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Dread Master wrote:
Look at geedubs going full social justice! Gotta check all those boxes for the puritans and fanatics. I’m glad I don’t like most of the new storm cast stuff shown so far. The pandering to the “inclusivity, equity, and diversity”crowd continues, but it just means it’s easier not to buy this stuff. The Celestant chick looks enormous, like the lord celestant is her puny little brother.Don’t like the new masks on the stormcasts, or their spears, or that it’s likely going to be a five model box for 65-70bucks, where 40% will be female. Lame, and not at all “representative” of what percentage play this game or collect, OR how many that actually take up arms to fight in the real world. Just unnecessary. But there’s plenty of the old kits around, so that’s a plus. Looking forward to seeing the box, hopefully it’s not overpopulated by female stormcasts that they ironically are making less feminine looking.


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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
I have no idea why people are judging something without any context of the actual lore.

We do not have the full picture, getting angry over nothing is just childish. Especially because NAgash's curse was resolved by the God of Light and Allarielle and not by the Sigmarites. So again we are violating the "saturday morning cartoon." With actual consequences for actions. Everyone is talking about oh well "There are no drawbacks see!" We don't even know what the process entails. It might strengthen the problems already present in the stormcasts. Stop judging something if you lack proper context and calling the lore bad, or chilidish if you haven't read it. There is a massive difference between writing to ensure that 13 years old can pick it up, and writing like a 13 year old and some folks on here are getting that extremely mixed around and its not helping this conversation. Please steer this into a more thoughtful discussion. This all lazy critique and armchair commandering.

This is extremely toxic to everyone involved, there is no right answer to how to do the lore right=.


Then maybe GW should should explain a little more than a blanket statement basically invalidating the removal of the last curse that took 3ish years and a whole edition to lift. How else do they think people are going to take the statement about the Belakor cloud.

Theres nothing wrong with expecting/demanding better from a company that is very capable of doing so.


What do you expect them to tell you in a half hour segment? We'll get the info as the articles are released and the full story when the edition hits.
   
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 BertBert wrote:


I'm sure this approach has served you well in school.


Considering I haven't been a student in over a decade and I'm a working professional with a 6-figure salary?

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What is so scary about diversity in models?

That stormcast head with the dreads is super boss.
   
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 BertBert wrote:


I'm sure this approach has served you well in school.


Its served us well. Now please remain ontopic.

Overall Its fine Stormcasts can literally be anyone and are literally empowered by living lightning.
   
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 TalonZahn wrote:
Did they mention a timeframe or date for the new AoS releases?

I'm guessing no, but after skimming pages upon page of "too many girls" I gave up.


Adam mentioned updates in the following weeks and months. So i'd guess not until around July/August time.
   
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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
What is so scary about diversity in models?

That stormcast head with the dreads is super boss.


I want more of them, along with like pony tails or ronin looks, I just want stormcasts with ronin hats and samurai swords. Or a faction that is just japanese culture mixed with Pacific Tribes. Which would be... fun.

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More interested in who the secret baddies are. I'd go crazy if its Fimirs and Zoats.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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SamusDrake wrote:
More interested in who the secret baddies are. I'd go crazy if its Fimirs and Zoats.



there are three theories :

Malerion Dark Elves - Umbraneth
Cyclops Frimir
Mongolian Hobgoblins.

I am more in favor of Fimir because they sound awesome. And they would be the first cyclopian race in Warhammer to be by itself. And we really need an evil destruction faction that likes to slaughter and murder people. I am guessing it will be a mixture of Fimir and Hobgoblins.

But again thats only based on rumors i've read but considering some of these rumors have been right on the money so far. I am hoping we see more like it.

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I think its going to be Fimir and Boglars if theres a "chaff" sub-faction involved, but I would think any such faction runs the risk of being too much like Gloomspite Gitz in playstyle

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Would be good to have something else than greenskins

Otherwise, about the Stormcast, I like their new look. And I'm glad there are girls amongst their ranks. We already had them with Sacrosanct Chamber, sure, but I wasn't that fond of robed warriors. Having full armored warriors is better to me.

And their shield really rocks with that design.

If we can have some ranged warriors as well (guess we can have stormguns or something ? ) and another cavalry, it would be perfect. Maybe other angelic troops ?
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
I think its going to be Fimir and Boglars if theres a "chaff" sub-faction involved, but I would think any such faction runs the risk of being too much like Gloomspite Gitz in playstyle




Plus they posted this. SO I am hoping they have a subfaction, and a main faction that are swamp creatures that are fething terrifying.

I am hoping that its like a unique faction, it probably will be as GW seems to not like being repetitive.


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Sarouan wrote:
Would be good to have something else than greenskins

Otherwise, about the Stormcast, I like their new look. And I'm glad there are girls amongst their ranks. We already had them with Sacrosanct Chamber, sure, but I wasn't that fond of robed warriors. Having full armored warriors is better to me.

And their shield really rocks with that design.

If we can have some ranged warriors as well (guess we can have stormguns or something ? ) and another cavalry, it would be perfect. Maybe other angelic troops ?


I am hoping for like a Flying cav option, and then having a golem like unit. But yeah an angelic unit would be great. I mean we have Prosecutors but I hope we have like elite prosecutors.

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I think the new stormcast character Yndrasta looks epic. I'd love to include one in a non-stormcast army with some conversion.

Along with her I think my favourite models are Belladama, Radukar and the freaky delaque models, all of which are going to make it into my collection at some point. I'm particularly keen to see what I can do with the delaque models in my admech and GSC armies

I think that today's criticism of additional female stormcast warriors is entirely unwarranted. There's no reason they can't be female so why does it matter that they are? I could appreciate the criticism of female Astartes or male sororitas but the AoS fiction doesn't include gender restrictions and they're wearing some sort of magical soul powered battle plate so the physicality of the wearer doesn't affect their efficacy as warriors.

I don't remember any similar complaints in WHFB when we got witch elves, Valkyr, Morathi, sisters of avelorn or any number of the elf or eldar units that include a proportion obviously female sculpts.

If there's a background reason for the dislike of female stormcast models and if this is a retcon I'd like to hear it, otherwise these comments just seems like a product of RL culture war that needs to be kept out of the hobby and the forum.

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
Did they mention a timeframe or date for the new AoS releases?

I'm guessing no, but after skimming pages upon page of "too many girls" I gave up.


Adam mentioned updates in the following weeks and months. So i'd guess not until around July/August time.


Thanks!

Maybe it will be the 3rd Quarter boxed set like they used to do?

Have some time to save up money then.



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 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
 BertBert wrote:


I'm sure this approach has served you well in school.


Considering I haven't been a student in over a decade and I'm a working professional with a 6-figure salary?


Wow.... Can I have some money ?

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 zend wrote:


Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?
I think the more pertinent question is why is there pushback in a GW IP when it most others it's either applauded or taken so much for granted that it's barely worth comment?

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
I have no idea why people are judging something without any context of the actual lore.

We do not have the full picture, getting angry over nothing is just childish. Especially because NAgash's curse was resolved by the God of Light and Allarielle and not by the Sigmarites. So again we are violating the "saturday morning cartoon." With actual consequences for actions. Everyone is talking about oh well "There are no drawbacks see!" We don't even know what the process entails. It might strengthen the problems already present in the stormcasts. Stop judging something if you lack proper context and calling the lore bad, or chilidish if you haven't read it. There is a massive difference between writing to ensure that 13 years old can pick it up, and writing like a 13 year old and some folks on here are getting that extremely mixed around and its not helping this conversation. Please steer this into a more thoughtful discussion. This all lazy critique and armchair commandering.

This is extremely toxic to everyone involved, there is no right answer to how to do the lore right=.


Then maybe GW should should explain a little more than a blanket statement basically invalidating the removal of the last curse that took 3ish years and a whole edition to lift. How else do they think people are going to take the statement about the Belakor cloud.

Theres nothing wrong with expecting/demanding better from a company that is very capable of doing so.


What do you expect them to tell you in a half hour segment? We'll get the info as the articles are released and the full story when the edition hits.


While I freely admit I have only a casual knowledge of the AOS lore I don't anticipate GW producing a satisfactory explanation in the lore. I think what often gets overlooked in lore discussions/comparisons with AOS and WHFB is how reliant WHFB was on the familiarity of its alternate European history base. WHFB was clearly grounded in easily recognized human societies that were easily scaled up with as many layers of fantasy lore that GW or the hobbyist wanted to add. The AOS setting is all fantastical all the time. The realms all seem very magical/mythical to the extent that I think it's difficult for GW to justify how normal creatures exist within them which is reflected in the game having an ever growing cast of superhuman powerful creatures and character models that are either gods or have god level abilities. The realms are so unique that they aren't even physically connected in a singular world setting because that would be too difficult to justify in the lore so we have realm gates and magical teleportation to allow factions to fight each other. If I field my old WHFB Empire army or Bretonnian army as a Free Guild army could my blocks of troops successfully take on Kragnos or one of the other centerpiece models of an opposing faction? I doubt it. So once you start putting models like that on the table it becomes god level hero hammer where troops are just cannon fodder. If the plan is to keep releasing new models that raise the power level/degree of high fantasy it will continue to be difficult to write internally consistent explanations for them in the lore that are more than just a superficial because it's more magically powerful than the old thing was.

I like the aesthetic of the Stormcast Eternals and there's a lot of cool looking AOS models and GW has been a part of my hobby for decades but I'll never be able to get into AOS as long as it continues to have an ever rising price tag for a game whose meta is an arms race of constant churn.

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Heck even female humans were established as being strong characters within the first pages of the Realmgate Wars as the default leader of the band of humans fleeing Chaos was a woman. And yes they were fleeing because the world was blasted to bits by Chaos so just being alive was an achievement, let along leading people in a bid to find lands that weren't corrupted and to safety.


And yeah Stormcast were identified as having almost no gender, religious or social bias in terms of who can join their ranks. Sigmar has 0 care for such things, all he seeks is a powerful soul with belief in him and a burning desire to fight chaos (one which he then fuels).




There are armies in AoS with bias - Skaven are all male (though we've hints in the lore that some of the female breeders might be smarter than the Skaven males think and that is a wonderful hook that could one day snare a female or coven rising to overt power).

Daughters of Khaine are almost all female save for a few males that can wield magic, who wear icons of power and control that Morathi blesses to them which lets her kill them with a thought if they ever consider rising up.


I'm 100% all for factions having their own flavour, but even within the short period of lore we have Stormcast are well established to have women in their ranks as a normal element.

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 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.


I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogyny and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

I have no real horse in this race... Couldn't give two gaks about AOS model range...(apart from vanari dawn riders which make excellent shining spears conversions). I think the bird lady hairstyle looks very familiar though .

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.


I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogamy and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

I have no real horse in this race... Couldn't give two gaks about AOS model range...(apart from vanari dawn riders which make excellent shining spears conversions). I think the bird lady hairstyle looks very familiar though .


Except wargaming DOES have a huge sexism problem and if you're denying that you're part of the problem.
   
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 Azreal13 wrote:
 zend wrote:


Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?
I think the more pertinent question is why is there pushback in a GW IP when it most others it's either applauded or taken so much for granted that it's barely worth comment?


The vast majority of people on Dakka have been celebrating the inclusion of female Stormcasts ever since their first appearance in... the Underworlds warband I think?

A couple dissenting voices do not qualify as 'pushback'.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
So what are Stormcast in old armour supposed to be now? The ones Sigmar doesn't like well enough to give them a respawn suit?

Don't think about it. Buy new ones.

I mean, I'd do it anyway, they look so much better than the fatcast.
   
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 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.


I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogamy and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

I have no real horse in this race... Couldn't give two gaks about AOS model range...(apart from vanari dawn riders which make excellent shining spears conversions). I think the bird lady hairstyle looks very familiar though .


Except wargaming DOES have a huge sexism problem and if you're denying that you're part of the problem.


Easy, keyboard crusader. We have all received the signal of your virtue. Now go paint some toy soldiers and cool off.
   
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 Argive wrote:

I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogyny and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

It was not an insult, it was merely a statement of fact. If people don't want to be called sexist, then that is very easy to achieve: they can stop saying sexist things and stop defending sexist behaviour.

Seriously, misogyny is far bigger problem in this hobby than double turns!


   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
 zend wrote:


Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?
I think the more pertinent question is why is there pushback in a GW IP when it most others it's either applauded or taken so much for granted that it's barely worth comment?


The vast majority of people on Dakka have been celebrating the inclusion of female Stormcasts ever since their first appearance in... the Underworlds warband I think?

A couple dissenting voices do not qualify as 'pushback'.

I believe the first female Stormcast was Neave Blacktalon in the Blightwar box back in 2017.

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Cronch wrote:

I mean, I'd do it anyway, they look so much better than the fatcast.


Indeed. I'd really like to see these new Stormcast next to the old ones. I hope they don't look too awkward together.



   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
 zend wrote:


Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?
I think the more pertinent question is why is there pushback in a GW IP when it most others it's either applauded or taken so much for granted that it's barely worth comment?


The vast majority of people on Dakka have been celebrating the inclusion of female Stormcasts ever since their first appearance in... the Underworlds warband I think?

A couple dissenting voices do not qualify as 'pushback'.


Firstly, that's entirely subjective.

Secondly, you're clearly reading a different version of this board.

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Dread Master wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.


I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogamy and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

I have no real horse in this race... Couldn't give two gaks about AOS model range...(apart from vanari dawn riders which make excellent shining spears conversions). I think the bird lady hairstyle looks very familiar though .


Except wargaming DOES have a huge sexism problem and if you're denying that you're part of the problem.


Easy, keyboard crusader. We have all received the signal of your virtue. Now go paint some toy soldiers and cool off.

Congrats on having no idea how to talk to a woman. Did it even cross your mind we exist on this forum?

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