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If Kislev are to be one of the initial factions in Total War number 3, the releases of it and the "Warhammer The Old World" are not exactly going to be synchronised anyway. The latter is years away, much later than the former is expected.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some cooperation in terms of the design. The Total War people have been allowed to come up with some of their own stuff (though each design would have to be approved by GW I think), but if they're designing Kislev at the same time GW has detailed plans and concepts for them, the fortunate timing might as well be taken advantage of by sharing the plans and ensuring Creative Assembly incorporated the new units and aesthetics.

Not expecting many of Creative Assembly's ideas to make it into the Old World though, although I wouldn't mind a new forest dragon following their design.
   
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The whole AoS launch in itself was about the of the worst bits of marketing you'll ever see. GW was so focused on keeping secrets secret back then that they forgot to actually market their biggest game update in decades. This being right after they decided to pay attention to the Old World game in a big way after years of neglect.

So yeah really short sighted madness went on. Heck I believe there's some interview floating around where it was revealed taht the rules for AoS were far more detailed and ready to go but were dropped last minute in the weeks/months before launch - leaving them with just the getting started open play fun rules alone.

Anyway best not to dwell on those dark days too much.

   
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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

Not expecting many of Creative Assembly's ideas to make it into the Old World though, although I wouldn't mind a new forest dragon following their design.

I wouldn't be shocked if Creative Assembly's "ideas" aren't strictly theirs. GW supposedly works fairly close with their digital partners--to the point of some of the later army books for Warhammer Fantasy having "With thanks to EA/Mythic" in there for stuff relating to lore and art. My Wood Elf army book from 8th has that smackdab in the front.
   
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No evidence to suggest it's what happening with Old World but someday GW will have to respond to 3D printing. Warhammer Fantasy is inherently generic in many regards (already a lot of knockoffs), so it wouldn't be a bad spot to start. Producing files has to be cheaper than physical manufacture of models and they still have AoS and 40k for the casual market. Bet GW still has the digital files for discontinued units like the High Elf bolt thrower and dragon princes. Could move the whole HE line to digital. Would only need new archers and spearelves.

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GW will worry about addressing 3D printing when 3D printing becomes something worth addressing. There's no point spend resources adapting your niche hobby product to an even more niche hobby.

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 EnTyme wrote:
GW will worry about addressing 3D printing when 3D printing becomes something worth addressing. There's no point spend resources adapting your niche hobby product to an even more niche hobby.


It took 20 years for them to acknowledge the internet as anything other than a new way to publish catalogues.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
GW will worry about addressing 3D printing when 3D printing becomes something worth addressing. There's no point spend resources adapting your niche hobby product to an even more niche hobby.


It took 20 years for them to acknowledge the internet as anything other than a new way to publish catalogues.

Well look how that turned out! Nobody uses the Internet anymore. You definitely can't play Warhammer with it or use it as a discussion place....

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pm713 wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
GW will worry about addressing 3D printing when 3D printing becomes something worth addressing. There's no point spend resources adapting your niche hobby product to an even more niche hobby.


It took 20 years for them to acknowledge the internet as anything other than a new way to publish catalogues.

Well look how that turned out! Nobody uses the Internet anymore. You definitely can't play Warhammer with it or use it as a discussion place....


Isn't that literally his point? That GW was 20 years behind when it came to optimizing their use of an incredibly useful resource? And therefore they're probably never going to acknowledge 3D printing, even on the off chance it does become a viable competitor for their product?

Can't see it being something worth considering for TOW, though. Given the choice between buying a unit of spearmen in plastic or having to print the same designs out, in resin, one miniature at a time? Convenience alone will take me to the plastic every time, to say nothing of the durability. It's not going improve enough in the next 3-5 years for it to be a consideration for anyone but the most diehard of 3D printer enthusiasts.
   
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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
GW will worry about addressing 3D printing when 3D printing becomes something worth addressing. There's no point spend resources adapting your niche hobby product to an even more niche hobby.


It took 20 years for them to acknowledge the internet as anything other than a new way to publish catalogues.

Well look how that turned out! Nobody uses the Internet anymore. You definitely can't play Warhammer with it or use it as a discussion place....


Isn't that literally his point? That GW was 20 years behind when it came to optimizing their use of an incredibly useful resource? And therefore they're probably never going to acknowledge 3D printing, even on the off chance it does become a viable competitor for their product?

Can't see it being something worth considering for TOW, though. Given the choice between buying a unit of spearmen in plastic or having to print the same designs out, in resin, one miniature at a time? Convenience alone will take me to the plastic every time, to say nothing of the durability. It's not going improve enough in the next 3-5 years for it to be a consideration for anyone but the most diehard of 3D printer enthusiasts.

You may have missed some sarcasm there.

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Misread the direction of it, yeah
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

According to People I've Spoken To(who give every appearance of being plausible sources of info) GW have already thoroughly considered 3D printing as a potential avenue for their business, but rejected it out of hand when they were told straight up that the level of control they would demand over the process(make the machines themselves, proprietary gcode replacement, per-print license sales ie pay once print only once) would A; cost a small fortune to develop, B; cost an actual fortune for a customer to buy to recoup A, and C; inevitably be cracked within a matter of months anyway.

For the moment, they seem content to exist in a state of cold war with 3D printing - their lawyers periodically trawl for stuff they can DMCA, knowing that safe harbour means platforms will comply and that nobody making knockoff 3D models as a hobby and giving them away for free is likely to challenge them in court over a mild inconvenience, the designers of stuff then either just reupload or on occasion get scared away, rinse & repeat. Going after the community too hard just risks exposing it to more of their customer base or even another Chapterhouse scenario, so they're content to just bug people enough that they don't get too cocky.

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 Tim the Biovore wrote:

Can't see it being something worth considering for TOW, though. Given the choice between buying a unit of spearmen in plastic or having to print the same designs out, in resin, one miniature at a time? Convenience alone will take me to the plastic every time, to say nothing of the durability. It's not going improve enough in the next 3-5 years for it to be a consideration for anyone but the most diehard of 3D printer enthusiasts.


Pretty much this and, of course, quality. I've yet to see anyone put up photos of 3D printed products that aren't covered with hashmarks from the printing process. Part of GW's product statement is that they consider themselves produces of 'fine quality' hobby products, and won't attach their name (or IP issues and control issues) to 3D printing. They'll make it a point of pride that their minis are better. Some will disagree or consider it unimportant, but to me the gap between 3D printing and the garage company products is a lot bigger than the gap between garage companies and GW.

It seems a non issue for GW in general or the 'Old World' in particular.

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Fascinating as this discussion of 3-D printing is, and it is good stuff, it should probably be elsewhere.

 
   
 
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