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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I hope everyone wishing for new boyz is happy now. Let's hope they keep the old kit around, I'm definitely ordering some to make sure I have enough of them for future conversions.

Yeah I really hope everyone who said Orks 'needed' (or 'deserved') a new Boyz kit enjoy their mono-pose optionless crap.

I am not by any means a GW apologist, but how much of this policy direction is it going to take for people who don't accept it to just walk away or just stop buying?

I think it's a gakky business strategy by them, but then I don't buy anything from GW.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

'It's cheaper than finding out of production models from a third party, or buying a model made in a much more expensive material' isn't the best line of argument to my mind.

Neither is 'well the decades-old model and starter set models had no options, so it's fine that the new kit has none either'.

Maybe, but I think it is considering those were the only ways to field GW deffkoptas before this kit . Now we have a modern sculpt that doesn't invalidate the older one and doesn't even cost more. Win win for everyone I think.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
'It's cheaper than finding out of production models from a third party, or buying a model made in a much more expensive material' isn't the best line of argument to my mind.

Neither is 'well the decades-old model and starter set models had no options, so it's fine that the new kit has none either'.

'We got exactly what we wanted for less money than expected' is a damn fine argument.

are we sure those are 3 in a box?

Boyz are 10 for 35?

 kodos wrote:
are we sure those are 3 in a box?

Boyz are 10 for 35?

Let's see. The Combat Patrol is $140

Warboss Mega Armour $35
Deffkoptas $60
Ork Boyz $45
Deff Dread $55

Total $195 or $240 if $45 is 10 Boyz

So that is either a 28% or a 42% discount. Drukhari Combat Patrol is $223 in models.

Yeah, I'm seeing the price looks like it is for 3 Deffkoptas and 10 Boyz.

yeah, I would rather see 20 Boyz for 45USD and 1 Kopta at 60 than the 3 Koptas and 10 Boyz, specially with the loadout of the Boyz

Koptas also have to be in threes both due to how the models build and since you can no longer field single koptas.

Hey kids!

Do you ever look at the current Boyz kit and think "By Gork (or Mork)! There are just too many options there, what with the ability to give the whole squad Sluggas or Shooters, the choice to have or not have a heavy weapon, and that the Nob is the 11th model in the unit, meaning I can always build 10 boyz!"?

Well worry no more, because this Saturday the new Ork Boyz kit - Ezy-2-Build push-fit and 100% mono-pose, where you get 3 Shoota boyz, 5 Slugga Boyz, a mandatory heavy weapon, a Nob, and no way to change their equipment or posing or even heads! - is on its way.

Hooray for progress!!!

Plus the Warboss, the Deff Koptaz, and the regular Warboss with Power Klaw as a separate release.

That new boys kit.is a fragging disgrace.

The poses and detail are better but obviously it's been almost (?) twenty years so that's the minimum to expect. Yeah, I find the lack of options disturbing.

And in other news, the Big 'Ed Bossbunka is just gone from the GW site. Not a "Temporarily unavailable" or "No longer available online", but completely gone. Cannot be searched for. It's been pointed out that that might be a website error, but it's weird that it just vanished.

 warboss wrote:
The poses and detail are better...

When you've only got one of each. Get the required 10 boxes to build a 30-boy Shoota unit, and suddenly those better poses won't look as good when there's 10 of each one.

You do get 30% tactical rocks with the new Boyz though...

In my day a squad had 3 poses, repeated ad nauseam, in hard-to-convert metal. You whippersnappers don’t know how good you have it!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
In my day a squad had 3 poses, repeated ad nauseam, in hard-to-convert metal. You whippersnappers don’t know how good you have it!

"Your day" is the same as many here, me included. This new box is still crap.

 Albertorius wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
In my day a squad had 3 poses, repeated ad nauseam, in hard-to-convert metal. You whippersnappers don’t know how good you have it!

"Your day" is the same as many here, me included. This new box is still crap.

I bet you’re fun at parties. :-) Back to the doom and gloom and whining now, sorry for applying a bit of levity.

Y'know, in MY DAY, we treated headaches by ramming a steel spike into your eye socket. You kids don't know how good you've got it nowadays when you just get thumped in the forehead.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
In my day a squad had 3 poses, repeated ad nauseam, in hard-to-convert metal. You whippersnappers don’t know how good you have it!

"Your day" is the same as many here, me included. This new box is still crap.

I bet you’re fun at parties. :-) Back to the doom and gloom and whining now, sorry for applying a bit of levity.

Indeed I am, I'm a certified Jiminy Cricket!

I don't even collect Orks (past a box of Boyz I bought for killteam (it's a fantastic kit)) and I just want to leave my condolences for the new set. It's fething gak. And I say this as someone whose primary army is the metal sisters of battle!

Maybe the sculpts are better now but, for example, the old monopose plastics from second edition at least came with a coherent squad loadout

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey kids!

Do you ever look at the current Boyz kit and think "By Gork (or Mork)! There are just too many options there, what with the ability to give the whole squad Sluggas or Shooters, the choice to have or not have a heavy weapon, and that the Nob is the 11th model in the unit, meaning I can always build 10 boyz!"?

Well worry no more, because this Saturday the new Ork Boyz kit - Ezy-2-Build push-fit and 100% mono-pose, where you get 3 Shoota boyz, 5 Slugga Boyz, a mandatory heavy weapon, a Nob, and no way to change their equipment or posing or even heads! - is on its way.

Hooray for progress!!!

Plus the Warboss, the Deff Koptaz, and the regular Warboss with Power Klaw as a separate release.

Ugh, my worst fears for the boyz kit came true. I was hoping there were sprues that weren't included in the Combat Patrol box, but it seems like I was horribly wrong. Especially for an army that relies on redundancy for units to work, the new boyz kit is horrendous, especially for new players. They really need to rethink their approach for how they make new boxes, especially for core units like boyz.

Man, that new Boyz kit really is the worst thing to happen to Orks since the dreadful Gorkamorka plastics. Completely bizarre too, given the variety on offer in the new Kommandos kit.

 Grimskul wrote:

Ugh, my worst fears for the boyz kit came true. I was hoping there were sprues that weren't included in the Combat Patrol box, but it seems like I was horribly wrong. Especially for an army that relies on redundancy for units to work, the new boyz kit is horrendous, especially for new players. They really need to rethink their approach for how they make new boxes, especially for core units like boyz.

Unfortunately for several armies, I think they have rethought their approach.
And that approach is 'start waving goodbye to hordes' and 'bump stats up.'

Ork armies already look weird to me (the remind me of old epic armies with lots and lots of vehicles, and a few stands of boys at the back); the chaos offshoots have already exiled cultists to 'but thou must marine first'; we'll see how gaunts and gants get treated in the tyranid codex and what happens to daemons; but I could easily see 'hyper-evolution' and 'warp is stronger because of the galaxy wide rift' being lined up as excuses for why both get a stat makeover that coincidently makes them less of a horde.

The good news is most current ork players probbaly have 50-100 boys anyway.. so this is just a box with like 10 new sculpts..
those old boy kits will be gold for a bit.

Considering the 'new' Cadian kit is 10 for £29, I wouldn't count on new Ork players being shown mercy.

Eh, that sucks. Was hoping this was just a "starter set" sprue and they'd release something better for the final kit. But I guess not.

It sucks extra when you realise they've made far better kits for both DKOK and Kommandos. So they put in the effort to make a kit with lots of options for a special unit, but didn't put any effort into the kit which will be bought 5 or 10 times as frequently.

gungo wrote:
The good news is most current ork players probbaly have 50-100 boys anyway.. so this is just a box with like 10 new sculpts..
those old boy kits will be gold for a bit.

That was partly my argument, the old kit was uninspiring and it's been around so long that existing players would have tons of them, and I doubt GW were shifting a lot of the old Boyz kits. So my ire is at the level of when GW brings out a new kit I don't particularly want and not at the level of replacing or squatting kits that I actually cared about.

See, its at this kind of moment that the overall health and look of the game really ought to trump 'well, I got mine.'

Especially because every time they do it, your odds go down.

I find the new sculpt to be not that
better compared to older kit.
Bigger yes, a bit, but not better.

The running dudes in particular are odds,
but the whole boot design does not make it for me.

And the squad composition just sink the ship,
this loadout is a joke.

I know people hate the older boyz as much as I love them,
but I think they dropped the ball on this one.

I’ve literally just got the combat patrol box for Christmas. My plan is to just separate the boyz from that and put them in with my other older boyz units. Saw a WarCom article not to long ago where someone had done that and they don’t look too out of place

The fun part of this kit is that you need to buy two just to field the min squad of choppa boyz and even three to field the min squad of shoota boyz. Something like a hundred dollar just for being able to field a desired min squad of troops .

 Blackie wrote:
The fun part of this kit is that you need to buy two just to field the min squad of choppa boyz and even three to field the min squad of shoota boyz. Something like a hundred dollar just for being able to field a desired min squad of troops .

And the best part is that your shoota mob will consist of the same three boyz repeated over and over again

I've ordered three boxes of boyz for future conversions... you can't easily build those new boyz into another unit like you could with the old ones.

I'm really tempted to go back to that thread and dig up the names of all posters which told me how awesome new boyz were going to be and how I was wrong about everything.

Voss wrote:
See, its at this kind of moment that the overall health and look of the game really ought to trump 'well, I got mine.'

Is that a pro- or anti- Nework stance? Because the new kit is bad because of its no options, the old kit is bad because it looks like a 20yo kit.

Seems like a lose-lose to me.

I was pro-Nework because I didn't like the old kit and hoped they did something similar to DKOK or Kommandos or Goliath or Escher. They didn't, which is a shame, I'm certainly not going to start an army with the Neworks now, but I may still buy a box of the Neworks to make a Kill Team or something like that at some point.

If the old Ork kit was so popular I would expect it to be sold out at GW or at the very least discounters, but it still seems to be in stock at most places. So people who still want the old one can still stock up for now.

Do we even know if they're stopping sales of the old Boyz? The old Boyz are still available from every region GW store. Given the new box doesn't even make a proper squad, I wonder if they intend to keep the old ones around.





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 Jidmah wrote:
I'm really tempted to go back to that thread and dig up the names of all posters which told me how awesome new boyz were going to be...

Eh, if you're talking about my comments, I only ever said the old Orks are crap and there was a possibility that new Orks could be better based on other kits GW has done in recent times, not that I was divining the future that Neworks would definitely be a godsend. GW have proved they can do better kits than this, they literally just released some kits that are better than this, why they decided not to put any effort into the core of the Ork army *shrugs*, I dunno.

If they'd made the Neworks to the same level as the Kommandos, but just replacing the back packs with some extra options on the sprue, that would have been a great outcome IMO, but I know some people don't even like the Kommandos.

The only thing I can think is GW don't think Orks are popular and so didn't think it was worth putting in the same effort to the core kit, but it's weird they WOULD put that effort into the Kommandos.

If you want a pat on the back because you guessed that the Nework kit would be crap, umm, okay, have a cookie.