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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sure, the Mechanicum didn’t get anything crossing the Rubicon Plasticaris, but given how points intensive their forces can be, that’s perhaps understandable.

I was expecting the 'common' stuff that Marines can take (Castelax, etc.) to be done in plastic.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
With all the emphasis being on marines for the foreseeable, has there been any mention of Blackshields?

The Legacies PDF mentioned that both Blackshields and Knights Errant would be getting rules in a future publication:

In the previous edition of the Horus Heresy, we have presented rules for the Knights-Errant and Blackshields. This PDF provides rules for several unique characters, but does not contain the full rules for these iconic factions of the Age of Darkness. Instead, both the Blackshields and Knights-Errant will be presented as factions with complete rules in a future Warhammer: The Horus Heresy - Age of Darkness publication.

Thanks, I missed that. If I do ever get into Heresy, Blackshields are likely to be my guys.

Yeah, sadly no word on shattered legions yet, but Blackshields will be getting a book or PDF release... eventually...

I’ve got three sheets of Blackshield transfers that I impulse bought when they went “last chance to buy”, so I might make a start on a small force, just for …s and giggles.

They should announce more Infantry Stuff.

I'd rather they announce something that isn't Marine trash.

They made a big hooplah about all the other factions getting rules. Now start with models. Bad enough that they shelved the rules for Cyraxus for this nonsense.

RazorEdge wrote:
They should announce more Infantry Stuff.

Agreed, I think announcing something like a despoiler/assault marine box (or a despoiler box with "add-on" jump pack sprue to buy ) would go a long way to keeping up enthusiasm for the game, particularly for people who chose melee heavy armies.

Indeed, more new infantry kits please. Dont leave us hanging with only tacticals and support squads, everything else has terribad proportions now..

where's the ruinstorm and militia PDF?
actually?

i am sitting on a brick of space brits and would like to proceed building my militia.

I would like to see the infantry assault options they are going to have in plastic so I can know what type of Jump Packs they are doing and if I need to stick with resin for them or not.

Not Online!!! wrote:
where's the ruinstorm and militia PDF?
actually?

i am sitting on a brick of space brits and would like to proceed building my militia.

I'm in a similar boat, I bought a ton of Grognards and was gonna use them for 40k but I've given up on that game. So I might avail myself of some allies for my 18th. Or I'll buy into a different WGA line to make some cultists for my nascent 3rd...

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd rather they announce something that isn't Marine trash.

They made a big hooplah about all the other factions getting rules. Now start with models. Bad enough that they shelved the rules for Cyraxus for this nonsense.

Perhaps the Heresy isn't for you, given the entire thing is about 18 different colors of space marines all fighting over the same box of crayons.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd rather they announce something that isn't Marine trash.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but something tells me 30k probably isn't the game system for you. You might as well book a trip to Alaska for Xmas and then complain about cold weather...


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 ScarletRose wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
They should announce more Infantry Stuff.

Agreed, I think announcing something like a despoiler/assault marine box (or a despoiler box with "add-on" jump pack sprue to buy ) would go a long way to keeping up enthusiasm for the game, particularly for people who chose melee heavy armies.

Breachers, lascannon/autocannon pack that we desperately need to deal w dreads...

"Perhaps 30k isn't for you"
Mechanicum, Daemons, Cults, and Solar Auxilia are all things, people. Plastic Mechanicum would be very cool.

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
"Perhaps 30k isn't for you"
Mechanicum, Daemons, Cults, and Solar Auxilia are all things, people. Plastic Mechanicum would be very cool.

Liber Daemonicus would be nice to have as I have a fully painted non-GW demon army at my disposal.

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
Mechanicum, Daemons, Cults, and Solar Auxilia are all things, people. Plastic Mechanicum would be very cool.

No doubt, and I say that as someone with a big Mechanicum army, but it's a bit rich to complain about Marine releases in a conflict that is 95% Marine vs Marine.

It'd be like seeing a new edition of Space Hulk and scoffing at "More Terminator and Genestealer trash!". It's as petty as it is illogical.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd rather they announce something that isn't Marine trash.

Comes into a thread about The Horus Heresy, whines about Marine releases. Meanwhile, elsewhere, scolds anyone who has the audacity to want to keep heavy weapons in Guard squads. I guess we're all having fun the wrong way again.

Never change Kan. Or do. Whatever.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd rather they announce something that isn't Marine trash.

They made a big hooplah about all the other factions getting rules. Now start with models. Bad enough that they shelved the rules for Cyraxus for this nonsense.

Wow.

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
"Perhaps 30k isn't for you"
Mechanicum, Daemons, Cults, and Solar Auxilia are all things, people. Plastic Mechanicum would be very cool.

Sure, but 90% of your opponents will always be space marines. If you think HH era marines are trash and don't want to see them on the table, that's nearly impossible. Unless you're just playing garage hammer with a couple close friends who have no interest in marines, you're still going to see a lot of the same marine kits painted 18 different colors on the other side of the table. To my earlier analogy, sure you can sit in a heated cabin in Alaska but if you hate the cold, it's probably not a great vacation destination for you at xmas time...


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
it's a bit rich to complain about Marine releases in a conflict that is 95% Marine vs Marine.

There's too many darn Space Marines in my game about *checks notes* Space Marines fighting against other Space Marines

Not Online!!! wrote:
where's the ruinstorm and militia PDF?
actually?

i am sitting on a brick of space brits and would like to proceed building my militia.

Looking at the roadmap article, no fixed timeline was given for when those lists were going to be released.

The timeline we were presented with indicated we'll get Liber Imperialis (i.e., Liber Other Imperium Stuff) in October, and there'd be free PDFs every month through to at least then, so those two army lists could essentially show up on any given week.

I too would enjoy some infantry releases.

“Heresy’s boring cos it’s just marines vs marines.”

Heresy fans - “There’s so much more to it. There’s Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia and Knights, and Demons and Militia and Cults ..”

“I hope they release something that isn’t marines soon”.

Heresy fans - “I think the Heresy isn’t for you, cos it’s basically marines vs marines”.




Seriously, I’m loving the releases so far and I’m close to biting just because beakies have really got my Rogue Trader nostalgia in full flow. They really do need some more infantry releases in plastic though. Plastic tacticals are looking great, but the minute you start looking at elite options, you’re talking ageing FW sculpts that are massively overpriced. Core units common to all legions are crying out for plastic.

I’m fine with legion specific units staying in FW resin, but there’re a lot right now that I just wouldn’t touch. The slightly rescaled MkVI armour looks absolutely gorgeous to me, but it has made a lot of the FW stuff look just bad in contrast. Badly proportioned midgets with skinny little legs. It’s a real shame because recent FW releases have been excellent. So, I think they need to start redoing all of those old sculpts to bring them up to the new standard.

It’s more complaining a game that focuses, and has always focussed, on armies lead by virtual Demi-Gods knocking seven bells out of each other, which has a supporting cast of other armed forces, is focussing on the armies lead by virtual Demi-Gods first.

Would I have liked to see at least some Mechanicum (almost typed Ad-Mech) and Solar Auxilia in plastic? Hell yes I absolutely would. Am I surprised there’s no sign of that yet? Not in the least.

I still reckon we’ll see them in due course. But for now, it’s kind of….almost funny…to see people expressing surprise it’s a Super Human Sosig Fest out of the gate.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s more complaining a game that focuses, and has always focussed, on armies lead by virtual Demi-Gods knocking seven bells out of each other, which has a supporting cast of other armed forces, is focussing on the armies lead by virtual Demi-Gods first.

Would I have liked to see at least some Mechanicum (almost typed Ad-Mech) and Solar Auxilia in plastic? Hell yes I absolutely would. Am I surprised there’s no sign of that yet? Not in the least.

I still reckon we’ll see them in due course. But for now, it’s kind of….almost funny…to see people expressing surprise it’s a Super Human Sosig Fest out of the gate.

I’m not holding my breath for Solar Auxilia. They couldn’t even be bothered to finish them in resin. Many of the models they did produce went out of production. It’s not even possible to collect a Solar Auxilia army in resin without resorting to conversions or recasts.

FYI UK peeps - MKIII & MKIV are back in stock!

Actually mkIII is already out of stock again, they went back in stock a few days back.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

I’m fine with legion specific units staying in FW resin, but there’re a lot right now that I just wouldn’t touch. The slightly rescaled MkVI armour looks absolutely gorgeous to me, but it has made a lot of the FW stuff look just bad in contrast. Badly proportioned midgets with skinny little legs. It’s a real shame because recent FW releases have been excellent. So, I think they need to start redoing all of those old sculpts to bring them up to the new standard.

Yeah, that's perhaps the worst part about the HH model line, half of it is very noticeable out of scale with the other half - older plastics and resins are so small and manlet-y compared to the newer ones.

Even for the legion stuff, the Palatine Blades are lovely models but they do look like "bring your child to work day" when stood next to the Mark VI.

People really need to get a grip on their scale quibbles. Do you really expect them to rescale everything when new stuff comes out? Scale differences are part of the hobby. Bulk up your bases if it's an issue. Personally I like the slight differences in scale, especially if it's characters and praetors that are larger.

On the table there's really no noticeable problem with scale. Even the smallest models like reavers look fine next to models converted from chaos space marines, which are bigger than the new mk6

If you had them all set out in a display cabinet it *might* actually be noticeable enough to be an issue

Not to say anyone is wrong about scale being a bit off. I'm just saying it doesn't actually break any immersion on the tabletop so I hope people aren't put off when they read about scale creep on the internet and think the games unplayable

Why couldn't they upscale Terminators too, so they'd be in-line with regular Marines?