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Ancient Chaos Terminator




South Pasadena

Hey guys,
Noob question regarding Skaven, what is the optimal size for clanrat blocks in a 2250 army. I am primarily concerned with the size of the main clanrat block. I figure that is where I need to put my grey seer and I want it to be the strongest block I can get.

Thanks in advance,

Darrian

 
   
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Dakka Veteran




Los Angeles, CA

Most scavent troop blocks will be 25 men. 3 ranks and 6 casualties before you lose a rank bonus.

For the blocks holding the general I usually go to 30 men. More than that is really overkill and the extra 5 will gain you almost nothing (unless you are facking a similar block of 30 in your oponent's crappy troops)

Slaves are best at 20 or 25. more is useless
rat packs...whatever you want, i use 1 rat pack units for fun.
night runners - 5 or 13 is what I use
monks - 10, 18, or 21
censur bearers - 7 at least.
Rat ogers...unknown(nobody can get them to get their money's worth)
Gutter runners - 6 is usually good.
And finally jezzelles - 10(minimize panic) or 5 (minimize loss) both work.

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Toowoomba, Australia

Agree with cypher.

30 clanrats for the general to hide in is sufficient.
Slaves, personally I prefer 25 if your opponent has shooting, 20 if not, remember they are only there to slow the enemy down and divert enemy chargers.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




Long Beach, CA

I put him in with 25, I dont use a grey seer though. I found that magic is too unreliable. You could also go with 20 stormvermin for him. But 30 clanrats would definately be good.

"Do NOT ask me if you can fire the squad you forgot to shoot once we are in the assault phase, EVER!!!"

 
   
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Toowoomba, Australia

Slightly Ot but a grey seer unreliable?

One of the prime candidates to get into the SAD is the Grey seer, 2 warplock enginseers (decked out), BSB combo, add screaming bell for FLAVA!

The above combo gives a withering hail of fantastic magic...

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2025: Games Played:21/Models Bought:299/Sold:294/Painted:199
2024: Games Played:8/Models Bought:393/Sold:519/Painted: 207
2023: Games Played:0/Models Bought:287/Sold:0/Painted: 203
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Ancient Chaos Terminator




South Pasadena

I cannot wait to try the grey seer. That guy is definitely the centerpiece of my planned army.

Darrian

 
   
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Dakka Veteran




Los Angeles, CA

I wouldnt go with screaming bell. Cant leave unit and has a huge kick me sign on it.
Fun but not really a great adition to an army unless your good at protecting it and there are no cannons on the field (cant always count on a 3+ ward save). Archers are also a problem as they can pick the seer off the top of it.

O, and be watchfull of any warp lightgning cannons on the field. I have had mine shoot my greyseer in the back twice.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




Long Beach, CA

WHen I first started I would use the Grey seer on the screaming bell. I had a total of about 12 casting dice. I CONSTANTLY would miscast and the grey seer would not do much of anything at all. He is not like the lizardman mage that cannot miscast. I thought the grey seer was a no brainer. He seems to just piss people off and not really do what he has to when you want him to.

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Raging Rat Ogre




Off Exhibit

A Seer on a Bell seems to be all or nothing. Either he does spectacularily, or he fails miserably.

That said, that's half the fun of playing Skaven. I love the effects of the bell. It's so great when I start killing warmachines with it. Or the time I had a full unit of night goblins run of the table on the first turn due to a 13. And the bell killing the grey seer is always fun too.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




Long Beach, CA

Yeah that is one of the things that I like about the skaven, is that they are wacky in that sense.

"Do NOT ask me if you can fire the squad you forgot to shoot once we are in the assault phase, EVER!!!"

 
   
 
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