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http://gt.us.games-workshop.com/2007/baltimore_coverage/default.htm

And, of course, the statistics links don't work.

Damnit, Malfred. This is all your fault.

I will wait for the results before I get in my soapbox, but I am getting it out of the garage, and getting it ready.

Hello:

We're aware of the problem and will address it on Monday.

Thanks,

Rich Curren 
GWUS Web Manager

Thank you, Mr. Cullen.

Curren

Looks like the Stats are up now.

in Baltimore at the 40k tournament, I ended up with 97 battle points and only 11th place.

I guess I can only win best general, so I might as well take the hardest army I can and crush 5 people and make their GT experience miserable.

2007 overall

mike 1st with 1475 (toledo)
scott 2nd with 1225
rick 3rd with 1100
greg 4th with 800 (toledo)
troy 5th with 725
pete 6th with 600 (toledo)

well 3 of the top 6 go to the toledo guys. impressive showing from one adepticon team.

I didn't finish too far down. I did see what really attracted the judges regarding painting, so I've found something to work on for next year. I got to play Greg in round 2 and he was a great guy to game with. He played a very tight game. It just wasn't meant to be for me when he kept making successful psychic tests to use Lash despite me having Eldrad on the table. Regardless of my outcome, I played 5 great games and got to hang out with my buddies.

Blackmoor wrote:in Baltimore at the 40k tournament, I ended up with 97 battle points and only 11th place.

I guess I can only win best general, so I might as well take the hardest army I can and crush 5 people and make their GT experience miserable.

nope, not gonna win that either.

best general combines battle and sportsmanship score (at least in previos years).

the rulespacket doesn't mention how best general was scored this year.

take care,
jsa

@Blackmoor,
I cannot figure out how Mike's army, that Pete was playing, got 15 more painting points than your army. I think Mike's Chaos are well painted but nothing stands out, no conversions catch the eye. Maybe someone can explain to me what makes that army consistently worth 40 painting points. The guy that won the Baltimore GT's best painted award got a 40 on painting too. Maybe you could have told the judges that Mike painted your army too, I bet it would have helped your score.

Normally 97 battle points will get you best general, but you had the misfortune of playing in a GT where Scott Simpson got 100 battle points. To the best of my knowledge that has only happened one other time. What makes Scott's performance even more impressive is that he got max sportsmanship points too! That is unbelievable.

BTW, your sportsmanship score was WAY below the average, what happened there Allan? I would point to that as the main reason that you came in 11th place.

Darrian

I saw Scott's Army at the Necro and Atlanta gamesday and I thought it was way better than the paint score they gave it. Scott is a great gamer to play and a superb tactician. He is perhaps one of the top Tau players in the country and getting 100 in battle with Tau is very impressive along with the fact the army is very balanced.

Darrian13 wrote:@Blackmoor,
Normally 97 battle points will get you best general, but you had the misfortune of playing in a GT where Scott Simpson got 100 battle points. To the best of my knowledge that has only happened one other time. What makes Scott's performance even more impressive is that he got max sportsmanship points too! That is unbelievable.
Darrian

I can think of two other times this has happened. This year with Bill Kim and a few years ago with Marc Parker

100 battlepoints is nice no matter how you slice it.

- G

#1. I screwed up and should have gotten 100 battle points, but I read the 3rd mission wrong and for some reason I thought I needed to keep the suicide squad alive, so I put it on my fortuned Dark Reapers at the back of the table.

#2. As far as Greg’s and Mike’s paint jobs go, they have a very good looking army. There was some talk that they deserved the 35 paint score that they received at the Las Vegas GT, and not the 40 that only the top tier armies should get. I am not a paint judge, and I have no idea what they are looking for. But I am realistic of my paint jobs and I belong around the 25 point range. I played 2 of Da Boyz, (James Woodcock and Chris Courtney, and they both deserve their 40 score in painting.)
Greg’s Army:




Mike/Peter







#3. How come Chris Courtney won best painting, and Rick Sidehbotham and Paul Miglino scored a 45 in painting to Chris’s 40?

#4, I played next to Scott Simpson in game #5 when he was on Table #1 and I was on #2. I can say that his army is painted very well, and his army should be up in the 30 point range like it did in Chicago. To add to that he receives 4 Player’s Choice votes, so I was surprised that it scored only 25 painting score.



Edit: I think he updated them since these pictures. I thought they had a camo pattern added.

#5. I have no idea why my sportsmanship is so low. I normally just sit and think and I am so tired that I don’t do much else. I scored a 44 at the Las Vegas GT, and 36 at Baltimore. That is an average of 7 points a game, so who knows. Maybe it was my cheesy army. In Las Vegas I took 3 Guardian squads, and 1 Dire Avenger squad. In Baltimore I switched it up to taking 2 Guardian squads and 2 Dire Avengers squads.

#6, I was just kidding about taking a cheesy army and crushing people. I just don’t have it in me to take a cheesy army. But I will spend the next few months sequestered away, and painting my butt off to be ready for next years Tournament season where paint scores will not stop me from winning!

[quote=Blackmoor#3. How come Chris Courtney won best painting, and Rick Sidehbotham and Paul Miglino scored a 45 in painting to Chris’s 40?

Scott's army does look like it deserved 5 more points. As for Mike and Greg's models, if they were more consistant(oblits) than I would say a 40 is cool, but I am going to have to say IMO that should bring it down by 5.

albinoork wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:#3. How come Chris Courtney won best painting, and Rick Sidehbotham and Paul Miglino scored a 45 in painting to Chris’s 40?

rick and paul did not paint their own armies.

Still, a 40 is the most points you can score. That means that your army is at the top of the heap.

so far I've heard in this thread:

"blah blah blah... They really need to switch all of the tournaments to Hard Boys format and tell the munchkins to shut up, man up and play the frikkin game."

@Blackheart, what you have so far heard is the posters trying to figure out how the subjective part of the scoring is done. The battle poins are easy to understand, the sportsmanship is also fine because your opponent judges you based on your game, but no one seems to understand how the judges score painting. I am all for painting being a part of the overall score, but I would love for there to be a more objective system to be used.

Darrian

Yeah Blackheart, what you should be hearing is more or less the opposite: people discussing painting scores and looking for any rhyme or reason. Some of it might be sour grapes, but I think everybody has been pretty humble and honest about their painting.

I've actually played against that chaos army, and it looks way better on the tabletop. It's a very crisp and clean, but it does lack a "look at me, I'm awesome" quality the really top notch GT armies tend to have.

I hear team toledo will not be touring next year so it will open up a few spots for you lesser players. Well that is unless they score a bunch of points at adepticon.

FWIW, I think Greg's (I don't know any of these people) army is the best out of those shots. It really stands out in the Oblits, where Greg's models have much better depth in the armor plates, and better work on the muscle/glue stuff. Mike/Peter's Oblits have some head swaps and weapon mods, which is nice, and makes them look less generic, but the paintwork is lackluster. Very drybrush-ish. Their bikers have some nice aspects, some good pop in the exhaust color choices, and the leg armor on the bikers is nice, but there's places where the color choices don't define the shape of the bike enough.

The Tau stuff is certainly clean, and with a nice color scheme, but that's about it. It needs more highlighting to really show off some skill. The terrain piece on the Piranha base is nice, makes me wonder why some of that technique didn't get applied elsewhere.


Out of curiousity, how many Lashes did the winner have in his list?

skkipper wrote:I hear team toledo will not be touring next year so it will open up a few spots for you lesser players. Well that is unless they score a bunch of points at adepticon.

If that is true, that is too bad.

I want to play those guys as well as Marc Parker and Scott Simpson.

We always end up on the top tables, and I keep on missing the Toledo boys though. At Baltimore Brad was on Table #1, I was on table #2, Greg was on Table #3 and Pete was on Table #4.

I was only able to play Greg once, and that was at Gamesday LA, and I almost beat him by 10 points, but ended up with a tie.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/181782.page

It looks like bringing a pro painted army is necessary now to do well in the circuit. Thanks GW!

- G

hasn't painting been the most controversial thing over the years?

my own observation is that if you don't paint it yourself, you should get a goose egg. (of course then you have the less scrupulous that would lie about it) I also think there should be an award for "playing hard" an award for "being a good sportsman" an award for "painting" and an overall award for the best of all 3. 4 awards available to those who care to try. you know?

Painting is the most subjective thing at Tourneys (apart from Sportsmanship). It is basically art. What is 'good art' to one person (judge) is crap to another... Not much you can do about it other than paint your best and hope your techniques are in line with what the judge thinks is good painting.

Hopefully they keep 'Ardboyz going. If they do I could see it being more coveted than a GT win.

[quote=Blackmoor
Still, a 40 is the most points you can score. That means that your army is at the top of the heap.