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Ahhh, cool. Now I gets it!

My first thought when I saw the blue arm was



But quickly followed by the same thought as anyone else.

Be intriguing if it were somehow both...

Eh. 'Aliens are your gods' is a pretty tired trope, and not a pleasant one to apply to modern/active religions with large followings.

Could very well be both, given Asgardians.

And I do believe Kamala herself even lamented “I’m not Asgardian” amongst other such lamentations.

Voss wrote:
Eh. 'Aliens are your gods' is a pretty tired trope, and not a pleasant one to apply to modern/active religions with large followings.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Vishnu

 AduroT wrote:
Department Of Damage Control, the feds.

The ones that put Adrian Toomes out of business at the beginning of 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'.

 MDSW wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From The Hollywood Reporter, Marvel Developing ‘Wonder Man’ Series with Destin Daniel Cretton, Andrew Guest (Exclusive).

???? Wonder Man??!! WONDER MAN??!! Who knew the first edition comic I had gotten 40 some odd years ago of 'Wonder Man' would ever come up and may EVER be worth something. Actually, about 5-6 years ago I tried to sell it, since it is the first issue of a comic and I really have no idea if any other editions were made, and had absolutely no takers.

So, had it sold I may have really kicked myself and hope 'Wonder Man' comes to fruition and is a rousing success and maybe I might be able to get the $0.75 back on my investment of Wonder Man, issue #1.


Edit: After some quick research, the 29 issue series started in 1991, so I got it 30+ years ago and I guess it was a series for a while, anyway.

Wonder Man's first appearance was The Avengers #9 in October 1964. The solo series he had in the 90s never had much value and probably never will even with a D+ show.

 bbb wrote:
Wonder Man's first appearance was The Avengers #9 in October 1964. The solo series he had in the 90s never had much value and probably never will even with a D+ show.

Yeah. I doubt my 2099 comics will ever be worth anything either...

 Ghaz wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Wonder Man's first appearance was The Avengers #9 in October 1964. The solo series he had in the 90s never had much value and probably never will even with a D+ show.

Yeah. I doubt my 2099 comics will ever be worth anything either...

Maybe in 77 years?

 Azreal13 wrote:
My first thought when I saw the blue arm was

Spoiler:

Vishnu

But quickly followed by the same thought as anyone else.

Be intriguing if it were somehow both...

Yeah, that’s pretty much where my mind went straight away.

 bbb wrote:

 MDSW wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From The Hollywood Reporter, Marvel Developing ‘Wonder Man’ Series with Destin Daniel Cretton, Andrew Guest (Exclusive).

???? Wonder Man??!! WONDER MAN??!! Who knew the first edition comic I had gotten 40 some odd years ago of 'Wonder Man' would ever come up and may EVER be worth something. Actually, about 5-6 years ago I tried to sell it, since it is the first issue of a comic and I really have no idea if any other editions were made, and had absolutely no takers.

So, had it sold I may have really kicked myself and hope 'Wonder Man' comes to fruition and is a rousing success and maybe I might be able to get the $0.75 back on my investment of Wonder Man, issue #1.


Edit: After some quick research, the 29 issue series started in 1991, so I got it 30+ years ago and I guess it was a series for a while, anyway.

Wonder Man's first appearance was The Avengers #9 in October 1964. The solo series he had in the 90s never had much value and probably never will even with a D+ show.

I seem to recall Stan Lee getting sued from DC for Wonder Man, due to Wonder Woman. Then a year or so later DC comes up with new Power Girl after Marvel's Power Man - go figure...

I am watching Falcon and the Winter Soldier because I am way behind.....

Anyway, the second episode has some really strong character work and chemistry between Sam and Barnes. I like how they are handling Winter Soldier in this one a lot so far.

 Easy E wrote:
I am watching Falcon and the Winter Soldier because I am way behind.....

Anyway, the second episode has some really strong character work and chemistry between Sam and Barnes. I like how they are handling Winter Soldier in this one a lot so far.

I was really fond of the F&WS series. For one, the antagonist had a pretty believable beef and why she was doing what she was and believable real-world issues. While not a stellar series, I did enjoy it.

Yeah, I rewatched it recently and I think all the character work was really amazing and the Flag Smashers were a fantastic protagonist. And one that can still come back under different leadership.

It's a solid series. I do think its hard to downsize to a TV budget from MCU film money and the final episode is obviously heavily impacted by COVID (though probably also the TV budget), but both title characters got great arcs and Zemo absolutely got a breakout role to keep the Captain America brand at the forefront of the MCU.

Sam's public speech at the end is fantastic. I love him calling out the senators. YOU have to do better. Shes not a terrorist. People backed her because the problems she fought for were real and you all failed all of them every step of the way.

Real great Captain America stuff.

One of the best things about FalconSoldier is it showing us un-snapping wasn’t the end of the overall problem.

I mean, things are rough on Earth. Whilst the Flag Smashers aren’t exactly in the right, it does get cross the complications of Tony’s selfish “no I don’t want to lose my daughter, screw the rest of existence” decision to not just reset.

On Earth? Massive displacement of people from homes and jobs. Who knows what the overall infrastructure is like after five years. It seems unlikely everything was maintained. Now, consider the wider Galaxy. Populaces could’ve shifted planets and/or systems. Imagine the benefit those on environmentally damaged planets being able to shift to more sustainable planets. Then….boom, those you replaced came back. That’s a much bigger version of the wider problem.

Yeah. It wasn't so much that idealogically the flag smashers were wrong. They weren't. The world as a whole progressed over the 5 years in dropping borders and people coming together. They saw everything going back to old systems and old hatreds while displacing people.

It was when they started not caring that innocents got killed that they crossed the line into villains.

Madripoor is also an interesting setting, and I could totally see it being important in future MCU stuff, including when they eventually make a 10 Rings related ..... thing......

Madripoor is well known as, among other things a hangout for a certain clawed Mutant

Oh hey, Red Dagger. I vaguely remember his appearance in the comic. They’re giving him more significance here than there. Also I like how you can see her slowly building her costume piece by piece as the series goes on instead of the usual final episode I have a whole brand new suit! thing a lot of the series do.

I'm not sold on Clan Destine at all. Why even have them get arrested if the very next scene we see them in they break out? And then the very next scene we see them in they find the secret hideout (that has a skylight, so really how hidden is it?)?

Everything else was fine. Waleed was 100% dead from the moment he was introduced, and I knew it'd be the Clan Destine leader who'd kill him. I don't think shows should be that predictable, but as the other Clan Destine characters are basically mooks with a few extra lines, they can't kill her off as there are no other characters to take her evil place.

 Easy E wrote:
Anyway, the second episode has some really strong character work and chemistry between Sam and Barnes. I like how they are handling Winter Soldier in this one a lot so far.

So was I until...



F&WS was also heavily impacted by COVID, as there is a whole pandemic storyline that was cut and edited around (somewhat clumsily), reducing what the show as about. Plus the show was sitting on the fence so hard about whether the Flagsmashers were bad or good as to be nauseating.

And the less said about Sharon Carter, the better...

Zemo was cool, but then again Zemo is always cool.

I found this an odd episode. There’s nothing particularly wrong with it, but it just didn’t quite work for me.

The chase scene seemed almost out of order, as if there was a mix up in the cutting room. I think it’s in how we follow one person, then straight to another when I’d expected to stay with them. It might just be me watching it on my iPad. I’ll give it another whirl Monday once I’m home.

Ms Marvel episode 5.

Wonderful stuff. Quite a short feeling episode, but densely packed.

And if you’re British and don’t feel a bit of a See You Next Tuesday about partition? I don’t know how to help you.

Mm. I’m gonna say I didn’t like this particular episode. A lot of time spent on out of character backstory dump, and not even a terribly interesting one. I would have preferred more time spent at the trains and our hero having a chance to observe the events for herself and not just the aftermath.

God... D+ shows have a continuing problem of terrible pacing, with some episodes ending on what would be act breaks on other shows.

This episode though? This one almost ended during a line of dialogue. I was shocked how quickly the credits came up.

They need to get out of this 6 episode bull gak and start making stories with the right length and pacing.

As for the episode itself, it resolved its central conflict in an incredibly pathetic/anticlimactic manner. Such a let down. And we didn't really learn anything.

From the moment Kamala went back in time we knew what role she'd play, and then we got to see something we already knew would happen. It was a waste of less than 35m (again, Disney, FFS, if you're going to rigidly stick to 6 episodes, then let 'em breathe and let them be 60m long).

I agree with H.B.M.C. The momentum has kind of drained out of the show with that episode, which is a pseudo origin story, but halfway through the season and not really showing the origin of anything particularly interesting. I hope they get back on track pretty quickly.

We pretty much already knew the whole "followed the stars" thing her grandmother spoke about was the bangle. I'm not sure we needed a whole time travel episode to show that and establish that the villains are indeed the villains, having seen that literally one episode ago. The one big revelation about the past seems fairly inconsequential, TBH.

Maybe the problem is the also the lack of scenes involving Kamala's family (her modern day one, at least). Those scenes have been really entertaining so far and have done a good job getting the tone right. Their absence was felt here.

We all know the concept of "show, don't tell" in television/cinema.

Ms. Marvel already told us the story of the little girl following the stars. There was no point in then showing us.

This was't some Interstellar-level plot twist where the audience goes "Ah-hah!" as they figure it out. We knew Kamala would be responsible.

I am through Ep 5 of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and I am really digging it.

Lot's of good sub-text and messaging to chew on in this one so far.

I have a feeling the final episode will be a let down though.....

 Easy E wrote:
I am through Ep 5 of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and I am really digging it.

Lot's of good sub-text and messaging to chew on in this one so far.

I have a feeling the final episode will be a let down though.....

I don't think it is. I think FaWS sticks the landing really well. YMMV.