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The_Real_Chris wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
More than the 29% 1s that has been empirically proven to be average for 12mm round corner dice?


I thought it was more like 18.9% or similar for hollowed out round corner dice? But they might not have been the small dice which would affect things more.


Actually I remember reading that article a while back and thinking they must have had a dud batch of dice or some sort of biased rolling method, because when I did a test with my own dice (this was years ago, not the Eldar AI dice I have now) I got the following statistics, where the x-axis is the number of rolls and the y-axis is the proportion of times a given result of 1 to 6 came up. My dice were actually biased towards 6 rather than 1 on average.



But yeah, I haven't done any similar test with the Eldar AI dice, I was just playing with them and seemed to have terrible luck which made me think maybe they were biased Maybe if I have a few spare hours one day I'll do the same test and see what comes up, lol.

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My copy of Wraith of Angels finally turned up!

Got to say the models look absolutely gorgeous, the rule book is nice...just a shame that it isn't the full rules (enough for what is in the box).

One thing that struck me as odd was that there are rules for a Space Marine Fire Raptor yet the Storm Raven doesn't have parts to make it into a Fire Raptor. Looks like only a small difference between the two, so might just be a single accessory sprue in the future. I bet it is released when the Thunderhawk is released.

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 stonehorse wrote:
My copy of Wraith of Angels finally turned up!

Got to say the models look absolutely gorgeous, the rule book is nice...just a shame that it isn't the full rules (enough for what is in the box).

One thing that struck me as odd was that there are rules for a Space Marine Fire Raptor yet the Storm Raven doesn't have parts to make it into a Fire Raptor. Looks like only a small difference between the two, so might just be a single accessory sprue in the future. I bet it is released when the Thunderhawk is released.

Must have been a slow order to take so long! My Kill Team took 2 weeks to arrive, but I got my AI the day after release (delivered on a Sunday).

For the Fire Raptor, I'm guessing either an add on sprue (and a price bump to go with it) or something we haven't seen yet in AI, a partially plastic and partially resin kit from FW.

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It'll be a wholly new plastic kit in my opinion. The side guns are recessed into the fuselage and the Storm Raven doesn't have the fixtures for that

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
My copy of Wraith of Angels finally turned up!

Got to say the models look absolutely gorgeous, the rule book is nice...just a shame that it isn't the full rules (enough for what is in the box).

One thing that struck me as odd was that there are rules for a Space Marine Fire Raptor yet the Storm Raven doesn't have parts to make it into a Fire Raptor. Looks like only a small difference between the two, so might just be a single accessory sprue in the future. I bet it is released when the Thunderhawk is released.

Must have been a slow order to take so long! My Kill Team took 2 weeks to arrive, but I got my AI the day after release (delivered on a Sunday).

For the Fire Raptor, I'm guessing either an add on sprue (and a price bump to go with it) or something we haven't seen yet in AI, a partially plastic and partially resin kit from FW.


I ordered in advance of release as well. Ireland is a very short trip to the England, so not sure what took so long.

 zedmeister wrote:
It'll be a wholly new plastic kit in my opinion. The side guns are recessed into the fuselage and the Storm Raven doesn't have the fixtures for that


Would be too expensive to cut a whole new plastic kit for what amounts to a current plane just missing the missile pods, a few guns on the side, and a different set of front guns. I think there is enough room on the sides for the side guns to be attached.

Still, will be nice to see it released, seems to have some serious firepower.

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 zedmeister wrote:
It'll be a wholly new plastic kit in my opinion. The side guns are recessed into the fuselage and the Storm Raven doesn't have the fixtures for that


The sides of the fuselage are separate parts though. They could just have an add on sprue (or resin upgrade) that replaces the entire side of the Storm Eagle.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
It'll be a wholly new plastic kit in my opinion. The side guns are recessed into the fuselage and the Storm Raven doesn't have the fixtures for that


The sides of the fuselage are separate parts though. They could just have an add on sprue (or resin upgrade) that replaces the entire side of the Storm Eagle.


The Marauders they split some of the parts out to a separate sprue to swap for the different builds.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
It'll be a wholly new plastic kit in my opinion. The side guns are recessed into the fuselage and the Storm Raven doesn't have the fixtures for that


The sides of the fuselage are separate parts though. They could just have an add on sprue (or resin upgrade) that replaces the entire side of the Storm Eagle.


The Marauders they split some of the parts out to a separate sprue to swap for the different builds.


Yeah, I had expected the Storm Eagle to be the same but it seems they've jammed it all on to a single sprue. I'm still going to guess that the Fire Raptor will use the plastic Storm Eagle as a base model and replace the sides with either another plastic sprue or resin parts from FW.

I feel like maybe the reason they didn't do it the same way they did the Marauders was to save themselves manufacturing an extra sprue. So if they split some parts off onto a separate sprue, the Storm Eagle would require 2 sprues and the Fire Raptor would require 2 sprues, meaning 3 sprues in total. But doing it this way, they can get away with only 1 sprue for the Storm Eagle and 2 sprues (or 1 sprue + resin) for the Fire Raptor and bump up the price even higher for it.

   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, I had expected the Storm Eagle to be the same but it seems they've jammed it all on to a single sprue. I'm still going to guess that the Fire Raptor will use the plastic Storm Eagle as a base model and replace the sides with either another plastic sprue or resin parts from FW.

You may be right but I feel there's just too much that needs to be replaced to use any sort of hybrid method.

My thinking is that if the Fire Raptor is a FW release, you'll get it as a fully resin kit. The fuselage will be one piece with some bits to glue on, probably the wings and some weapons.

If it's a SG release, it will most likely be a new plastic sprue that makes a complete Fire Raptor not an add-on sprue as that would drive the cost up.


 
   
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 Breotan wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, I had expected the Storm Eagle to be the same but it seems they've jammed it all on to a single sprue. I'm still going to guess that the Fire Raptor will use the plastic Storm Eagle as a base model and replace the sides with either another plastic sprue or resin parts from FW.

You may be right but I feel there's just too much that needs to be replaced to use any sort of hybrid method.

My thinking is that if the Fire Raptor is a FW release, you'll get it as a fully resin kit. The fuselage will be one piece with some bits to glue on, probably the wings and some weapons.
Yeah perhaps, we might just see a whole resin Fire Raptor that doesn't use any existing parts.

If it's a SG release, it will most likely be a new plastic sprue that makes a complete Fire Raptor not an add-on sprue as that would drive the cost up.



This is GW we're talking about, I don't think they worry too much about bumping the price up

But yeah, maybe. My thought would be they'd do an add-on which is a smaller sprue to keep down their machining costs, but perhaps their machining costs are less significant than their casting costs in which case it'd make more sense to have an entirely new larger sprue rather than a smaller add on sprue.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Fire Rapror question is answered next week - oh, and we can stop the clock on the plastic Thunderhawk.


Well, no, since this Thunderhawk is Watch sized. The clock continues!
   
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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Fire Rapror question is answered next week - oh, and we can stop the clock on the plastic Thunderhawk.


Nice, I think I am starting to prefer the Fire Raptor to the Thunderhawk.

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I guess this is another nail in the coffin in terms of getting an Eldar Vampire or a campaign book this time round.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I guess this is another nail in the coffin in terms of getting an Eldar Vampire or a campaign book this time round.


Campaign book...yeah. Since they keep pushing for the previous two.

As for the vampire, since I expect it to be a FW release, all hope isn't lost yet. Just roll a D6+D3 for the number of year before it's previewed on Warhammer Community.
   
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How many folks don't attach the missiles to their ships, and just keep count of them on the record sheet?

I picked up some of the models, and after thinking about it, will probably leave the missiles off. I mean, I don't think anyone removes them from their model after they're actually fired, so it wouldn't be WYSIWYG anyways...

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 Stormonu wrote:
How many folks don't attach the missiles to their ships, and just keep count of them on the record sheet?

I picked up some of the models, and after thinking about it, will probably leave the missiles off. I mean, I don't think anyone removes them from their model after they're actually fired, so it wouldn't be WYSIWYG anyways...

I think it’s mostly that nobody cares about the correct missile loadout and people just glue on what looks cool. My Navy planes have more missiles and bombs than I would be happy to spend points on.
   
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They probably use the old FW aircraft as they only need to re-size the files to get them to the new scale.

Here's hoping for the Hellblades, HellTalon, and Harbinger; the greatest AI aircraft of them all!

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 Easy E wrote:
They probably use the old FW aircraft as they only need to re-size the files to get them to the new scale.

Here's hoping for the Hellblades, HellTalon, and Harbinger; the greatest AI aircraft of them all!


The old models don't exist in CAD form, they would have to digitally create them.
   
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yes, not just that but GW/FW sculptors have explained in the past that that is not how digital sculpting works and they have to recreate 90%+ of the models from scratch at each different scale.

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 Stormonu wrote:
How many folks don't attach the missiles to their ships, and just keep count of them on the record sheet?

I picked up some of the models, and after thinking about it, will probably leave the missiles off. I mean, I don't think anyone removes them from their model after they're actually fired, so it wouldn't be WYSIWYG anyways...


I think people who play the current AI use rather the "rule of cool" and build them with missiles if it looks good to them.

Missiles are usually not worth their cost in points in the game, anyway.


At least with the recent Space Marine and Eldar aircrafts, the question doesn't need to be asked (there's nothing to put under their wings, it's all generic with the exception of the Phoenix that has a single variant barely visible).
   
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Ok, people - what's the guess on the price of an individual plastic Thunderhawk (as I'm assuming there won't be two in the box)?

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 Dysartes wrote:
Ok, people - what's the guess on the price of an individual plastic Thunderhawk (as I'm assuming there won't be two in the box)?


£26 from GW direct I reckon
   
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Anyone know why the thunderhawk is two cards wide? Haven’t got the book.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Anyone know why the thunderhawk is two cards wide? Haven’t got the book.


There are no rules for the Thunderhawk in Wrath of Angels book.
   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Anyone know why the thunderhawk is two cards wide? Haven’t got the book.


What do you mean "two cards wide"? Did I miss something (again)?
   
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Price in USD is $42, same price as basically every other kit in the AI product range.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Anyone know why the thunderhawk is two cards wide? Haven’t got the book.


What do you mean "two cards wide"? Did I miss something (again)?

The Aircraft and Aces card set for the Marines has eight Thunderhawk cards but they have two designs; one with just the picture and one with just the stats. I assumed they were to be played together, possibly meaning you had twice as many slots for upgrades.

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