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Since the event is over and the thread has devolved into whatever this is, I think it's probably time to Lock the thread.

Or at the very least, change the subject. :/
   
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 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.


I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogamy and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

I have no real horse in this race... Couldn't give two gaks about AOS model range...(apart from vanari dawn riders which make excellent shining spears conversions). I think the bird lady hairstyle looks very familiar though .


Except wargaming DOES have a huge sexism problem and if you're denying that you're part of the problem.


You dont think there is anything wrong with framing your response in such a way where by default any counter argument or non compliant response amounts to "being the problem"?

Sorry mate but I just disagree with your assessment that wargaming has a HUGE sexism problem. And this does not make me any of the things that I mentioned above.

I am happy to discuss this in more depth on PM.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Dread Master wrote:
Look at geedubs going full social justice! Gotta check all those boxes for the puritans and fanatics. I’m glad I don’t like most of the new storm cast stuff shown so far. The pandering to the “inclusivity, equity, and diversity”crowd continues, but it just means it’s easier not to buy this stuff. The Celestant chick looks enormous, like the lord celestant is her puny little brother.Don’t like the new masks on the stormcasts, or their spears, or that it’s likely going to be a five model box for 65-70bucks, where 40% will be female. Lame, and not at all “representative” of what percentage play this game or collect, OR how many that actually take up arms to fight in the real world. Just unnecessary. But there’s plenty of the old kits around, so that’s a plus. Looking forward to seeing the box, hopefully it’s not overpopulated by female stormcasts that they ironically are making less feminine looking.


And responses like this are exactly why we both need more women playing the hobby and more female sculpts in the various miniature ranges that GW produces. I don't know why you're so dead set against diversity and being more inclusive in the hobby, but I'm all for both of those things. More women and people in general playing and collecting Warhammer just means even more awesome opponents to play against and hobbyists to talk to.
   
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 Argive wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 TheWaspinator wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 zend wrote:
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast?

Oh, that's easy to answer. Sexism. There is no point pretending that it is anything else. There isn't even the fig leaf of 'muh lore' like with the Marines, as female Stormcast were established in the lore from the get go.


Pretty much. It's kind of hilarious to see people get all offended when they're called out on it.


I think its unconstructive to call people insults and what not, just because when they have some views contrary to their viewpoints.
Throwing around things like misogamy and sexism like its the name of tour favourite cereal kind of cheapens those things, and really does nothing to prevent actual Sexism and Mysoginy IMO. Food for thought guys..

I have no real horse in this race... Couldn't give two gaks about AOS model range...(apart from vanari dawn riders which make excellent shining spears conversions). I think the bird lady hairstyle looks very familiar though .


Except wargaming DOES have a huge sexism problem and if you're denying that you're part of the problem.


You dont think there is anything wrong with framing your response in such a way where by default any counter argument or non compliant response amounts to "being the problem"?

Sorry mate but I just disagree with your assessment that wargaming has a HUGE sexism problem. And this does not make me any of the things that I mentioned above.

I am happy to discuss this in more depth on PM.


No thanks, I prefer not to PM people who deny reality.
   
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Unlike the other stormcast shown, he has a scenic base. And what looks like an orruk glyph on the ground. I really hope it's not a greenskin faction, but fimir. But that definitely looks very orruk-y
   
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The Eldar type races have always had female models, it makes sense that all of the human factions would have them as well. Humanity in 40k or Sigmar are not in a place to refuse a soldier of any sort.

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Out of interest do people genuinely think there will be a new facon? Or they will bundle the various vampire things as the oponents in the box?

Kind of hope blood knights will be available at a discount..

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Ghaz wrote:

I believe the first female Stormcast was Neave Blacktalon in the Blightwar box back in 2017.


You're right. I thought Angharad was first, but Blightwar came out a month before Shadespire.
   
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Feth me, came back to this clownshow after being gone all day!

Gender literally has no influence on my gaming, who really gives a feth about this? New stormcast hero looks Damn sharp even if I couldn't care less about a new version of AOS.

Overall feelings of WH fest, underwhelming for me, but thats because my factions weren't highlighted so I'm not going to begrudge those players who are finally seeing models releases for their faction.
Sisters were ok, but sad that old codex is getting replaced already. Happy for ork players, hope your codex gives you what you need.
Tsons and GK, ok...but we know nothing at this point.

Chaos needs a release, Damn. I can wait for Eldar because i want models more than a codex.

Id give the whole thing a 5/10. Nothing really mind blowing....but that's ok.
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:


Unlike the other stormcast shown, he has a scenic base. And what looks like an orruk glyph on the ground. I really hope it's not a greenskin faction, but fimir. But that definitely looks very orruk-y


All I see is a sanguinary guard minus a jetpack.. Literally Cant see anything else.. Wish I could.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
Out of interest do people genuinely think there will be a new facon? Or they will bundle the various vampire things as the oponents in the box?

Kind of hope blood knights will be available at a discount..


I think there's a lot of people hoping Destruction gets some attention and with Vampires now cleaning up most of the Death Grand Alliance into modern plastics (expecting a new varghalf to be part of the vampire release to replace the flesheaters one). It leaves room on the plate to expand and explore Destruction some more and perhaps either bolster and update the orruks or even introduce new ideas and concepts into them. IT could be boggy vampires stealing people away, that certainly fits with vampires and ghouls. At the same time there's all this subtle commentary on Destruction causing a huge shake up of things

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I was just curious why people don’t like the newer female Stormcast to the point that having a 50/50 mix of male/female bodies is an issue. Neave Blacktalon was a bad model, but they’ve gotten significantly better since then and even since the Sacrosanct models at 2.0’s launch. These new models all look great, especially for their conversion possibilities for stuff like AoS-28.

But anyways, new Ork codex... soon....

‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO
‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO

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 Overread wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Out of interest do people genuinely think there will be a new facon? Or they will bundle the various vampire things as the oponents in the box?

Kind of hope blood knights will be available at a discount..


I think there's a lot of people hoping Destruction gets some attention and with Vampires now cleaning up most of the Death Grand Alliance into modern plastics (expecting a new varghalf to be part of the vampire release to replace the flesheaters one). It leaves room on the plate to expand and explore Destruction some more and perhaps either bolster and update the orruks or even introduce new ideas and concepts into them. IT could be boggy vampires stealing people away, that certainly fits with vampires and ghouls. At the same time there's all this subtle commentary on Destruction causing a huge shake up of things


The new giant centaur guy looks awesome but really doesn't fit with gargants or orks. As an outsider I cant fathom why he's not part of beastment faction.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
Since the event is over and the thread has devolved into whatever this is, I think it's probably time to Lock the thread.

Or at the very least, change the subject. :/


I've tried so many times
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


They're getting released with Broken Realms:Kragnos. Along with the aformentioned and Kroak.


Thanks. Are they existing AOS characters then in this ongoing Broken Realms storyline?
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:


Unlike the other stormcast shown, he has a scenic base. And what looks like an orruk glyph on the ground. I really hope it's not a greenskin faction, but fimir. But that definitely looks very orruk-y


Thats probably because he is an easy to build so he will come with a scenic base, as is standard with GW models for the starter kits.
   
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 zend wrote:
I was just curious why people don’t like the newer female Stormcast to the point that having a 50/50 mix of male/female bodies is an issue. Neave Blacktalon was a bad model, but they’ve gotten significantly better since then and even since the Sacrosanct models at 2.0’s launch. These new models all look great, especially for their conversion possibilities for stuff like AoS-28.

But anyways, new Ork codex... soon....

‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO
‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO

Any bets on what the Combat Patrol will include?


My money is on either : New Ork boss in mega armour or (painboy?) as HQ + A truk,+ squad of oldboys, and one of the the buggies - I get confused which buggies because orks. I think that would be a pretty decent army in a box.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Out of interest do people genuinely think there will be a new facon? Or they will bundle the various vampire things as the oponents in the box?

Kind of hope blood knights will be available at a discount..


I think there's a lot of people hoping Destruction gets some attention and with Vampires now cleaning up most of the Death Grand Alliance into modern plastics (expecting a new varghalf to be part of the vampire release to replace the flesheaters one). It leaves room on the plate to expand and explore Destruction some more and perhaps either bolster and update the orruks or even introduce new ideas and concepts into them. IT could be boggy vampires stealing people away, that certainly fits with vampires and ghouls. At the same time there's all this subtle commentary on Destruction causing a huge shake up of things


The new giant centaur guy looks awesome but really doesn't fit with gargants or orks. As an outsider I cant fathom why he's not part of beastment faction.



I mean I don't think anyone outside of GW really fathoms that out either at present

I hope that the lore and perhaps a new faction in Destruction (not necessarily centaur creatures) will start to diversify them.

AT the same time AoS has in general shown far more mingling of races and factions in the lore compared to the Old World, where most kept very much to themselves. This could just be a way to show that, even on the tabletop, this mingling happens within certain circles. It's a neat way to show in-faction species mingling and interactions outside of alliance rules, which are often clumsy ways to represent such (because armies are are balanced on their own and having wide ranging allied forces often min-max breaks things)

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Switching beastemnt to destruction could be a thing. Even in the old world I never really thought of them as chaos in the same way as warriors of chaos were chaos.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Something I should've brought up first is that I do love the new Sigmarine valkyr, great convertion fodder for 40K Saints too. I really like how she stands out with that metallic armour.

I also like the new armour for the Sigmarines too... in part. I still don't like gender-locked armour. I'd get it if they were an entire Brother/Sisterhood, but chiseled pecs and dumb boob armor are not something that I enjoy, despite being a defender of SCE since day 0. I'd rather have them wearing a cardboard box instead of that those dumb looking chest pieces. I know this is a fantasy game (and every fantasy game is "high fantasy"), but it still has to have some logic to itself.

I'd also prefer different boxes of male and female miniatures for anyone who prefers a full male or female force, but that just applies for any game that has forces with that degree of sexual dimorfism.

I also enjoyed the new Sigmarine Termi-Anihilator, and the new spears and shields are much cooler than the cartoony original release, and I also enjoyed that they are refering to Grungni as the author of the new armours: it helps to further connect the fact that Sigmarines can also be dwarfs.

I'm on the Fimir boat too, but I am not sure if they will be Destruction as they used to be in FW or Chaos like in Norsca for TWWH2.

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 Argive wrote:
Switching beastemnt to destruction could be a thing. Even in the old world I never really thought of them as chaos in the same way as warriors of chaos were chaos.


I can't see that happening en-mass unless GW is going to make them cross-grand alliance compatible.

Thing is right now Beastmen have a lot of units within chaos that fit into neat alliance blocks and merge well with chaos god forces. So I can't see them leaving chaos; but perhaps becoming half and half could be done. That said I don't know how much chaos iconography there is on the standard models.

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 Argive wrote:
Switching beastemnt to destruction could be a thing. Even in the old world I never really thought of them as chaos in the same way as warriors of chaos were chaos.


In the old world is was made very clear though. Aren't they intrinsically linked to Chaos anymore in AoS?
   
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 ph34r wrote:
The Eldar type races have always had female models, it makes sense that all of the human factions would have them as well. Humanity in 40k or Sigmar are not in a place to refuse a soldier of any sort.


True, elves seem to be stereotyped as a very egalitarian society and GW extended it into their space elves too. In contrast dwarves seem to be stuck with the stereotype of very strict gender roles in their society to the point of female dwarves being depicted very rarely in games, lore or novels.

I don't understand the reasoning behind not approving of more female stormcast models unless people feel a strong preference for the way Northstar does it with separate boxes of male and female models.

I also don't think it's helpful to push the idea that female hobbyists need to use female models in game. I just let me daughter choose whatever she wants. Yes, she does choose female models but she also chooses male models, monsters, aliens, robots, whatever else she wants. The same way I don't worry about my sons using male and female skins for their FortNite avatars, whatever they want is fine. I don't think the lack of female factions is an obstacle for female hobbyists to play Napoleonics.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
ohh you poor bastard..


And I literally just decided to edit it away, a moment before you posted too...
   
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 Argive wrote:
Switching beastemnt to destruction could be a thing. Even in the old world I never really thought of them as chaos in the same way as warriors of chaos were chaos.


Call me a grognard, but taking the Chaos out of Beastmen would suck hard. They were always conceptually the most interesting faction of Chaos - the forever rejected, forever spiteful firstborn, feeding on the scraps of the 'love' their parent lavishes on others.

GOATMAN SMASH just doesn't seem like a particularly interesting premise when ORC SMASH already exists.
   
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 zend wrote:
I was just curious why people don’t like the newer female Stormcast to the point that having a 50/50 mix of male/female bodies is an issue. Neave Blacktalon was a bad model, but they’ve gotten significantly better since then and even since the Sacrosanct models at 2.0’s launch. These new models all look great, especially for their conversion possibilities for stuff like AoS-28.

But anyways, new Ork codex... soon....

‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO
‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO

Any bets on what the Combat Patrol will include?


I don't care what they do to Stormcast personally, but I can understand why people might have a problem with it. If an Empire unit was 50/50 male and female I wouldn't buy it, unless I could swap the females with someone. Separate boxes are the best of both worlds, but we all know the females wouldn't sell enough to justify it, which opens up some cruel realities that people aren't ready to cope with.

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Overread wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Switching beastemnt to destruction could be a thing. Even in the old world I never really thought of them as chaos in the same way as warriors of chaos were chaos.


I can't see that happening en-mass unless GW is going to make them cross-grand alliance compatible.

Thing is right now Beastmen have a lot of units within chaos that fit into neat alliance blocks and merge well with chaos god forces. So I can't see them leaving chaos; but perhaps becoming half and half could be done. That said I don't know how much chaos iconography there is on the standard models.


BertBert wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Switching beastemnt to destruction could be a thing. Even in the old world I never really thought of them as chaos in the same way as warriors of chaos were chaos.


In the old world is was made very clear though. Aren't they intrinsically linked to Chaos anymore in AoS?


hear me out here..
From a purely personal viewpoint. Beastmen always struck me more as "beasts" then men if you catch my drift. Like they really love wreck things but thats coz thats how they are ( alot like orks) amd not in order to achieve goals. I suppose their "hatred" is the tie to chaos whereas greenskins just do it "coz we iz orks init"

I would like to caveat this that I never collected beastmen and dont own their books as im a HE player. My ramblings...

BUT more pertinent, I think this situation is symptom of the "grand alliance" concept. Its one of the main things that really puts me off AOS. And it seems Kragnos was shoe horned into destruction because destruction just didn't really have a main centrepiece model named hero figure head. Or did they ?

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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