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My only issue with the Warlocks in general - including the Skyrunner Warlock and the new plastics is that all their kit appears to have become standardised.
Standardised weapons, standardised helms with the option of topkniot or not.
I'd really just appreciate some variety in them. Fur on one of the plastic sculpts, maybe a variant of a singing spear or Witchblade design, maybe even a slightly different helmet design or the options for antlers.
The headrest is a nice add on, I'll give them that.
But Warlocks should really feel more like a bunch of individual characters than a slightly fancier unit - the amount of flexibility in the old Empire Battle Wizard Kit is something that wouldn't have gone amiss here.
Yeah, the poses are similar but the options for staves, heads, accessories makes it amazing.
And yes, I am very familiar with Warlocks.
Making me regret having sold my Eldar Army years ago.
Honestly, I like standardization. It's pretty ironic, but that's one thing that bugs me with deathguard and csm. One model has fur, one has chainmail, etc. But they're the ones who should be pretty unique, since it's a ragtag group of individuals with different mutations, experiences, and so on.
A warlock with a fur pelt would have been great though. One of the old models had it, IIRC. Though they may want to refrain from fur pelts, if they want to make the visarch look more unique. Or if they want that look for exodites down the road
Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
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Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
Really? That’s the place you draw the line? Entering a flow state or moment of calm is a thing people describe in the real world… unlike mind bullets, the immaterium, walking cathedrals with guns, etc etc etc
Everything is daft in 40K.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Mate, you didn’t do your marksman’s trance drills did you… shame…
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Well for starters I doubt any of you in the military were hundreds to thousands of years old; trained in multiple disciples of war; capable of using psychic powers and able to connect with a webway of information and such. Also I don't think you have hover-jet bikes yet.
Also I'm willing to bet none of you have naturally REALLY pointy ears and are basically not-human
So you've got a lot of things going against you, but I bet if you could fire as a sniper whilst on the move on a fast mobile platform you'd be doing it. Heck I suspect in the real world that is something they'd likely be working on just with drones not people.
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ceorron wrote: A lot is listed on the GW website as "Temporarily out of stock". Curiously falcon is listed as "Temporarily out of stock".
I was going to go out on a limb and guess that they are going to redo the Wave Serpent as it is really a lot smaller than it should be as it is build on the falcon base which is a lot smaller than a real Wave Serpent.
Where did you get that the "real" Wave Serpent is bigger than the model? Since the Wave Serpent got its contemporary redesign (first hexfield-shield WD conversion, than Forgeworld, than GW proper) it has the elongated Falcon hull. The ooooold Space Marine/Epic sailboat Wave Serpent is long retconned out of existence. Even the second Epic model is based on the Falcon.
I thought this was the official Wave Serpent design. Didn't realise it was changed in epic to match 40k.
I still think they prefer this larger design.
Both epic versions are connected at the front which isn't on the 40k model.
This is the second epic model and is based on the falcon chassis. The compartment is elongated as is the case with the 40k model, but the remaining hull including the wings is the same as the falcon's. The only features protruding that make it look bigger are the shield generator and the shield plating. The plating was present in the White Dwarf conversion, but was replaced with gems on the Forgeworld version and fins on the plastic Wave Serpent. The generator was present on the Forgeworld model but was dropped in the mainline version. Underneath this bling, the second epic model is just a stock falcon hull with longer passenger compartment.
Probably because it's really obvious that even the writers knew that sniping from a super-fast flying bike was so stupid that they had to fluff their way out of that particular bit of nonsense.
Remember, the design process with GW is:
1. Models. 2. Fluff. 3. Rules.
So the model guys sent the fluff guys Snipers on Jetbikes, leaving them to figure out how the feth they were going to justify such a concept. I can almost hear their eyes rolling when they first saw the models.
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Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Well for starters I doubt any of you in the military were hundreds to thousands of years old; trained in multiple disciples of war; capable of using psychic powers and able to connect with a webway of information and such. Also I don't think you have hover-jet bikes yet.
Also I'm willing to bet none of you have naturally REALLY pointy ears and are basically not-human
So you've got a lot of things going against you, but I bet if you could fire as a sniper whilst on the move on a fast mobile platform you'd be doing it. Heck I suspect in the real world that is something they'd likely be working on just with drones not people.
Love it when defence always just amounts to "it's magic" eventhough it's only valid for lazy talentless people like gw hires(talent and ability isn't their recruitment focus as per their words)
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Well for starters I doubt any of you in the military were hundreds to thousands of years old; trained in multiple disciples of war; capable of using psychic powers and able to connect with a webway of information and such. Also I don't think you have hover-jet bikes yet.
Also I'm willing to bet none of you have naturally REALLY pointy ears and are basically not-human
So you've got a lot of things going against you, but I bet if you could fire as a sniper whilst on the move on a fast mobile platform you'd be doing it. Heck I suspect in the real world that is something they'd likely be working on just with drones not people.
Love it when defence always just amounts to "it's magic" eventhough it's only valid for lazy talentless people like gw hires(talent and ability isn't their recruitment focus as per their words)
Well this is a setting where holy warriors gain protection by praying to a corpse that's plugged into a huge lighthouse for interstellar travel that's done by basically tearing a hole in reality and flying through almost literal hell.
Where fungus basically likes to get into large groups and go on a rampage for a good fight because its fun
Where bureaucratic engines are so woefully overwhelmed and poorly run that entire systems and world are lost and forgotten in the paperwork. Where fear of AI means that computers are run through the lobotomised brain of people.
I mean we can go on and on but to deny that "magic" is part of the setting is, I dunno pretty silly I think. Sure we all have our limits, but to just say that the "magic" angle is a poor argument is just really strange to me.
Probably because it's really obvious that even the writers knew that sniping from a super-fast flying bike was so stupid that they had to fluff their way out of that particular bit of nonsense.
Remember, the design process with GW is:
1. Models.
2. Fluff.
3. Rules.
So the model guys sent the fluff guys Snipers on Jetbikes, leaving them to figure out how the feth they were going to justify such a concept. I can almost hear their eyes rolling when they first saw the models.
HBMC gets it.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Well for starters I doubt any of you in the military were hundreds to thousands of years old; trained in multiple disciples of war; capable of using psychic powers and able to connect with a webway of information and such. Also I don't think you have hover-jet bikes yet.
Also I'm willing to bet none of you have naturally REALLY pointy ears and are basically not-human
So you've got a lot of things going against you, but I bet if you could fire as a sniper whilst on the move on a fast mobile platform you'd be doing it. Heck I suspect in the real world that is something they'd likely be working on just with drones not people.
Love it when defence always just amounts to "it's magic" eventhough it's only valid for lazy talentless people like gw hires(talent and ability isn't their recruitment focus as per their words)
Well this is a setting where holy warriors gain protection by praying to a corpse that's plugged into a huge lighthouse for interstellar travel that's done by basically tearing a hole in reality and flying through almost literal hell.
Where fungus basically likes to get into large groups and go on a rampage for a good fight because its fun
Where bureaucratic engines are so woefully overwhelmed and poorly run that entire systems and world are lost and forgotten in the paperwork. Where fear of AI means that computers are run through the lobotomised brain of people.
I mean we can go on and on but to deny that "magic" is part of the setting is, I dunno pretty silly I think. Sure we all have our limits, but to just say that the "magic" angle is a poor argument is just really strange to me.
haha, pretty much this. The list of impossible scenarios with 40K is so long, I think we can safely ignore sniping from the back of a moving jetbike, lol. Unless of course, his topknot would happen to blow into his face and disrupt his vision.
Probably because it's really obvious that even the writers knew that sniping from a super-fast flying bike was so stupid that they had to fluff their way out of that particular bit of nonsense.
Remember, the design process with GW is:
1. Models.
2. Fluff.
3. Rules.
So the model guys sent the fluff guys Snipers on Jetbikes, leaving them to figure out how the feth they were going to justify such a concept. I can almost hear their eyes rolling when they first saw the models.
HBMC gets it.
Dont snipers shoot from helicopters these days? So in 40k you have elves shooting from jet bikes... I dont care for many concepts ideas etc in 40k so just ignore the bits that break it for me. Thats why rangers on foot are a must have while on jet bikes are ignored. The jetbike design is ugly too.
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
Sounds alot like what Luke did to the Deathstar's exhaustion pipe 40 years ago. I don't think this is immersion breaking for the setting at all, to be honest.
We also have space marines that enter a trance like state; the Mantis Warriors.
"This neuro-toxin alters the Space Marine's sense of space and time, increasing his neurological reaction rate to that only achieved in near-precognitive states by most psykers; it also increases his already superhuman strength to a great extent.
To a mortal it would seem that the Astartes is simply stepping aside before anything happens.
Unfortunately, this marvelous gift comes at a price: the physiological change is irreversible and the Astartes' sight becomes tunnelised to the point of no longer being able to notice anything in his field of view that is not a target or a foe."
So it's probably something along those lines, where everything becomes all slow-mo. Not sure if only rangers have it, or if all eldar can tap into that
Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
Sounds alot like what Luke did to the Deathstar's exhaustion pipe 40 years ago. I don't think this is immersion breaking for the setting at all, to be honest.
Depends if you prefer to see Legolas surfing a Oliphaunt or simply Legolas shooting a bow. Its an individual preference.
Probably because it's really obvious that even the writers knew that sniping from a super-fast flying bike was so stupid that they had to fluff their way out of that particular bit of nonsense.
Remember, the design process with GW is:
1. Models.
2. Fluff.
3. Rules.
So the model guys sent the fluff guys Snipers on Jetbikes, leaving them to figure out how the feth they were going to justify such a concept. I can almost hear their eyes rolling when they first saw the models.
HBMC gets it.
No, I don't think either of you "get it". 40k has NEVER strived for realistic combat. It's meant to be over-the-top ridiculous.
If an idea elicits an "oh, that's rad!" response even a split second before the "but it makes no sense" follow up, said follow up is ignored, because "Oh, that's rad!"
Eldar can snipe off the back of a moving jetbike because, of course they can! It's probably the most "Eldar" concept I've heard in a while, actually.
Is it ridiculous? Yep
Could it even realistically work? Nope
But who the feth plays 40k for realism? Not me!
Probably because it's really obvious that even the writers knew that sniping from a super-fast flying bike was so stupid that they had to fluff their way out of that particular bit of nonsense.
Remember, the design process with GW is:
1. Models. 2. Fluff. 3. Rules.
So the model guys sent the fluff guys Snipers on Jetbikes, leaving them to figure out how the feth they were going to justify such a concept. I can almost hear their eyes rolling when they first saw the models.
HBMC gets it.
No, I don't think either of you "get it". 40k has NEVER strived for realistic combat. It's meant to be over-the-top ridiculous. If an idea elicits an "oh, that's rad!" response even a split second before the "but it makes no sense" follow up, said follow up is ignored, because "Oh, that's rad!"
Eldar can snipe off the back of a moving jetbike because, of course they can! It's probably the most "Eldar" concept I've heard in a while, actually. Is it ridiculous? Yep Could it even realistically work? Nope But who the feth plays 40k for realism? Not me!
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There's a vast difference between "realism" and "verisimilitude within a setting". The second part is what's the issue. To use Navarro's Legolas example: The stuff Legolas does in the movies breaks the verisimilitude, especially when you see him doing shield skateboarding head shots next to other elves. It's implied that he can do this stuff because he's an elf, but then you see him compared to other elves and it's ridiculously immersion breaking.
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Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
There's a vast difference between "realism" and "verisimilitude within a setting". The second part is what's the issue. To use Navarro's Legolas example: The stuff Legolas does in the movies breaks the verisimilitude, especially when you see him doing shield skateboarding head shots next to other elves. It's implied that he can do this stuff because he's an elf, but then you see him compared to other elves and it's ridiculously immersion breaking.
I totally get what you mean with the Legolas example, but I don't see the parallel here.
What about Eldar's heightened abilities breaks the immersion here.
Vypers with gunners have been around for decades. Venoms and Starweavers also have gunners on them.
I don't really see the difference between a Lance weapon hitting something while moving fast vs a sniper rifle. Rangers are trained to use snipers, so putting them on a moving platform seems no different than putting a Guardian on the back of a Vyper to shoot a heavy weapon.
The only part that seems "ridiculous" to me is the need to come up with some "marksman trance" nonsense. It's unnecessary fluff just to appease people who complain about the concept. Which is ironic here, because it's the main reason for the eye-rolling in the first place
Well this is a setting where holy warriors gain protection by praying to a corpse that's plugged into a huge lighthouse for interstellar travel that's done by basically tearing a hole in reality and flying through almost literal hell.
Where fungus basically likes to get into large groups and go on a rampage for a good fight because its fun
Where bureaucratic engines are so woefully overwhelmed and poorly run that entire systems and world are lost and forgotten in the paperwork. Where fear of AI means that computers are run through the lobotomised brain of people.
I mean we can go on and on but to deny that "magic" is part of the setting is, I dunno pretty silly I think. Sure we all have our limits, but to just say that the "magic" angle is a poor argument is just really strange to me.
Agreed.
I'd expect some explanation if we were talking about humans sniping on the back of a fast moving vehicle, but elves are mythological/fictional beings that - funnily enough - have magic powers and supernatural abilities.
Its also from a company that has a license to make games for this chap...
...who won an Oscar for each time he stole the show.
I don't really see the difference between a Lance weapon hitting something while moving fast vs a sniper rifle. Rangers are trained to use snipers, so putting them on a moving platform seems no different than putting a Guardian on the back of a Vyper to shoot a heavy weapon.
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Because hitting a large target like a tank with a dedicated tank weapon on a fast moving platform isn't the same thing as making a precision killshot against a human sized or smaller target on a fast moving platform, "marksman's trance" or not.
It's the sort of thing I could see Orks attempting, sure, but they're like the drunken Jackass hosts of 40K.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
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The US Coast Guard currently operate "snipers" from helicopters to shoot out the engines of drug runner speed boats is it such a stretch of the imagination to believe 40,000 years from now there isn't the technology to do it from the back of a bike,
Rolsheen wrote: The US Coast Guard currently operate "snipers" from helicopters to shoot out the engines of drug runner speed boats is it such a stretch of the imagination to believe 40,000 years from now there isn't the technology to do it from the back of a bike,
Miss the part where it has nothing to do with technology and is achieved through a "marksmen's trance", eh?
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Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
Rolsheen wrote: The US Coast Guard currently operate "snipers" from helicopters to shoot out the engines of drug runner speed boats is it such a stretch of the imagination to believe 40,000 years from now there isn't the technology to do it from the back of a bike,
40,000 years from now, the drug runners will auto-hit the helicopters with their flamers, no matter how fast or high they fly
Miss the part where it has nothing to do with technology and is achieved through a "marksmen's trance", eh?
So if it was a Tau or AdMech sniper doing with with sci-fi technology, it'd be fine, but an Eldar sniper doing with the mojo-trance or a sniper-Daemon doing it with warpsight isn't ok?
They are all none-sense explanations.
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Platuan4th wrote: Ranger biker pillion riders entering a "marksman's trance" so that they can still snipe from a speeding jetbike may be the dumbest piece of fluff I've read in a long time.
I don't know why they're sniping from a jetbike. When I was in the military, we used ATVs and technicals, and we had snipers, but a sniper shooting from a moving ATV or technical was never in the plans. I wonder why...
Well for starters I doubt any of you in the military were hundreds to thousands of years old; trained in multiple disciples of war; capable of using psychic powers and able to connect with a webway of information and such. Also I don't think you have hover-jet bikes yet.
Also I'm willing to bet none of you have naturally REALLY pointy ears and are basically not-human
So you've got a lot of things going against you, but I bet if you could fire as a sniper whilst on the move on a fast mobile platform you'd be doing it. Heck I suspect in the real world that is something they'd likely be working on just with drones not people.
We mounted a 249 to an ATV and had an M60 in the bed of a Hilux. We shot from moving platforms, it's just that single shot, bolt action rifles are a terrible weapon for that role. If you're moving, you want full auto. That's probably why every moving vehicle with a weapon on it since WWI has had some type of machine gun or at least an assault rifle.
The only part that seems "ridiculous" to me is the need to come up with some "marksman trance" nonsense. It's unnecessary fluff just to appease people who complain about the concept. Which is ironic here, because it's the main reason for the eye-rolling in the first place
Are you saying GW wrote that concerned with the potential client feedback or they wrote it because themselves did not believe the concept in the first place?
Either way its just one of the million things we can ignore on the fluff. Like in the movies we can ignore some bits... problem is if we ignore too many of those bits then the book and movie fails to deliver even if it wins prizes.
Thats another thing why should we care if a majority raves about shizz you dont like? If that was the case no one would do wargames in my time.
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Entering a flow state or moment of calm is a thing people describe in the real world… unlike mind bullets, the immaterium, walking cathedrals with guns, etc etc etc
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