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2022/05/22 13:22:22
Subject: Squats return! - Page 11
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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silverstu wrote:I'm just glad the rest of the weapons are so simple and pragmatic like the conversion beamer and graviton blaster. Easy to see how they work.
I didn't even noticed that they don't have a trigger until you mentioned them. I'm assuming that the button on top of the conversion weapon is meant to be what fires it, but it seems a little far? Maybe they use a neural link or some other connection. They are heavy weapons, so presumably they are meant to be used on vehicles or with power armour.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2022/05/22 13:43:24
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Dakka Veteran
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Can't actually remember what a conversion beamer does I just have memories of it being one of the quirkier weapons in Rogue Trader. But I really like the designs - really nice shapes and proportions and yeah looks like it is a button trigger maybe something through the haptic link they talked about.
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2022/05/22 13:47:27
Subject: Squats return! - Page 11
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Leader of the Sept
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JSG wrote:Next up MMA fans critique the fighting styles of Eldar aspect warriors!
Well here is the thread on how you might use chainswords to fight
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/802656.page
and here is one about how shuriken weapons might work
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/802619.page
Welcome to Dakkadakka
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Terranwing - w3;d1;l1
51st Dunedinw2;d0;l0
Cadre Coronal Afterglow w1;d0;l0 |
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2022/05/22 14:15:54
Subject: Squats return! - Page 11
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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The Chainsword thread is particularly educational!
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2022/05/22 15:44:07
Subject: Squats return! - Page 11
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Second Story Man
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we had discussions in the past how stupid iron sights are in Eldar vehicle/phantom constructs weapons
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2022/05/24 04:37:44
Subject: Squats return! - Page 11
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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Crimson wrote:This is inane. If people cannot handle bolt shotguns or whatever because it is not plausibly optimal weapon design they should have just walked away from 40K decades ago and never look back. Basically nothing in this setting makes sense, it runs 95% on the rule of cool.
I'm so tired of all these absurd generated grievances regarding everything.
I couldn't agree more.
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2022/05/24 07:07:32
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Leader of the Sept
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Oh hush, It makes us happy to feel superior to the poor designer making minimum wage to churn out fantasy toy soldiers without adequately researching the intricacies of make believe firearms
Got to have something to look forward to in life, and this is after all the internet.
On the other hand, a models weapon is often a very prominent part of the model, and if something looks off then it can affect an individuals immersion in the game making it harder to suspend disbelief. A relatively small amount of research can avoid that. So we whinge.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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2022/05/24 08:11:54
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Rule of cool only takes you so far.
I can't see what would make a Bolt Shotgun:
1. A "shotgun".
2. Any more advantageous than any other type of bolt weapon.
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2022/05/24 08:16:51
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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It could be worse. It could look like Fallout 4's assault rifle. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Rule of cool only takes you so far. I can't see what would make a Bolt Shotgun: 1. A "shotgun". 2. Any more advantageous than any other type of bolt weapon.
To be fair, shotguns don't always fire shot. Slug ammunition is quite common. If it doesn't use shot at all then yeah, shotgun would be a misnomer. The term for a shotgun that fires exclusively slugs is called a slug gun, iirc. It should really be called something like a bolt revolving carbine, imo.
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This message was edited 7 times. Last update was at 2022/05/24 08:37:29
What I have
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~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2022/05/24 10:34:42
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Dakka Veteran
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Rule of cool only takes you so far.
I can't see what would make a Bolt Shotgun:
1. A "shotgun".
2. Any more advantageous than any other type of bolt weapon.
Larger caliber rounds? Like a smaller grenade launcher? Thats what I think of, bolter rounds being smaller designed to be shot in an automatic. So shorter ranger, fewer shots but hitting harder? But I'm not a gunsmith, that's just what the design suggests to me.
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2022/05/24 11:41:59
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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I guess I see things like bolt shotguns and botl revolvers and I don't assume they're using tech like that because it's strictlly better than Astartes tech, but because it's simple and robust enough to arm far larger armies. Bolters aren't simple weapons, they require exacting manufacture and extensive maintenance. by shifting from an automatically fed Godwyn bolter to a shotgun style feed, it would allow for the stopping power of a bolter better at lower cost and with reduced maintenance.
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2022/05/24 12:08:54
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Dakka Veteran
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Bolter are designed to fire bursts of ammunition like assault rifles, so magazines where the rounds have to be many and smaller- which the Kin have. To me, revolver tech is successive, larger individual rounds designed to have a higher impact close up and personal. Hand cannons essentially, like Hellboy's gun, which is very dwarf-like -close up heavy hitting firepower maybe with shells similar in size to heavy Bolter shells. But thats just what to suggests to me.
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2022/05/24 12:47:50
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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2022/05/24 12:55:07
Subject: Re:Squats return! - Page 11
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Rule of cool always applies, but "cool" is subjective. I love that Ad Mech rides around on mechanical horses with glorified revolvers. Was hoping LoV would be a little closer to reality, or at least motifs that say "advanced tech" and not "future wild west."
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2022/06/02 15:35:20
Subject: Re:Squats return! - Page 11
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Some important leaks about leagues of Votann. The reference cards (stratagems and psychic powers) are readable in this album :
https://imgur.com/a/uzo1ZJv
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longtime Astra Militarum neckbeard |
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2022/06/02 16:21:02
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Booming Thunderer
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So basically we have Grimnyr (psykers), Cthonian Berserks (melee specialists), Einhyr (their super-elites or prolly exo-suits) and a Hekaton Land Fortress (most probably a Votann version of the land train) plus a whole lot of cool tidbits. I have to admit, I was a bit wary of GW totally abandoning the "dwarfiness" of the Leagues, but those stratagems show I was wrong. Looking forward to the models.
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Skitarii - starting
DC:80S++G++MB-I+Pw40k02+D+++A++++/sWD269R++T(S)DM+ |
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2022/06/02 16:22:30
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Grudgepyre is a fantastic name for a power. That's all I got to contribute.
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2022/06/02 16:59:11
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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MaCa wrote:So basically we have Grimnyr (psykers), Cthonian Berserks (melee specialists), Einhyr (their super-elites or prolly exo-suits) and a Hekaton Land Fortress (most probably a Votann version of the land train)...
And Hernkyn Pioneers, which I guess are scouts/Dwarf Miners.
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2022/06/02 17:19:44
Subject: Squats return! - Page 11
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Terrifying Doombull
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H.B.M.C. wrote: MaCa wrote:So basically we have Grimnyr (psykers), Cthonian Berserks (melee specialists), Einhyr (their super-elites or prolly exo-suits) and a Hekaton Land Fortress (most probably a Votann version of the land train)...
And Hernkyn Pioneers, which I guess are scouts/Dwarf Miners.
We've hit full Swedish Chef levels of parody, here. Hernkyn blerkyn lürkyn!
Though the dropped vowels for tech like the HunTR are veering off towards Warcraft gnomish engineering
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2022/06/02 17:25:39
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2022/06/02 17:50:54
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Is WC4 the cheapest power? It seems pretty good for taking out things like custodes bikers or crisis suits, once you strip them of their ablative drones.
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"Three months? I'm going to go crazy …and I'm taking you with me!"
— Vala Mal Doran |
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2022/06/02 18:17:52
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Calculating Commissar
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I'm curious what the reference to "Searchlight" being a unit keyword means, mentioned in the Light 'Em Up stratagem card.
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The supply does not get to make the demands. |
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2022/06/02 18:22:19
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Mad Gyrocopter Pilot
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Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.
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2022/06/02 18:24:24
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm curious what the reference to "Searchlight" being a unit keyword means, mentioned in the Light 'Em Up stratagem card.
Probably a wargear/upgrade keyword, like how space marines’ tracked vehicles have the smokescreen keyword or harlequins can buy different specialist weapon keywords.
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"Three months? I'm going to go crazy …and I'm taking you with me!"
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2022/06/02 18:24:28
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Fixture of Dakka
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Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm curious what the reference to "Searchlight" being a unit keyword means, mentioned in the Light 'Em Up stratagem card.
Presumably certain vehicles will come equipped with a Searchlight, giving it the apropriate keyword, but the Votann have linked these in such a way that only one Searchlight may draw power a turn...
H.B.M.C. wrote: MaCa wrote:So basically we have Grimnyr (psykers), Cthonian Berserks (melee specialists), Einhyr (their super-elites or prolly exo-suits) and a Hekaton Land Fortress (most probably a Votann version of the land train)...
And Hernkyn Pioneers, which I guess are scouts/Dwarf Miners.
Wasn't that the name given for the lady on the floating trike?
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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2022/06/02 18:28:39
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Olthannon wrote:Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.
Probably just the unit they lead. Some armies have sergeants in charge of every unit, while others have Exarchs and Felarchs and Lead Players scattered around with roughly the same role.
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"Three months? I'm going to go crazy …and I'm taking you with me!"
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2022/06/02 18:36:14
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Where is the "Hekaton Land Fortress" mentioned?
Some fairly interesting stuff in there, although not really anything that's unexpected. It does seem to imply they'll be getting hover bikers, too.
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2022/06/02 18:37:24
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mr_Rose wrote:
Is WC4 the cheapest power? It seems pretty good for taking out things like custodes bikers or crisis suits, once you strip them of their ablative drones.
WC4 is the cheapest as far as I'm aware. I'll take your word for it on the ability to kill larger models as my phone won't let me read the text of any of the cards basically.
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2022/06/02 18:42:02
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Leader of the Sept
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Olthannon wrote:Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.
One will have a hammer and a gun, while the other has a gun and a hammer. Or CC and ranged variants or something.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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2022/06/02 18:52:49
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Booming Thunderer
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Mentlegen324 wrote:Where is the "Hekaton Land Fortress" mentioned?
Some fairly interesting stuff in there, although not really anything that's unexpected. It does seem to imply they'll be getting hover bikers, too.
Imgur links are ok? https://imgur.com/a/JZnK8j9
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Skitarii - starting
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