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Unsure of the wording in the BBB, but can you 'snipe' specific models with the flame template? Specifically:

My CSM moved up and splashed some striking scorpions with a flamer template. I maxed the number of hit models - as required - and remembered reading on Dakka somewhere that the template cannot be moved and casualties must come from beneath it. I rolled to wound the exarch seperately, made it, and he failed his save, losing the squad's "powerfist." Then I killed the rest of them with rapid fire bolters.

Did I get it right? Or does it only work with ICs attached to a squad? Or did I stiff the guy (ish)?

- Salvage

I was always under the impression that casualties can come from anywhere in a unit, not just under the template, to avoid 'sniping' even with the template

ICs attached to a squad count as part of that unit for shooting IIRC so you dont roll seperately, and use the majority rules.

You owe the guy an apology the next time you see him.

First - You needed to roll to wound first for the whole squad. Only if you cause more wounds than there are a models in the squad can you force a save on a specific model.

Second, any model within range of the flamer is a legal target.

Third, no limitation that casualties must be taken from below the template. They can't move the template, but the position of the template is irrelevant in determining which specific models are removed as casualties.

Actually happy to hear I was wrong, though I really should have just gone with what we know and played it 'nice'

There was a strong chance I could have ToF'd the exarch - 8 bolters + 2 flamers - but that's not in question.

Thanks for setting me straight.

- Salvage

This is my question: does he have to determine how many wounds total have been scored, before saves, or do you have to do different weapons individually, or does it not matter?

Centurian99 wrote: Only if you cause more wounds than there are a models in the squad can you force a save on a specific model.

Actually, you have to score as many wounds as there are models, not more. That's a very common mistatement of the rules.

Tacobake wrote:This is my question: does he have to determine how many wounds total have been scored, before saves, or do you have to do different weapons individually, or does it not matter?

Template and blast weapons have to be done first, and one at a time if I remember correctly.

djones520 wrote:

Tacobake wrote:This is my question: does he have to determine how many wounds total have been scored, before saves, or do you have to do different weapons individually, or does it not matter?

Template and blast weapons have to be done first, and one at a time if I remember correctly.

You do not recall correctly. Template and blast weapons have no special stipulation of when they are resolved unless there are mutiple blast or template weapons in the unit and then you must resolve each blast or template before moving onto the next one. The player is free to resolve the rest of the (regular) shooting at any point they want.

skyth wrote:

Centurian99 wrote: Only if you cause more wounds than there are a models in the squad can you force a save on a specific model.

Actually, you have to score as many wounds as there are models, not more. That's a very common mistatement of the rules.

Good catch - I never remember to utilize Torrent of Fire anyways, as it almost never arises in my favor with any of my armies which are usually based on having lots of smaller units instead of large units that would make Torrent of Fire happen regularly. I just roll when my opponent invokes it.

Yeah, you don't have to use template weapons first, it's just generally a good idea to do so if you want to maximize your viable targets. If you're rolling an assault cannon/heavy flamer dreadnought and you fire the assault cannon first, he can take the casualties out from where the template would go, limiting the number of people you can hit with the flamer. But, if you fire the flamer first, you'll still be able to hit 4 people with the assault cannon, regardless of how many you kill with the flamer.

So you don't have to do templates first, but you're an idiot if you don't.

Akariel wrote:Yeah, you don't have to use template weapons first, it's just generally a good idea to do so if you want to maximize your viable targets. If you're rolling an assault cannon/heavy flamer dreadnought and you fire the assault cannon first, he can take the casualties out from where the template would go, limiting the number of people you can hit with the flamer. But, if you fire the flamer first, you'll still be able to hit 4 people with the assault cannon, regardless of how many you kill with the flamer.

So you don't have to do templates first, but you're an idiot if you don't.

All firing from one unit is similtanious, you determine all hits before moving on to wounds, all wound before any armor saves, etc. you don't do one weapon at a time.

You do if you have multiple templates/blasts.