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2007/11/30 15:39:38
Subject: All on your own
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Regular Dakkanaut
Flower Mound Texas
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My friend plays tau. a squad of crisis suits was unfortunate enoough to be blasted down to a man by a lucky bassalisk shot. After passing his his pinning check, morale check and then his all on your own check, my friend was wondering if he could have his HQ join him so he wouldn't be all on his own any more. This seems fair enough o me but couldn't find anything that explicitly stated that. Thoughts?
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2007/11/30 16:11:41
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Cherry Hill, NJ
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Yes the battle suit commander can join the single man unit.
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2007/11/30 17:04:38
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Executing Exarch
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Nothing stops the IC from joining him, since he's neither pinned nor broken, and once he's not all on his own, then he's not all on his own! All is well.
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2007/11/30 17:10:15
Subject: All on your own
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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Caveat Time A broadside with 1 shield drone is taken as its own unit. I blast off the drone, but leave the suit unscathed. Does the suit ... a) Take a panic check from >25% casaulties? b) Take a man alone test in the following turn(s)? We play yes to a) but we never seem to remember that b) is a possibility. Are we wrong on both counts? Or is the suit in fact by himself now (and is worried by that)? - Salvage
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2007/11/30 17:10:31
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2007/11/30 18:02:53
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Bush? No, Eldar Ranger
stockton, ca aka Da Hood
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i think the rules mention that if a unit starts as a single model unit it never makes a LMS check, but in the situation of the broadside, i'm pretty sure you are subject to both.
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2007/12/02 18:01:33
Subject: All on your own
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Boss_Salvage wrote:Caveat Time
A broadside with 1 shield drone is taken as its own unit. I blast off the drone, but leave the suit unscathed. Does the suit ...
a) Take a panic check from >25% casaulties?
b) Take a man alone test in the following turn(s)?
We play yes to a) but we never seem to remember that b) is a possibility. Are we wrong on both counts? Or is the suit in fact by himself now (and is worried by that)?
- Salvage
If I remember aright, by RAW then A and B are both correct. It seems a bit unfair considering the role of shield drones is to get blown up. I asked GW to clarify but no answer was made.
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2007/12/02 19:07:38
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Both A and B apply, as the Tau codex specifically states (page 31) that drones count for purposes of unit strength, morale checks, etc. SO if the unit starts with a broadside and a drone, the drone dies, that qualifies as 25% casualties ( 1 from 2), does not take the unit below half (1 wound of 3), and leaves the broadside on his own when he started in a unit of two models.
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Don "MONDO"
www.ironfistleague.com
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2007/12/03 03:22:07
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Raging Rat Ogre
Off Exhibit
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Actually, I think you could make an argument that drones don't count for last man standing tests. The Tau book lists three specific things:
-Morale check due to 25% casualties
-Whether a unit count as scoring or not
-Whether a unit is below 50% or not (which is basically the same thing as a scoring unit. Yay redundant rules.)
There's no mention of Last Man Standing checks.
Not saying this is how it should be played, but it can be interpreted that way.
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2007/12/03 04:20:36
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I don't think i would ask for the tests to be made.
I think of the drone as wargear.
For example, I wouldn't ask a a IC lord who had a pair of hounds with him to make a check if one of his dogs died etc...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2007/12/03 04:22:02
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2007/12/03 05:01:38
Subject: Re:All on your own
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Panic wrote:I don't think i would ask for the tests to be made.
I think of the drone as wargear.
For example, I wouldn't ask a a IC lord who had a pair of hounds with him to make a check if one of his dogs died etc...
Well that's generous of you.. but as don mondo pointed out, the rules specifically say that you should..
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2007/12/03 06:00:45
Subject: Re:All on your own
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[ADMIN]
President of the Mat Ward Fan Club
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Phausi wrote:Actually, I think you could make an argument that drones don't count for last man standing tests. The Tau book lists three specific things:
-Morale check due to 25% casualties
-Whether a unit count as scoring or not
-Whether a unit is below 50% or not (which is basically the same thing as a scoring unit. Yay redundant rules.)
There's no mention of Last Man Standing checks.
Not saying this is how it should be played, but it can be interpreted that way.
That is an invalid argument (i.e. not logical).
We have rules that apply to all units in the game so the drone rules would have to specifically state that they are exempt from rules for those rules to not apply to them.
Just because GW lists three ways the drones follow morale doesn't excuse them from the rest of the morale rules. That is a logical fallacy.
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2007/12/03 15:53:30
Subject: All on your own
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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Silly Tau trusting in their drone friends. Thanks for the clarification, I'll be sure to stick it to loner broadsides wherever possible - Salvage
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2007/12/03 15:53:47
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2007/12/04 19:22:36
Subject: All on your own
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Fixture of Dakka
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Honestly, I am of the mind that if a unit COULD be taken as one model (or rather, if one model of the unit could be taken singly) it really shouldn't take last man standing. Not RAW, but I would never ask someone to take a check for that every turn. Just seems a bit much considering the model would be fine going out on his own. I would still ask it to take the morale test for 25% etc. though.
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2007/12/04 19:27:27
Subject: All on your own
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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With how much trouble shield drones give me I think broadsides can deal with a MA test or two, around Turn 4/5 when I finally drop the bot
- Salvage
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