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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And here’s a quote from the original that I hope still carries meaning!

The arming of Titans must, by necessity, always be a compromise. To gain long range you must sacrifice firepower, and vice versa. You must approach this decision at two levels.
Firstly the level of the individual Titan. Consider carefully what it must achieve and how its armament will affect its ability to fulfil its objective.

Secondly, the level of the force itself: this may be the Legion as a whole or a battle group on a particular mission. Never forget that a Titan force is a team - a single body, and may have specialised members designed for specific tasks.

Meditate on the subject if you feel the need, or consult the Imperial Tarot. The decision is important, so do not take it lightly.
- De Bellis Titanicus, attributed

GW rapidly made that quote go out the window in the past as ever more options and Titans got released. Eventually there was a set of optimized weapon choices combining the best of range, armor penetration, and number of shots. I hope they do a better job this time.

Do I recall a rumor that the models had magnet holes in them already? Is it a thing to swap out weapon loadouts?

 ph34r wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Is "Grendel-class" an actual 40k-universe titan size? Googling it came up empty for me...

Never heard of that myself. Maybe the person just speculating on "what would be a really big thing" name.

Yeah, made-up class ... but it does seem cool (well, to me, at least).

Chopxsticks wrote:
Do I recall a rumor that the models had magnet holes in them already? Is it a thing to swap out weapon loadouts?

That is confirmed, yes, for that very purpose. Can't recall the exact size now, but it was reasonable and easy to use.

 Sherrypie wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Do I recall a rumor that the models had magnet holes in them already? Is it a thing to swap out weapon loadouts?

That is confirmed, yes, for that very purpose. Can't recall the exact size now, but it was reasonable and easy to use.

5x1mm disc magnet holes, says the grapevine. An odd choice I think but certainly workable. This applies to carapace weapons and possibly Warlord main weapons only: Reaver main weapons are on ball-and-socket joints and not pre-fitted for magnets. Even so it should be little challenge for someone with a decent vice drill and some 3x2mm or so magnets. Warhounds are unknown as of yet.

Imperator titan - not likely, according to Owen Barnes. Using an Imperator would be the equivalent of fielding a battle titan in a 40k game. For the foreseeable future, the Warlord is intended to be the largest unit in the game (although not necessarily the only unit that size; there's mention in some of the Horus heresy books of other classes of battle titan; the Nightgaunt, Eclipse, Deathbringer and Nemesis used to be configurations of the Warlord chassis; some or all of them may become different units in the future).

One suggestion for the introduction of alien titans would be that a hypothetical "Adeptus Titanicus: The Beast Arises" supplement would add Orks, and "AT: Dirty Eldar Bastards" would add them, etc. Similar to how Epic Armageddon was firmly focussed on the War on Armageddon, then the Swordwind expansion looked at a different conflict and added Imperial Guard siege regiments, Craftworld Eldar and Feral Orks.

No plans for a digital rulebook (they're of the opinion that you need all the other bits and pieces in the rules pack anyway), but they're not ruling out some sort of app in the future, if there's development time available.

Seems to me that is going to be challenging to manage the hobby aspect of this initially.

Even with magnets, it's going to be interesting to figure out what options to model onto the initial release of Titans and what to leave open for later.

Personally I think things like Imperators and Xeno's are "not/never/may" happen because the don't want to be on record committing to making one when they don't know how the product is going to sell yet.

So I think Imperators WILL come IF it sells like mad. If it makes modest sales or its sales drop off fast or if it never takes off then they can end it with what they've got out now as a finished, just not viable long term project. If it does well I fully expect to see them advance it to the Heresy and see Chaos titans appear, both as parts upgrades and as full knights and titans (back in old Epic there were some cool Slaanesh knight scaled monsters). From there if it continued to do well I'd fully expect to see Ork, Eldar and Tyranid titan units appearing in the game.

Heck it if kept selling strong I'd wager we could see Dark Eldar, Necron and even Tau war engines appear in the game (in fact of all the current races Dark Eldar are the most likely to not end up with a titan scale unit, being as outside of sticking spikes on an Eldar one, they've never had one in any form*)


*Granted part of that is that Forgeworld appears to hate them/dislike them as all they've got is one upgrade kit and one single model. Tau on the other hand have several big knight sized war engines.

Andy Hoare did say he'd like to do the Imperial "precursor" vehicles that became the Slaaneshi scout titans.

Also keep in mind that the Horus Heresy books by Forge World have hinted at other types of Titans as well...

Yeah you don't make a game called Titanicus without planning at some point to produce the biggest warmachines produced by the imperium....

That being said though I appreciate them not making wild promises and saying that basically everything you could imagine is in the pipeline at some point. Even if the game is massively successful, the other specialist games have shown us that anything major like an Imperator would be a couple of years down the line at the absolute minimum.

I'd love to see some new versions of knights and titans that we haven't seen before as well! Given the scale even if they are in resin they "shouldn't" be too prohibitively expensive.

Also looking forward to some of the inevitable kits that come out of Shapeways, they are usually a good source for obscure conversion kits that FW would never have the time to produce.

I was really hoping for Cerastus Knights - they’d be so perfect at this scale!

I wonder if they'll be sturdy enough in resin if FW decides to do them...

 RiTides wrote:
I was really hoping for Cerastus Knights - they’d be so perfect at this scale!

I wonder if they'll be sturdy enough in resin if FW decides to do them...

At the open day I was told that Cerastus and Acastus are in the works when I asked if they were planning on doing other knights.

Essentially I asked about other knights, and the guy said the forge world ones were planned and specified those two, probably to differentiate and thus say there’s not current plans for Armigers and dominus.

(Personally, I think a single base with a lance of Armigers on it would be cool, like a 40k swarm unit)

I was told they weren't sure if the Dominus would be suitable for AT, as quite a few of its weapon systems would be irrelevant (the shoulder-mounted cannons, for example). I wouldn't rule them out, but I expect we'll see the Forge World-designed chassis first.

Yeah, there's no doubt that GW/FW will eventually get around to making all of the Titan and Knight variants for AT.

If, you know, AT sells well.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I was told they weren't sure if the Dominus would be suitable for AT, as quite a few of its weapon systems would be irrelevant (the shoulder-mounted cannons, for example). I wouldn't rule them out, but I expect we'll see the Forge World-designed chassis first.

The solution there is to abstract the extra weaponry into a single system that, as a whole rather than individually rolled, does chip damage.

Given that we see the Questoris knights in the box, I suspect they may do the common GW knights like the Dominus before branching into the rare FW stuff.

 Nurglitch wrote:
Given that we see the Questoris knights in the box, I suspect they may do the common GW knights like the Dominus before branching into the rare FW stuff.

The fact that they’ve stated the opposite aside, that’s pretty illogical on the grounds that the dominus and Armigers are brand new, whilst the FW and Specialist Games dept have had Cerastus knights to work with for years.

changemod wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
Given that we see the Questoris knights in the box, I suspect they may do the common GW knights like the Dominus before branching into the rare FW stuff.

The fact that they’ve stated the opposite aside, that’s pretty illogical on the grounds that the dominus and Armigers are brand new, whilst the FW and Specialist Games dept have had Cerastus knights to work with for years.

Facts and logic are over-rated! Just kidding, good point. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the chickens actually hatch.

Most of GW’S work is digital sculpting these days, so my guess is it would be easier for them to rescale recent kits more so than older kits - I’m not sure if FW itself is using digital sculpts these days for its kits.

They are. The Cerastus Knight-Atrapos is definitely digitally-sculpted, not sure about the others.

The Acheron too; remember when it was originally previewed at about 60% of its released size?

Can't wait to see the Reviler Titan (sized between a Warhound and heavy Knight, armed with an Inferno Cannon), the Carnivore, Maines, and Mirage (heavy battle titan) Titan classes as well!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
They are. The Cerastus Knight-Atrapos is definitely digitally-sculpted, not sure about the others.

I think the Atrapos is the best looking one of the lot.

The imperator would be cool but they should focus on getting the "normal" ones out first. The dominus stuff will be interesting if they can get the loadouts right(maybe new types).

I'm hoping the cerastus knights end up in plastic, maybe 2 per box. Keeping the chassis plastic will help these be less expensive and easier to obtain than resin from FW. I have very little interest in seeing armigers though.

Armigers would be the grots of AT, methinks.

I really hope this game sells well, thus warranting all sorts of supplemental toys!

(I'm going to do my part in that!)

The quality of the models is such that I, a person who was never really into Titans and stuff before, am gonna be hard tempted to pick up some little knights. Getting the big box is probably too much for me despite that warlord looking amazing...

Rescaling 3d files is largely a myth, while it might be a time saver in terms of the basc shape and geometry of the model, all of the details still need to be resculpted manually as they need to be exaggerated in order for them to be rendered appropriately for production. Most of the details on the 40k scale models (things like rivets, etc) need to be removed entirely because they are below the threshold of what can be rendered at this scale.

I believe one of the GW sculptors confirmed as much at one of the open days and said thst all the AT minis are being sculpted from scratch.

 Stormonu wrote:
Armigers would be the grots of AT, methinks.

Armigers could come in say 6 packs, with 2 on a base.