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I have no idea why everyone is arguing about female models when you should be discussing the literal dumpster fire of lore given to us here. "That whole Nagash curse thing was resolved, you know, the one that stopped Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr, but now big ol' Belakor is all like, hey I wanna do that!, and made some big scary clouds that stop the Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr."

GW is literally feeding us baby food in the lore department lol.
   
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Richmond, VA

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Those stormcast do look good. I hope they don't make them 50% women, though.


They might, literally half of the new Thunder Force Armoured Sigmarines have boobplate armor, look closely: they are the golden and black coloured ones.


Yes, I saw that. Two of the previewed ones are female, and they have different bodies. So if there's 5 of them to a sprue, that means at least 40% of them will be female, which is way too many.


Why, pray tell?


Misogyny. That's why.
   
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 Scottywan82 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Those stormcast do look good. I hope they don't make them 50% women, though.


They might, literally half of the new Thunder Force Armoured Sigmarines have boobplate armor, look closely: they are the golden and black coloured ones.


Yes, I saw that. Two of the previewed ones are female, and they have different bodies. So if there's 5 of them to a sprue, that means at least 40% of them will be female, which is way too many.


Why, pray tell?


Misogyny. That's why.


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Chicago, Illinois

JSG wrote:
 RaptorusRex wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Those stormcast do look good. I hope they don't make them 50% women, though.


Women are half the species.


TBF that percentage drops dramatically when you make it "humanities greatest (wartime) heroes".


Thats not how stormcasts are selected. Anyone can be a Stormcast from a Doctor to a Shoemaker to a soldier.
   
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I have no idea why everyone is arguing about female models when you should be discussing the literal dumpster fire of lore given to us here. "That whole Nagash curse thing was resolved, you know, the one that stopped Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr, but now big ol' Belakor is all like, hey I wanna do that!, and made some big scary clouds that stop the Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr."

GW is literally feeding us baby food in the lore department lol.


And now these primariscast can bypass that because reasons and we should care… why?

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Because it's quite literally an arms race. The reforging was meant to be a trump card, a way to keep the majority of the Stormcasts in action at all times. Now not only has one way been found to disrupt it but multiple ways. The armour may beat Be'lakor's storm, but all it's done is forced a work around.

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Chicago, Illinois

I have no idea why people are judging something without any context of the actual lore.

We do not have the full picture, getting angry over nothing is just childish. Especially because NAgash's curse was resolved by the God of Light and Allarielle and not by the Sigmarites. So again we are violating the "saturday morning cartoon." With actual consequences for actions. Everyone is talking about oh well "There are no drawbacks see!" We don't even know what the process entails. It might strengthen the problems already present in the stormcasts. Stop judging something if you lack proper context and calling the lore bad, or chilidish if you haven't read it. There is a massive difference between writing to ensure that 13 years old can pick it up, and writing like a 13 year old and some folks on here are getting that extremely mixed around and its not helping this conversation. Please steer this into a more thoughtful discussion. This all lazy critique and armchair commandering.

This is extremely toxic to everyone involved, there is no right answer to how to do the lore right=.

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 His Master's Voice wrote:

We went from bad to worse to mandatory corporate correctional hours for nerds.

Do we need those Twitter takes here? Dakka's supposed to be a classier gutter.


Seems I struck a nerve. Go figure
   
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I have no idea why everyone is arguing about female models when you should be discussing the literal dumpster fire of lore given to us here. "That whole Nagash curse thing was resolved, you know, the one that stopped Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr, but now big ol' Belakor is all like, hey I wanna do that!, and made some big scary clouds that stop the Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr."

GW is literally feeding us baby food in the lore department lol.


What? I'm not super knowledgeable about AOS lore, but I'm pretty sure the Necroquake didn't really impact the reforging process of Stormcast. Otherwise, Morathi would have just killed the stormcast in her broken realms book. The Necroquake was more about accidentally unleashing magic (mostly death magic) and wasn't targeted at the SE.

Be'lakor's spell actually did have a big impact on Stormcasts. For about a month I guess, until this was announced. But I guess it still have ramifications. It's not like with primaris where normal stormcast can easily be made into the newer version. Unless they're in Azyr, the majority of the stormcast in the realms are probably stuck on their "one-life" forging, until the Be'lakor stuff is resolved.

But yeah, weird choice to begin by negating the huge thing Be'lakor did. Like, this was the second from last book released, and we've already had some sort of solution to the issue.

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San Jose, CA

His Master's Voice wrote:
Spoiler:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
God i hope not. The Daughters are actually interesting rather than the whole "lol look how evil we are" dark elves.


I mean, Dark Elves weren't 'evil' the way Chaos was 'evil'. They were mostly portrayed in a very franderized fashion which made them look like comical villains, instead of the more honest, unvarnished face of a race known for their bloated superiority complex.

 Darkseid wrote:
Given how insecure neckbeards get over more female representation in miniatures shows that GW has been catering to their safe space for far too long. Time for a change.


We went from bad to worse to mandatory corporate correctional hours for nerds.


Do we need those Twitter takes here? Dakka's supposed to be a classier gutter.

The classiest of gutters, no peon feces/urine only pure pure stormcast pee
   
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Nothing wrong with female Stormcasts so far and looking forward to picking up Astreia and Neave, next month in Mortal Realms.

Stormcasts are a modern faction and I see no reason why the army can't have as many Sonjas as there are Conans.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Of all the things to complain about GW, trust the internet reprobates to be complaining about having female models. Another embarrassing day to be a warhammer player.
   
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 Darkseid wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:

We went from bad to worse to mandatory corporate correctional hours for nerds.

Do we need those Twitter takes here? Dakka's supposed to be a classier gutter.


Seems I struck a nerve. Go figure


I won't pretend you didn't.

I'm not a fan of corporate entities telling their customers what they should like and buy. That's not how that relationship should ever work.

Not a fan of people who think corporations should lead the charge on social change either.
   
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Wow, Age of Sigmar 3! Shocking, after days of surprise after... well, ok, the tanith and cadian mini-releases are a surprise. Not much else though.

On the up side, the new improved Sigmarines look really good. I'm kind of impressed by the new models.

I could do without the comet-halo, the gigantic ruin and the silly name, but the hero model is really nice, as are the rank and file.

I look forward to the swamp monsters.


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Could we get some mods on the misogyny though? Same a bad way to wrap up a preview week.

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Ireland

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I have no idea why everyone is arguing about female models when you should be discussing the literal dumpster fire of lore given to us here. "That whole Nagash curse thing was resolved, you know, the one that stopped Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr, but now big ol' Belakor is all like, hey I wanna do that!, and made some big scary clouds that stop the Stormcast souls from reaching Azyr."

GW is literally feeding us baby food in the lore department lol.


I'm still shocked that people take the Lore seriously enough to get worked up over. GW's Lore while entertaining, is geared towards making a setting of perpetual conflict... so they can sell more models. It is not to be taken seriously or viewed beyond surface level.

This is why it is bad, and comical.

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Canada

Voss wrote:
Wow, Age of Sigmar 3! Shocking, after days of surprise after... well, ok, the tanith and cadian mini-releases are a surprise. Not much else though.

On the up side, the new improved Sigmarines look really good. I'm kind of impressed by the new models.

I could do without the comet-halo, the gigantic ruin and the silly name, but the hero model is really nice, as are the rank and file.

I look forward to the swamp monsters.


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Could we get some mods on the misogyny though? Same a bad way to wrap up a preview week.


What misogyny?

I see some people are not a fan of some female sculpts, and then I see a bunch of people hurling vile insults at them.

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IHateAoS wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow, Age of Sigmar 3! Shocking, after days of surprise after... well, ok, the tanith and cadian mini-releases are a surprise. Not much else though.

On the up side, the new improved Sigmarines look really good. I'm kind of impressed by the new models.

I could do without the comet-halo, the gigantic ruin and the silly name, but the hero model is really nice, as are the rank and file.

I look forward to the swamp monsters.


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Could we get some mods on the misogyny though? Same a bad way to wrap up a preview week.


What misogyny?

I see some people are not a fan of some female sculpts, and then I see a bunch of people hurling vile insults at them.


I saw zero people criticizing the sculpts, ie, 'not being fans' of them. I saw several people stating that women should just be removed, the sculpts just deleted from existence. That _is_ textbook misogyny.

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Voss wrote:
I saw several people stating that women should just be removed.


Who did?
   
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Ireland

I hope the Swamp monsters are Fenbeats. Really liked the old ones back in the 00's.

The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused. 
   
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Lake County, Illinois

IHateAoS wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow, Age of Sigmar 3! Shocking, after days of surprise after... well, ok, the tanith and cadian mini-releases are a surprise. Not much else though.

On the up side, the new improved Sigmarines look really good. I'm kind of impressed by the new models.

I could do without the comet-halo, the gigantic ruin and the silly name, but the hero model is really nice, as are the rank and file.

I look forward to the swamp monsters.


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Could we get some mods on the misogyny though? Same a bad way to wrap up a preview week.


What misogyny?

I see some people are not a fan of some female sculpts, and then I see a bunch of people hurling vile insults at them.


It does seem like there's a lot of childish people (or, to be fair, possibly actual children) who get angry over someone else not liking the same little plastic soldiers.
   
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Voss wrote:
IHateAoS wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow, Age of Sigmar 3! Shocking, after days of surprise after... well, ok, the tanith and cadian mini-releases are a surprise. Not much else though.

On the up side, the new improved Sigmarines look really good. I'm kind of impressed by the new models.

I could do without the comet-halo, the gigantic ruin and the silly name, but the hero model is really nice, as are the rank and file.

I look forward to the swamp monsters.


---
Could we get some mods on the misogyny though? Same a bad way to wrap up a preview week.


What misogyny?

I see some people are not a fan of some female sculpts, and then I see a bunch of people hurling vile insults at them.


I saw zero people criticizing the sculpts, ie, 'not being fans' of them. I saw several people stating that women should just be removed, the sculpts just deleted from existence. That _is_ textbook misogyny.

Best you don't travel outside the US if this is textbook misogyny to you.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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 BertBert wrote:
 zend wrote:

Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast? I understand not liking the first couple they did because the helmetless head sculpts were atrocious, but these look fine.


It's likely not female stormcast in particular, but the influx of female models in Warhammer in general. The topic is a difficult one to discuss for several reasons (which you are likely aware of), but I'll give you my honest take.

Women in the context of combat are inherently unintuitive to me. Yes, Warhammer and AoS are super high fantasy and it's not that female warriors are implausible within the setting, but the ratio is still something to consider. Making 2 out of 10 warriors female sounds about right to me, but even that should be optional.
In my mind, Warhammer is still a derivate of our medieval past, so seeing women participate in warfare to a higher degree than that just doesn't work for me. It's my personal perspective and a biased one at that, but it's not something I can just ignore.

Secondly, there are clear indications that this trend is, at least to some degree, politically motivated. Representation for the sake of representation is a concept I have yet to understand – maybe nobody ever properly explained it to me – and in my case it happens to change whatever I enjoy to its detriment.

Thirdly, this particular issue tends to be discussed with moral grandstanding, self-righteousness and outright unwillingness to consider the other side of the argument. I acknowledge that many people are happy with more female miniatures and I'm not saying that I am right or they are wrong – it's a matter of taste. Being branded as someone who hates women will make me very angry, though, which is why I tend to respond in kind whenever I'm confronted with this accusation. Now, take all of this and consider that it's mostly happening in online spaces where discussion tends to ignore normal conventions anyway, and it's suddenly very clear why discussions are often unneccessarily charged.


TL;DR - Sexism and misogyny trying to rationalize itself.

And of course this led to 3 more pages of shitheels coming out of the woodwork to complain about female representation.

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Does anyone know what these two are? Are they AOS characters or part of one of the boxed games? Or some specialty limited release box set that scalpers will scoop up in seconds?



I like them both but especially the one on the left with the crossbow.

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I'm sure this approach has served you well in school.
   
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 warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what these two are? Are they AOS characters or part of one of the boxed games? Or some specialty limited release box set that scalpers will scoop up in seconds?



I like them both but especially the one on the left with the crossbow.


They're getting released with Broken Realms:Kragnos. Along with the aformentioned and Kroak.
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
I have no idea why people are judging something without any context of the actual lore.

We do not have the full picture, getting angry over nothing is just childish. Especially because NAgash's curse was resolved by the God of Light and Allarielle and not by the Sigmarites. So again we are violating the "saturday morning cartoon." With actual consequences for actions. Everyone is talking about oh well "There are no drawbacks see!" We don't even know what the process entails. It might strengthen the problems already present in the stormcasts. Stop judging something if you lack proper context and calling the lore bad, or chilidish if you haven't read it. There is a massive difference between writing to ensure that 13 years old can pick it up, and writing like a 13 year old and some folks on here are getting that extremely mixed around and its not helping this conversation. Please steer this into a more thoughtful discussion. This all lazy critique and armchair commandering.

This is extremely toxic to everyone involved, there is no right answer to how to do the lore right=.


Then maybe GW should should explain a little more than a blanket statement basically invalidating the removal of the last curse that took 3ish years and a whole edition to lift. How else do they think people are going to take the statement about the Belakor cloud.

Theres nothing wrong with expecting/demanding better from a company that is very capable of doing so.
   
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Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook

Ok. Anecdote time. From yesterday.
I bought the new Underworlds starter, with Stormcasts and Horse Ghost Things. My first AoS purchase, for a bunch of reasons.

Graphite TNG Senior and Junior, both girls, see the models. They had a few comments (These look cool!) But they had a few questions.

In order:

What's this dog bird thing? (Gryph Hound)
Who are the guys in armour (Magic Knights, one of them's a girl)
Why is only one a girl???

I mean, this is literally the next generation of hobbyists. They already have half a box of Sisters of Battle. The Eldest's favourite blood bowl players are Witch Elves.

So yeah. I'm going to say that for demented Grimdark space fantasy and whatever AoS classifies itself as, we should have a fairly large number of women in the battlefield.
   
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‘I’m not a fan of how the female Stormcast look’ would be one thing, but ‘I think there should be a strict quota on female models’ or ‘female fighters is unrealistic’ is a whole other kettle of fish.
   
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Did they mention a timeframe or date for the new AoS releases?

I'm guessing no, but after skimming pages upon page of "too many girls" I gave up.



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Look at geedubs going full social justice! Gotta check all those boxes for the puritans and fanatics. I’m glad I don’t like most of the new storm cast stuff shown so far. The pandering to the “inclusivity, equity, and diversity”crowd continues, but it just means it’s easier not to buy this stuff. The Celestant chick looks enormous, like the lord celestant is her puny little brother.Don’t like the new masks on the stormcasts, or their spears, or that it’s likely going to be a five model box for 65-70bucks, where 40% will be female. Lame, and not at all “representative” of what percentage play this game or collect, OR how many that actually take up arms to fight in the real world. Just unnecessary. But there’s plenty of the old kits around, so that’s a plus. Looking forward to seeing the box, hopefully it’s not overpopulated by female stormcasts that they ironically are making less feminine looking.
   
 
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