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Wonder if that means that the additional "kill team" sprues for krieg and tau will also not have any 40k rules then when those codexes drop? Seems only the Orks got the wargear because it was built into the Kommando kit natively
The Krieg ones won't, in all likelihood, because some of the parts feel more like a Command Squad's kit than a "standard" Infantry/Veteran squad. The Grenadier masked demolitions expert, a more complex voxcaster+flares/flaregun and map, the bigger & open medic bag plus the narthecium styled gauntlet, etc.
On the T’au side, the snazzy upgraded Pathfinders can be used as a normal unit in your T’au army. Their kit won’t remain ornamental for long, though – brand new options for Pathfinders will be arriving in an upcoming codex. In fact, Fire Caste commanders among you will be excited to discover that it’s one of the first new codexes coming in 2022.
I was honestly a little disappointed that the ork wargear stuff didn’t translate.
Getting a proper sniper on orks woulda been a laugh, and the comms pistol is pitiful.
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Captain Joystick wrote: Terrain is great if you need it, but an awful waste of space and plastic if you don't.
About that specific point, you are of course correct about the usefulness to the individual, but if you were to remove the terrain (and board since that's not going to do you much good without terrain) there's not much left of the box. Two squads and an expansion book might as well not be bundled together and can just be sold separately, which is going to with the squads eventually.
We may not need the terrain (I'd have a use for it personally, others may not), but for GW it's an important part to make it fit the appearance of their usual big boxes.
That's a good thing. You don't actually want 10 different profiles in a 10 man squad in an army scale game.
That's... not a bad point.
I don't know. They could allow one or two special options in place of an equal number of the existing options. Would you rather have a choppy squad? Toss the flamer and get an eviscerator. But you have to chose one or the other. Inspiration is good, but resurrecting your squad mates is better? Get a narthecium instead of a banner. That kind of thing.
But as you in my opinion so accurately speculated, an eventual 40k release of the squad simply won't have the added sprue. With no model, no rules they can't just add any of the options on the upgrade sprue to the datasheet.
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TBH for a "low tier " troop option they have a reasonable amount of options. 2 for the sargeants, 2 special weapons, 2 special equipement and two basic options for each sister. Thats good enough in my book.
Let the rest of the bits to customize other kits or characters.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
If you're wondering what all those fancy upgrades and extra doodads - Evsicerator, Condemnor Bolter, the medic, double whips, the big-ass mace, etc. - do for Novitiates, well let me tell you:
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
They're not 40k options. KT only it seems.
As annoying as 'no model, no rules' is, 'model, but no rules' is still way more baffling.
Umm…I think you guys miss the scale of games. 40K is a squad based games and each unit has a couple of upgrades. Kill Team is a model based game and well each model can be upgraded. Reminds me of the complaints of Epic 40K not having every variant of Predator missing the idea of scale.
Chairman Aeon wrote: Umm…I think you guys miss the scale of games. 40K is a squad based games and each unit has a couple of upgrades. Kill Team is a model based game and well each model can be upgraded. Reminds me of the complaints of Epic 40K not having every variant of Predator missing the idea of scale.
Yes, you don't need every model to be upgradable in 40K, but you could have couple of models in the squad that can take any of the items that come in the kit.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Actually pleased the rules for the teenage-killer Sisters are free and much better laid out than the codex with points etc all on the same page!
I was expecting them to be a Campaign book unit.
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Mr Morden wrote: Actually pleased the rules for the teenage-killer Sisters are free and much better laid out than the codex with points etc all on the same page!
I was expecting them to be a Campaign book unit.
They still might be. Those books don’t pad themselves.
If you're wondering what all those fancy upgrades and extra doodads - Evsicerator, Condemnor Bolter, the medic, double whips, the big-ass mace, etc. - do for Novitiates, well let me tell you:
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
They're not 40k options. KT only it seems.
As annoying as 'no model, no rules' is, 'model, but no rules' is still way more baffling.
Don't worry, the leader can still take main hand bolter, off hand bolt pistol; main hand sword, off hand bolt pistol; main hand sword, off hand plasma pistol.
What's that? You wanted main hand bolter off hand plasma? Nah that's not in the assembly instructions.
I like the 40k rules for them. 27 attacks with those blades on the charge, which mathhammers out to maybe 1 or 2 dead space marines.
I think they'll be a great screening unit, especially if you can indeed get an extra flamer in there. I'm hoping that their arms are interchangeable with the regular sisters of battle. If so, a lack of 2nd flamer on the kit will be a real non-issue.
lord_blackfang wrote: That's a good thing. You don't actually want 10 different profiles in a 10 man squad in an army scale game.
You mean you don't want another unit entry that looks like this? Sacrilege!
Lord Damocles wrote: You only get one flamer on the basic sprues, but the unit can take two. You also only get the similacrum on the upgrade sprue.
Which makes their options all the more baffling.
Do we have any indication that the there will be two boxes? Because there are are two flamers in the kit, I don't think there is any evidence they plan to sell the "upgrade sprue" as a separate element.
I know they talk about an "upgrade" sprue, but I think it would not make a great deal of sense for GW to have two SKU's for the same kit. The boxes and the packaging and shipments of the kits costs as much as the things we actually want to buy, so having two sets of boxes would be very expensive, as the per unit cost of printing goes down the more you print.
The guard have been released with an upgrade sprue, but they aren't selling those seperately.
It is the same with the Death Korps. They also have an "upgrade kit" but it would make zero sense to sell it as separate. Especially as there are medic components on the normal sprue, but the vox is the "upgrade sprue"/
privateer4hire wrote: “… even the most dedicated KT player isn't going to drop that kind of money on rules every three months...”
They most certainly will. We all probably know someone or several someones who will do just that.
People will spend that if Kill Team is "their game" - the price point, plus the limited use of these models in 40K definitely makes it seem like GW are pushing for KT to be its own thing, not an entry point or side game for 40K.
lord_blackfang wrote: That's a good thing. You don't actually want 10 different profiles in a 10 man squad in an army scale game.
You mean you don't want another unit entry that looks like this? Sacrilege!
Lord Damocles wrote: You only get one flamer on the basic sprues, but the unit can take two. You also only get the similacrum on the upgrade sprue.
Which makes their options all the more baffling.
Do we have any indication that the there will be two boxes? Because there are are two flamers in the kit, I don't think there is any evidence they plan to sell the "upgrade sprue" as a separate element.
I know they talk about an "upgrade" sprue, but I think it would not make a great deal of sense for GW to have two SKU's for the same kit. The boxes and the packaging and shipments of the kits costs as much as the things we actually want to buy, so having two sets of boxes would be very expensive, as the per unit cost of printing goes down the more you print.
The guard have been released with an upgrade sprue, but they aren't selling those seperately.
It is the same with the Death Korps. They also have an "upgrade kit" but it would make zero sense to sell it as separate. Especially as there are medic components on the normal sprue, but the vox is the "upgrade sprue"/
The boxes were shown for the death korps at the GenCon reveal, and they were labelled as veteran guardsmen in killteam packaging (not 40k) which I assume will have the upgrade sprue as it was repeatedly stated all models will be released for Octarius, so I think it will be safe to assume the teenage nunster ninja sisters will also be in killteam boxes with the upgrade sprue also.
Spoiler:
I imagine there could be a slim chance for the death korps that you can buy as veteran guardsmen and eventually buy as standard guardsmen, without the upgrade sprue and it will be in 40k packaging.
I also, totally forgot there is a kill team starter set due out with the DKoK and Orks in it.
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Looks like the new Chalnath teams are getting something in between Kommandos and Vet. Guard in terms of quantity of specialists.
Tau are getting 8 (in addition to standard trooper and leader):
Assault Grenadier
Communications Specialist
Drone Controler
Marksman
Mxxxxx (illegible)
Medical Technician
Transpectral Intxxxxxx (partial guess, rest illegible)
Weapons Expert
Novitiates get 10 (in addition to trooper and superior):
Condemnor (guessing)
Duelist
Exactor
Hospitaler
Oxxxxx (illegible)
Penitent
Pontificus (guessing)
Preceptor
Purgatus
Reliquarian
I wouldn't be surprised if the Noitiates end up in the next Sisters codex whenever that ends up being. After all the BSF Ecclesiarchy models ended up in the most recent codex and their wargear became the default for certain generic models.
Some how the Chalnath box us AUD$290, the same cost as the Octarius box, despite not having dice, cards, the measuring equipment/barricades and the rulebook.
The Red Hobbit wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the Noitiates end up in the next Sisters codex whenever that ends up being. After all the BSF Ecclesiarchy models ended up in the most recent codex and their wargear became the default for certain generic models.
Given the downloadable datasheet for them, and the inevitability of them getting a standalone release in a few months, I wouldn't bet against it.
I also wouldn't mind any of these rogue datasheets getting included in either CA or the MFM when they're next printed, just to be on the safe side - assuming an appropriate new 'dex for that faction hasn't been released in time, of course.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
The Novitiate Duellist shows interesting new design space implications of the KT21 melee system. Her Expert Riposte ability can use a successful crit for parrying AND dealing damage simultaneously.
Another interesting rules design tweak is the Novitiates Strategic Ploy which temporarily makes all ranged weapons have an infinite range. With such a strong melee weapon option available, I can see novitiates wanting to favour autopistols and swords over the autogun in most cases, since you can just spend 1 CP to get unlimited ramge to your pistol weapons during the first turning points.
I really like what I'm seeing in terms of rules here. If the box was sanely priced, I'd bite, but for now I'll just get things individually instead. By my slow hobbying pace, I guess I could even wait for the individual kits, I already want to do this with my DKoK for getting a second box.
Apologies if this has already been covered in the thread, but does anybody know how many terrain sprues are included in the box?
I'm not that keen on the Tau or Sisters, I'm trying to work out if it would be worth it for me to buy a box just for the terrain? I'm assuming that I could sell each squad for around £30.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Apologies if this has already been covered in the thread, but does anybody know how many terrain sprues are included in the box?
I'm not that keen on the Tau or Sisters, I'm trying to work out if it would be worth it for me to buy a box just for the terrain? I'm assuming that I could sell each squad for around £30.
It looks like 5 large sprues of scenery (2x walls, 2x floors, 1x arches) and 6 small sprues (3 of each ruin sprue).
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