality or direction’ – Codex: When Good Marines Go Bad, Page 61.

I must say, ne’er a truer word has been spoken in a GW rulebook.

The Daemons in this Codex, both ‘Greater’ and ‘Lesser’ (although I’d argue that a more accurate description for both types would be "Less Than" ) truly have ‘little personality’. And if we’re talking about the ‘base emotions’ that went into the design of these Daemons, I’d have to say that ‘boredom’ and ‘laziness’ would be my chief candidates.

Sitting in front of me now I have a very old Games Workshop rulebook. Most of you here will probably have only heard of it, and chances are the closest you’ll ever get to seeing it is in a small thumbnail picture in an eBay auction. I am of course talking about one of the Realms of Chaos books – ancient tomes from which so much current fluff has been pilfered over the years. In this case it is the Slaves to Darkness book, the one detailing Khornate and Slaaneshi forces. This book goes into great detail about different types of Daemons, the nature of Khorne and Slaanesh, and includes rules that have ludicrous amounts of detail – there is a D1000 table in here, I kid you not. This book contains the first ever rules for the Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus, a new weapon called the Psycannon, and the Grey Knights army list. It also contains army lists for Black Legion, World Eaters and Emperor’s Children.

The book is insane. Bloodthirsters used to carry big axes that contained within them another Bloodthirster, who could pop out during the game. They cost 900 or so points of course, so it made sense. There were Fiends, and Daemonettes, Flesh Hounds and Juggernauts. There were rules for Daemon Princes that make the last Codex look like a ‘colour by numbers’ children’s book. As I said, this book is insane.

Now let’s jump back to the new Chaos Codex. What have we got?

 

Greater Daemons.

Lesser Daemons.

That’s it.

Admittedly, Greater Daemons do have a nice statline, and at 100 points they are an absolute steal, but these rules are supposed to represent all Greater Daemons, from Bloodthirsters to Keepers of Secrets, from Great Unclean Ones to Lords of Change.

It’s just wrong.

Does it not sicken anyone here that Games Workshop has seen fit to publish three different sets of Terminator Teleportation rules for three different Codex Astartes-following Space Marine Chapters (Ultras, Imp Fists, Dark Angels), yet there isn’t enough difference in their minds between a Bloodthirster and a Lord of Change to warrant even a different statline!!!

And then there’s the Lesser Daemons. This section represents:

Nurglings
Plague Bearers
Bloodletters
Flesh Hounds
Horrors

Flamers
Screamers
Daemonettes
Daemonette Cavalry
Furies

And how are these wonderful, characterful, colourful and completely and utterly unique units represented in this new Chaos Codex?

A 13 point model with WS4 S4 T4 A2, Fearlessness and a 5+ Invulnerable save. They’re Fearless Space Marine Scouts with +1A, a lesser saving throw, and no weapons. I can imagine every Word Bearer player going mad right now, Emperor’s Children players wondering what they’re going to do with all their Daemonettes, and players with bases of Nurglings thinking what to do with their pint-sized Daemons that now have the same rules as their friend’s Screamers and Horrors.

This section, more than the heavily and needlessly simplified rules, more than the complete lack of variety or flavour in the rest of the list, and more than the nonsensical pricing structure of limited upgrades – more than anything really – epitomises exactly what is wrong with not only the Codex, but the mindset of the bumbling buffoons writing it.

After reading pages 61-63 of the new Chaos Codex, I am left with only two words to say to Mr. Thorpe, Mr. Cavatore and Mr. Johnson:


F#%k. You.


This section is an insult to Chaos players. It is a directed attack levelled at the people who have been playing Chaos for years and those of us with hordes of different types of Daemons – expensive, metal Daemon models, I might add. I don’t care that in 6 months to 3 years we’ll be getting a ‘Daemons Codex’. That doesn’t change anything. This Codex was bad to begin with, but it collapses under the weigh of its own blandness and stupidity with this section.

Ok, enough about these so-called Daemons, let’s get back to where we were.


Pages 46-59:

This is the special character section. I love this section, if only because we get a decent amount of fluff about our beloved cliché characters, and a nice expansion on Mr. Huron Blackheart, the star of this show.

Starting with Abaddon, and straight away we can see that someone at GW said to themselves ‘Y’know, for being the master of all Chaos, Abby kinds sucks’. And then they went and gave him a huge 275 point price tag, and rules to match! Abby is just nuts! I am so stealing every word of his rules for my Abaddon entry in our group’s 40K Revisited Project. Reading these rules made me actually think ‘Yes, I’d use Abby with these rules’ for the first time ever. Not even his 2^nd Ed Rules were this good.

So what are they?

Well, let’s start with the three things that stand out the most: WS7, S8, I6. Yes, you read that correctly. He’s swinging an S8 power weapon at I6, using a WS of 7. He has 4 base attacks, +D6 from the sword. He can re-roll failed To Wound rolls with it. That’s re-rolling S8!! He’s got a 4+ Invulnerable Save. He’s immune to Instant Death. He’s Fearless, and he has a Teleport Homer.

He really is the Master of Chaos, and damn is it about time!

I dislike these emphasis on Special Characters within the more recent Codices. I really dislike it. But at least they’re giving us some characters that are worth a damn. Abby is great! Apparently in Apocalypse you can field multiple special characters. I own two Abaddons… so good!


Oddly, in comparison, our good friend Kharn is a little subdued. He’s still dangerous, yes, but he lost his immunity to Instant Death. He lost his 2+ armour save. He gained a pip of strength, and with F-Charge his WS7 S6 I6 with lots of attacks but he’s just… dull. Sure he went down in points, but I really don’t know why you’d bring him.


For all the 1KSons players out there, I have some good news for you:

Ahriman found a power weapon!!!

It seems that after all these millennia of swinging his Black Staff ineffectually at anyone with an armour save greater than a Guardsman, Ahriman realised that there was an ‘On’ switch at the base of the staff. Now he has a Force Weapon! He’s forgotten how to cast powers automatically, and for that alone I think his price increase to 250 probably isn’t worth it, but at least he can finally kill stuff! Sadly his fluff mentions that he is searching for a way to get into the Black Library and makes no mention of the fact that he found a way into the Eldar Webway during the 13^th Black Crusade.


I was surprised to see that the Enhanced Marine rules of Fabius’ were still in the Codex. I thought that in a world of optionless squads and generic Daemons, something like the ability to enhance Marines would have been very quickly cut in favour of some stock-standard, optionless ‘enhanced retinue’ that only Fabius could get. But no, the rules remain. They’re still no good, and I doubt anyone has ever used them, but they’re there! Sadly, all is not well with the Chaos Primogenitor. His cost has gone up dramatically, he still hasn’t found the ‘On’ switch like Ahriman, so his weapon won’t be ignoring Gaunt or Ork armour anytime soon, his pistol still sucks, he lost his Invul save for a Feel No Pain save, and generally just became more of a confused fighter. I wouldn’t bother. But at least his Enhanced Marine rules are still there. They’re probably one of the more Chaotic things in this Codex.


Lucius the Eternally Useless remains so. He’s lost virtually all of his special rules. His WS and Initiative have increased, but he lost a pip of strength, his Lash of Torment is just a Tyranid Lash Whip. His cost went down, but not enough to justify ever taking him. Thank God he isn’t required to make Noise Marines into Troops…


Typhus went down a few points, and gained a Force Weapon. He’s actually pretty good. Not very exciting, but a decent character.


Finally the star of our show – Huron Blackheart, Master of the Red Corsairs, formerly Lufgt Huron, Chapter Master of the Astral Claws. Sadly, his actual rules are really uninspired. He’s a base-line Commander with a normal commander statline; he has a power fist, a power weapon and one psychic power. The only cool thing about him is that he has a heavy flamer. Really disappointing.

Thankfully we get quite a lot of fluff on the Badab War and other Huron related items. We get a two-page look at a raid Huron made on a Space Wolf Strike Cruiser. What the Space Wolves were doing all the way over in the lower Eastern Fringe, I do not know, but, again, the fluff is fun, so I like it.

So that’s the end of the rules section. Now we get the colour section.


Pages 64-80:

The colour section is very… colourful. Can’t really say much more than that except that I found it amusing the single picture of Iron Warriors has what would be 3 Heavy Support choices in the old Codex. Y’know, rather than 4. Heh.

Alpha Legion have changed colour schemes once again. They look really odd. A made-up ‘Renegade Chapter’ called The Cleaved gets more coverage than any of the Traitor Legions. There’s a conversion of Lysander, but with Lightning Claws. He’s part of a group called ‘The Purge’, and they get more coverage than any of the Traitor Legions.

The Red Corsair models look terrible. I’m sorry, but they’re half Red Space Marines, half Death Company. They don’t look good. The red is too bright.

Their Vindicator picture includes some riveting ‘detail’ shots including the hatch and the… air vent... umm… yeah. Really exciting stuff here. AIR VENTS!! WOOO!!!!!

There’s a 1500 point sample list that contains your usual mixed assortment of random weapon choices and mismatched units. It’s the typical, par-for-the-course crap that we’re used to from GW.

After that comes a jarring picture with lots of the stuff the Studio has just painted, giving us a Chaos Legion that must be from the Renegade ‘Colours of Benetton’ Chapter.

Yeah, and that’s the colour section.


Pages 81-88:

This is the section that Jervis decreed must be in all Codices so his son knows what’s what. Yes, it’s the wargear section, filled with lots of pretty pictures of Bolters with Spikes and huge canons with blade attachments. Thanks to this section we can all feel safe in the knowledge that Jervis’ 5 year old knows the difference between a Chainsword and a Reaper Autocannon.

Only thing of note is that Chaos Terminator Armour doesn’t give you +1 Attack, yet Space Marine Terminator Armour does. Go Loyalists! Oh, and anyone with wings can now Deep Strike. Page 87 does have a pretty nifty picture of a Chaos Dread.

Psychic Powers come at the end. Doom Bolt’s AP3 now. Warp Time is a lesser Veil of Time. Gift of Chaos is the same. Wind of Chaos is the same. Lash of Submission is the single most unfair thing in this Codex. Nurgle’s Rot sucks. Bolt of Change is AP1.


Pages 89-102:

And now we finally reach the army list. I’ve gone over most of what I feel about the units within the rules section that you can all flip back and forth between when you finally buy this train wreck of a Codex, but there are a few things here I’d like to point out, mostly to do with points and comparisons.

Daemon Princes, as everyone knows by now, have reverted back to the Daemon Princes from the really boring 1^st Edition Chaos Codex from the start of 3^rd Ed. They have only 3 options, Wings or no Wings, Mark or No Mark, and Lash of Submission or no Lash of Submission. That’s pretty much what it boils down to. Take two of ‘em.

All the Daemonic Gifts are gone in this Codex. Completely gone. Vanished. No show. The Chaos Lord still has loads of options, but they’re all weapon options, and they’re all extremely dull. Do I take one Lightning Claw or two? Terminator Armour or a Bike? Snore-fest or Nap-Time? The Marks are all ludicrously priced. 20 for +1T that doesn’t even help against Instant Death? 15 points to increase the Invul Save. Only Slaanesh is worthwhile, at 5 points for +1Init.

Sorcerer is up next. He’s got a Force Weapon, and has to take at least one power. Unlike Space Marine Librarians, Chaos Sorcerers have been working in the Eye of Terror for the Chaos Gods and therefore cannot get two ultra-cheap powers. Instead they have to pay 30 points for things like Wind of Chaos and Gift of Chaos. To get two powers, the Sorcerer needs to spend 30 points on the Mark of Tzeentch. Ouch…

This page also has the rules for Daemon Weapons. The normal one is bad. The Undivided one gives you +1A, the Khorne one makes it easier to kill yourself, the Nurgle One is useless except against Wraithlords and ‘Zilla lists, the Tzeentch one gives you a different way of killing yourself and the Slaanesh one is a super-force weapon without the need for a test. Overall the Slaaneshi one is the best. It causes more damage without increasing the chances of killing yourself. Still, for 40 points, what a waste… Daemon Princes cannot get Daemon Weapons. Go figure…

Chosen are still 18 points and still only have 1 attack each. They can get a single Champion, who appears to have no options of his own, so when it says up to 4 in the squad may take certain items, I’d have to assume he is one of those four. So, effectively, you pay +10 points for an extra attack. Otherwise everything else is already available to the squad, including 15 point power weapons and 25 point power fists. Rip off…

Chaos Termies are cheap at 30 points. Anyone can be a Champ. They adhere strictly to the Codex Astartes though, so only one heavy weapon for every full 5 Termies. It’s good to be Chaotic!

Possessed are 26 points each, and as mentioned earlier in this review, you cannot plan at all what they will do during the game, making them impossible to use. Thankfully they can get a Rhino…

The Dread, yeah, already mentioned. Avoid! Avoid! Avoid! Wait for a shiny plastic kit in 6-10 years, and then we’ll get good rules again.

Now we come to Chaos Marine Squads. I truly do not know why you’d take Chaos Marines. It’s 170 points for a squad with a Lascannon. The Icons are priced so that you won’t take them (50 for the Nurgle one for God’s sake, and you don’t even get FNP!). The Cult Troops are just so much better. Avoid these jokers. It seems that Chaos Marines have no place in a Chaos Marine army. This is a pity as I adore the CSM kit. It’s one the best GW has ever made, and now has new bits. Still, there’s no reason to have them. Take Cult Troops.

Also, when I see ‘Mark of Chaos Glory’, I see ‘Mark of Morning Glory’. I can’t take them seriously any more.

For 50 points you can have a Rhino with Extra Armour or for 55 points you can have a possessed Rhino. Unfortunately you can no longer ‘fake’ a Razorback with two combi-weapons and a Havoc Launcher. Now you get your Combi-Bolter and one other option. What does GW have against options?

Plague Marines are 23 points each, and whilst good I just see Noise Marines as the superior unit due to cost. The Champ’s Power Fist is also 25… such a rip off.

140 points gets you 5 Fearless Noise Marines with a Blastmaster. 40 points is still overpriced.

Berzerkers are cheap as chips at 21 points each. They’re nice.

1KSons I’ve been over. Sorc has a Force Weapon. All you 1KSons players out there better start removing those power fists from your Champions.

Chaos Bikers have gone down by one point, and lost an attack. I guess the lack of new model means they got ignored. They really suck now with base A1 rather than A2.

Chaos Raptors, as I’ve said, are now just Loyalist Assault Marines but with access to Plasma Guns and Meltaguns. They can have Icons, but they’re so overpriced you wouldn’t bother.

Spawn are 40 points each. With no armour save you wouldn’t bother.

Havocs, unlike their Loyalist counter-parts, cannot get Tank Hunters. They pay stupid prices for their guns as usual and… and this made me laugh… can buy an Icon of Khorne. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s hilarious.

I’ve been over Oblits.

Chaos Predator with 3 Lascannons costs 20 points more than the old version. It’s not a better shot, it’s no more mobile, and it’s no more durable. Nothing’s changed, much like GW’s writing abilities. Oh, you can get Possession and lose a point of Ballistic Skill if you like. Good one Gav.

Vindi is 125. Possession makes it 145. Bring on the trios of Vindis!

Defiler is 150. No more indirect. Bad statline, more CCWs. What a waste. Seriously, who honestly thought that giving the Defiler a few extra attacks and Fleet yet keeping the Defiler at WS3 would make it into a HTH monster? It misses MEQs half the damn time. How is that useful?

Land Raider is still 40 points too expensive. Possessing it might be a good idea, as you don’t lose to much – all the guns are twin-linked anyway.

And the less said about Generic Daemons the better.

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This is the summary page. I only mention this as it contains the full credits at the bottom. It has a few interesting things.

 

Written By: Gav Thorpe
Additional Text: Alessio Cavatore

What’s that? Alessio did ‘additional text’. What does that mean? I guess he showed up at the office each day, and between his half an hour coffee break and 3 hour lunch he looked over Gav’s shoulder, shook his head and thought to himself ‘Maybe I’ll fix it before we go to print… or maybe I’ll just take a 4 hour lunch today’.

The other interesting thing about the credits is not something that’s written there, but something that’s not written there. What’s missing?


Jervis’ name.


He’s not even mentioned in the special thanks section. Actually, I assume the special thanks section is Gav saying thankyou to all those people for not firing him years ago after he wrote the 3^rd Ed Blood Angel Codex.

So yeah, Jervis is actually not mentioned at all in this book. Funny how things happen.


Conclusion:

I titled this review ‘An Exercise in Futility’ not so much because of the content of this particular Codex, but more as a commentary on GW at the moment. What we all have to realise is that despite the good rules in this Codex, and despite the ‘fun’ fluff that I enjoyed quite a bit, nothing we do or say will make GW change their current trend.

Options will vanish. Variety will go out the window. Entire armies will be invalidated or heavily nerfed, all despite the long-forgotten promises before 4^th Ed that ‘nothing would change’. And we can’t do squat about it… sorry… I mentioned Squats. Pun… let’s say that was intended.

Think of this part of 40K’s development history as the Ecclesiarchy’s Reign of Blood. Maybe Rick Priestly will come back to play out the role of Sebastian Thor to Jervis’ Lord Vandire. We can only hope!!!

So your three options are keep playing, stop playing, or do what our group has done and re-write 40K to make it into a game we have fun playing.

As for this Codex, well, as I said, it’s a train wreck. It’s so full of… blandness… that it makes me sad. The Legions are gone – in fact, they’re hardly mentioned. The Horus Heresy plays a supporting role in this Chaos Codex. The Daemons are an insult. The points costs don’t make sense. The list itself is dull.

We spent a lot of time making fun of Pete Haines, but the truth is I miss him. He might have demonstrated the subtlety of an Imperator Titan when he made his personal Iron Warrior army awesome and 1KSons suck, but he made a Codex that we all enjoyed. Yes, it could be abused. Yes, it was near impossible to balance. But damn it, it was fun. Having a page of tiny, 3-columned text for the Wargear section was fun. Having all those options and all those Legions was fun.

This new Codex isn’t fun, and truly fun is what 40K is about. If a Codex is no fun, it is a failure.

Lord Vandire – you have failed.

BYE

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear I remember the crew at GW saying at the time of the 3rd ed Chaos Codex Mk. 2, that they were totally going away from random effects on Chaos Troops....

Now If I, who have the memory of a gnat can remember that, what the hell happened to the Dev. Team? It failed in 3rd ed with the first Chaos Codex and now they think it's a good idea?

I really suspect that they'll be doing a full rework of Chaos like they did in 3rd ed.

Great review HBMC. Much thanks.

So here's a theory. Let's say this is not just the vanilla-ing of Chaos (and Dark Angels, Blood Angels etc.). What if Jervis heard the outcry of "cheesy MEqs" and this is the beginning of his attempt to tone down anything in power armor? I suppose we won't have that question answered until Orks come out and we get a feel for them, but since all of the Xenos armies so far are competitive, one wonders if this is not just the elimination of choices, but an actual attempt to de-emphasize Space Marines (without saying that, as it would just peeve off everyone)?

Exalt HBMC, great review.  These are all the things I've been arguing with my gaming group for the last couple months.  Some of them actually like the reduction in "complexity."  I can't remember where I read it, but someone put it best when they said that 40k was going from a DIY army to an army the studio wants you to play.  That is not what 40k was, nor what it should be!

BOOOOOO!!!

After reading the review all I can say is Waah waah waah waah. Oh ya get over it the chaos codexs is finally not the uber codex of doom I can't wait for the space marines to recieve the same then we can have a tournament system that doesn't need a comp section to reign in the people who always try to abuse the rules. Hell it might even be fun to go to the G.T again instead of the complete waste of $125.

Okay, imagine if they took all the Eldar Aspects and Guardian based troops and grouped them into "greater eldar" and "lesser eldar."  You'd have fits (if you played Eldar).  The demon thing is just disgusting.  Unacceptable.


And I never even really played Chaos.

Posted By vhwolf on 08/13/2007 6:35 PM
After reading the review all I can say is Waah waah waah waah. Oh ya get over it the chaos codexs is finally not the uber codex of doom

There's a problem with the above statement, becuase you said you read the review. This is clearly a lie as I did not complain at all about Chaos 'losing power'.. What I complained about was Chaos losing its Chaotic nature.

Furthermore, are you saying that you don't have a problem with people's entire armies being invalidated as the Legion rules don't exist, or that you're fine with my Screamers having the same rules as your Nurglings?

BYE

Posted By Mithrax on 08/13/2007 5:58 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear I remember the crew at GW saying at the time of the 3rd ed Chaos Codex Mk. 2, that they were totally going away from random effects on Chaos Troops....

Now If I, who have the memory of a gnat can remember that, what the hell happened to the Dev. Team? It failed in 3rd ed with the first Chaos Codex and now they think it's a good idea?

I really suspect that they'll be doing a full rework of Chaos like they did in 3rd ed.

The 3.5 Codex was written by Haines and Hoare.
The 3.0 Codex was written by Jervis, who just happens to now be head of 40k, so he just went back and undid those changes.

Jervis doesn't much care for the opinions of others, something he's admitted.

Nice review, HBMC. I guess I'll do what I was planning to do anyway, read the fluff in the store and leave the book on the shelf.

Claws of Lorek... brilliant.

I guess I'll just wait for Apocalypse. Good review, half brother.

Posted By Pariah Press on 08/13/2007 6:54 PM
Nice review, HBMC. I guess I'll do what I was planning to do anyway, read the fluff in the store and leave the book on the shelf.

Apparently I'll be doing the same thing.

It's a shame... a damn shame!

I have an idea for GW to consider:

Every time you a*$%&*)s release a Codex, also release a companion product, perhaps just a postcard sized thing with the cover art of the Codex on it, which I can purchase to represent the fact that I hate your slowed games designers, and want them to be shot in the face. What I'm getting at here is that not spending money on your lame excuses for rules is not enough. Boycotting is not enough. I would like to actually spend money to voice my loathing for you as rules authors and as human beings.

I mean, seriously. SERIOUSLY. Stop being so goddamn awful.

Really that makes no sense.

I think I'm just getting terribly confused by it all. I've put a lot of my time and energy into the GW hobby. I've given them tons of my money. Watching them fail so obviously, in a fashion that seems almost inentional... It's hard to stomach. I literally want to fight them.

Yeah, that's what it is! I would like GW to sell a companion product, which, if purchased, entitles me to fight Thorpe or Johnson. A real fistfight. They have to show up, they can give it their all, but it's not over until somebody is unconscious. And Jervis's kid has to watch. If he's confused, he can even have a black and white picture of my fist, so he can understand what the angry American is using to crush his father's eyesocket.

I'm serious GW. This is the money making secret you've been looking for. Nobody is going to continue paying for the work of these retardeds if it's in the form of rules. But I can promise you, lots of people will pay top dollar to stomp on Gavin Thorpe's crotch.

It's friggin genius.

Eldar got similar treatment when their codex was redone.

Craftworlds gone. Legions gone.
10 man squad to have a heavy weapon.

I would consider aspect more like cult troops, and at least in chaos they are troops, not elites/heavy/fast.

It's not like you have "greater chaos marines" and "lesser chaos marines" which is what would be more like what you were saying about aspect warriors/guardians.

good review, dude

don't forget, "they're not a rules company, they're a miniatures company"

I know.  You're right on a more macro level.  I was just trying to put up a quick example.  They should have gotten rid of all demons and promised a cross-over demon book within a year, like they did with fantasy.  Like HBMC said, screamers =/= nurglings.  Half-@$$ing it, like GW has taken up in the last few releases, is not a viable solution.

Thank you for the amusing read. (Mmm, vitriol!) But what is up with the text editor? There are several places where lines are superimposed on each other, with the result that none are readable.

Thanks for taking the time to write that up.  At least I can tell you went into the dex with an open mind and no bias .

Seriously though, the complaints I've seen boil down to two things; Vet options and HQ options.  10 men for a heavy, that's a balance issue regardless of fluff and the loyalists you compare to are getting theirs soon. 

Honestly however, I don't believe it has much to do about the "chaotic" nature of chaos and moreso the uber characters of doom (Barring Aba) and vets. 

As an example, you state when speaking about chaos in general the marks are dull as they've lost the interesting rules such as true grit, blood rage, etc.  Yet later, you state that Zerks are actually decent now as they've lost that "idiotic blood rage".  Well as a Zerk player, I can tell you without a doubt there was little interesting about blood rage and I would agree with your later statement of idiotic.  Yes, the first few games with them it was humurous as they went crazy and jumped out of rhinos.  After a few more games, it quickly loses its appeal and becomes rather annoying.

As another example, a great deal of people are knocking the new possessed.  Well, they are chaotic in nature since you don't know what you will get.

Regardless, I appreciate the review and agree with some of it.  I can swallow my bile regarding demons since confirmation of a demon dex.

Great review. I'm $21.00 richer now.

Posted By AgeOfEgos on 08/13/2007 8:08 PM

As another example, a great deal of people are knocking the new possessed.  Well, they are chaotic in nature since you don't know what you will get.

So dumb. I can't think of anything to say other than "what?"

I've tried for five minutes. I just can't.

Thanks H.B.M.C,

Top review. I'ld have been laughing if it wasn't so damn depressing.

I think this says 2 things about GW...firstly that they're aiming to dumb down 40K so far that it isn't funny, and secondly that they are getting some bad advice from somewhere.

The day Jervis bred might have been the beginning of the end for WH 40000...

Ah well, saved me $30.00.  

Posted By efarrer on 08/13/2007 8:22 PM

Posted By AgeOfEgos on 08/13/2007 8:08 PM

As another example, a great deal of people are knocking the new possessed.  Well, they are chaotic in nature since you don't know what you will get.

So dumb. I can't think of anything to say other than "what?"

I've tried for five minutes. I just can't.

Can't never did anything.  I know you can do it and I'll attempt to help.

Sarcasm:  Harsh or bitter derision or irony.

Chaotic:  A condition or place of disorder.

Some (Not directed soley at HB) state that chaos is no longer chaotic.  The same group will perhaps complain that possessed are useless since they receive random powers.  So it's harsh irony complaining about possessed...which are actually the very thing they bemoan the dex lacks.

As I stated in my post, a better complaint would be the dex lacks vet/HQ options.  The units do distinguish themselves from each other but with simplified stat changes as compared to previous rule changes. 

As a sidenote, perhaps a moment of curiosity, do rule changes really effect people this deeply or is this internet drama?  Hell the guys I play with...we change rules on a consistent basis as HBs group seems to do.  The only thing that really effects me when a new dex rolls out is how it will effect future/new models for me to paint.  Of course, I don't frequent tournaments monthly either so perhaps I'm out of the loop.  Even then, everything seems to be moving to the middle of the beach so I would suspect it will actually make tournament results more on par.  *Shrug*, I'm not that competitive though so I don't know.

People only want to be slightly Chaotic. 4 heavy support choices and Siren Princes are fluffy, but random possessed?... Whoa there, that's too Chaotic for me.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

QFT!!


When we say chaotic, we mean antagonists who sow disorder. NOT random.

 

Good review by the way. It seemed as objective as you could be. The demon section, or lack there of, is reason enough to ignore this codex. Thanks for saving me my $$.

That had to be the most biased review I had ever seen.  In theory when someone does a review, they do it with an open mind and try to point out both good and bad.  This was nothing except specific negativity.  The first two paragraphs are nothing except insults.

The marks are called a gross 'oversimplification'.  Okay, everyone hated blood rage, because it made the khorne army play itself.  As for Nurgle marines losing true grit, they got BETTER.  THey have bolter, bolt pistol and close combat weapon, which is much better than true grit.  You'd rather have a stupid special rule that's worse than a simpler way of doing the exact same thing?  Because doing +1 initiative with warp scream was so much better? That makes no sense. 

Someone else pointed out that you wanted more "chaotic", well, possessed got more " chaotic".  Oh, I see, what you really meant to say was chaotic and overpowered.  Or you want consistency, which is hardly "chaotic" or random. 

I also like how you think the sonic blaster is overpriced.  It's not just a few more bolter shots.  It's the ability to move and shoot 24", or have 3 shots at 24" if you don't move, which is THREE times the number of shots of a bolter. 

<Rolls eyes> nevermind that the land raider is much cheaper. 

As for options...I called the old chaos codex a cesspool of crap.  There were so many stupid extra upgrades and special rules that you could make a broken list completely unintentionally.  On top of that taking thousand sons to a tournament was a nightmare because no one understood how the rules worked.  You need to know majority armor, majority toughness, multiple wounds, how to do scoring with units of different wounds, slow and purposeful, rubric vs. non rubric, psycher, and a billion other things that simply caused lots and lots of rules arguments.  The tiny, 3 columned text for the Wargear section was only fun for the power gamers.  I don't think you understand the first idea of game balance or game design if you believe that a billion options is good for a game.  It might be fun for YOU, but it isn't fun to the other person on the other side of the board. 

It's obvious you ran into this codex with bias, looking for every single thing you didn't like so you could complain loudly to the message board.  That review was nothing more than an opinionated rant...you say the legions are gone...but if you want to play emperor's children the noise marines are still in there. 

Posted By Ozymandias on 08/13/2007 8:45 PM
People only want to be slightly Chaotic. 4 heavy support choices and Siren Princes are fluffy, but random possessed?... Whoa there, that's too Chaotic for me.

Christ you people $#!t me.

This isn't about Siren Princes and IW Heavy Support slots you idiot. Get your head out of your donkey cannon for a few seconds and read what I actually wrote.

Did I spent 6 pages lamenting that I could no longer take 4 Defilers? Did I complain that my Siren Prince and Siren Keeper can no longer trash entire armies?

NO!

I talking about how GW's attempts to make the Defiler into a HTH monster failed because they gave it the same HTH prowess as a Guardsman. I talked about how the generic Daemons are an insult to Chaos players.

When will you Ozy, and people like you, take your fingers out of your God-Damned ears and realise that NO ONE has talking about lamenting the loss of Siren Princes and super-powerful abused lists other than YOURSELVES.

And it's called a STRAWMAN ATTACK. You're putting words into our mouths and then calling us on things we didn't even say. Cut it out.

Finally, Chaos =/= Random. Chaos = corruption. It's cutting your arm and mice coming out rather than blood. It's cheese and anvils falling from the sky. It's not a D6 table to find out if your 26 point Possessed are going to do anything this game.

BYE

I think what you really want to say and completely failed at doing so was that you want variety and balanced options in a codex.  Variety is the spice of life...without it, everything looks exactly the same. 

I certainly agree that the codex dropped the ball in a lot of places.  For instance, there's one section where you can take a plasma pistol for more than a meltagun.  Normally you'd say, hey, you get an extra attack with a close combat weapon with the pistol.  However, you keep bolt pistol and close combat weapon with the meltagun, so there is no reason to ever take the plasma pistol that costs more points and is crappier in every way.  (Except against the Eldar Avatar, of course).  Or if you don't move and want to shoot twice. 

I certainly agree with Demons being removed...either do it right or not at all. 

I certainly agree with the Defiler being overpriced and junky at over 150 points. 

However, the more options you have the more difficult it is to make every single option viable and balanced both within the codex and compared to other codecies.  If GW had taken out the must take demon gifts like demonic strength and demonic mutation and left in a bunch of essentially worthless upgrades, would you really be happy with that?  Somehow i don't think so...

Finally, Chaos =/= Random. Chaos = corruption. It's cutting your arm and mice coming out rather than blood. It's cheese and anvils falling from the sky.

Is that the line they gave when they were promoting WAR, or is
that a generic Chaos thing or from a rulebook somewhere?

I never said it wouldn't be. If it wasn't clear what my opinion of the Codex was after the first paragraph, then you're not paying attention. Furthermore, anyone here who knows me knows it was going to be biased.

And speaking of not paying attention...



It doesn't matter whether its better or worse than it was before, it's a matter of it becoming dull. Everything gets standardised and options dissapear. It doesn't matter if, overall, the unit is more powerful, it's a boring unit to use.



Random is not another word for Chaos.



It took you three paragraphs to hit me with a strawman. It's at this point your opinion becomes meaningless as you have made it clear that you are incapable of mounting a real argument without putting words into my mouth.

Do me a favour, read the review again, look at what I'm complaining about. I'm not talking at all about power. I even say that things have gotten more powerful. I even say I like a lot of what's in there (mostly the fluff). I'm not complaining about losing power. I'm complaining about losing interest.

Though, perhaps 'review' wasn't the best way of putting it. Maybe deconstruction would have been more accurate.

BYE

This is a codex i'll be skipping. I'll wait for the deamon one. Though no armor save for spawn means I a will not be buying that tide of mutation boxed set. See GW, your lousy rules just lost you over $100.

ender502

GW releases the trainwreck known as the chaos codex, PP announces two new expansions....heh.