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Okay. Another expirimental list.

HQ:
Command Platoon with a Chimera, Heavy bolter turret, heavy bolter hull with Extra Armour
Inquisitor Lord with CCW and Bolt Pistol, Emporer's Tarot, Psychic Hood, Auspex, Familiar, 2 x Mystics with a Land Raider with Extra Armour

Elites:
Inquisitor CCW and Bolt Pistol, Auspex with 2 Mystics, Land Raider with Extra Armour

Troops:
6 man Grenadier Squad with 2 Plasmaguns mounted in Chimera with Heavy Bolter Turret, Hull Heavy Bolter, Extra Armour
6 man Grenadier Squad with 2 Plasmaguns mounted in Chimera with Heavy Bolter Turret, Hull Heavy Bolter, Extra Armour

Fast Attack:
Hell Hound with Extra Armour
Sentinel with Lascannon
Sentinel with Lascannon

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ with Heavy Bolter Hull, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Extra Armour
Leman Russ with Heavy Bolter Hull, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Extra Armour
Leman Russ with Heavy Bolter Hull, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Extra Armour

Or.

My SAFH:

HQ:
Command Platoon, Junior Officer with Bolt Pistol and CCW, Lascannon

Troops:
Infantry Platoon with 5 Squads, 6 Lascannons, Sharpshooters, Close Order Drill
Infantry Platoon with 5 Squads, 6 Lascannons, Sharpshooters, Close Order Drill

Conscript Platoon, 5 Squads, 5 Heavy Bolters, Close Order Drill
Conscript Platoon, 5 Squads, 5 Heavy Bolters, Close Order Drill

Elite:
2 x Independant Commissars, Power Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Trademark Item

On the first list: Personally I consider a lascannon too many points for a weak target like a Sentinel - why not go Multi-laser and Drop Troops for nuisance value? Give the HQ a missile launcher or something if you want to compensate for the lost AT shot.

I am aware of an errata that upgrades DH Land Raiders to the same stats, abilities and starting vehicle upgrades as the Space Marine one. Because of this, you get PotMS for free and don't need the extra armour.

The other suggestion would be to get rid of the Chimeras for another Land Raider. Max out the high AV targets to increase your vehicles rate of survival, since anti-personel fire can take down a Chimera, this will stress your opponent's AT fire (if you don't constantly use the list and make everyone at the club meta against you ) and allow you to deny an even more potentially significant ammount of victory points.

On the second list, Iron Discipline wouldn't hurt for some redundancy in case one of the Wardens gets whacked. (I always think of Independent Commissars with Conscripts as Penal Battalions, somehow...their habit of executing their subordinates perhaps...) I don't recall the precise numbers, but I remember mathing out that for a basic 6-turn battle, a Trademark Item is a bad bargain versus the probable number of executed Conscripts. Instead, I'd vote for a flag. IG should have a flag - it's like 2 point trademark items. SS I am sure you will find is not particularly useful on line squads. You also need a second Command Squad to make the list legal. If you don't mind sacrificing the Commissars and relying strictly on your Command Squads with Iron Discipline to rally big fleeing Conscript Squads, you've got the points and play in your doctrine to grab Abhumans and Homo Sapiens Variatus for Furious Charge on the Conscripts. Beastmen are pretty good at headbutts apparently - nothing like S4 I5 on the assault for a list with not much choppy.

lol! SS apparently does NOT equal sharpshooters - stupid compund words...

Wow an IG list for 1850 with less than 30 foot soldiers? Looks good on paper with the two LR's but you really aren't delivering anything meaningful into CC, so they are just expensive lascannon platforms that can't hold objectives.

Some nice theoryhammmer, don't think it will work with so many objective based missions out there.

I do like the idea

I really really like the 3 lemans and 2 landraiders idea. Nice idea

Land raiders can hold objectives.

Also: I have no idea how to fit another land raider into this list.

Sekai wrote:Land raiders can hold objectives.

Noooooo, Vanilla Space Marine land Raiders can hold objectives. No such rule exists for Daemon Hunter Land Raiders, Chaos Land Raiders, DA/BA Land Raiders, etc. In fact, for Black Templars, only Land Raider Crusaders can hold Objectives...................

Such lameness! I can't believe it to be true! :(

don_mondo wrote:

Sekai wrote:Land raiders can hold objectives.

Noooooo, Vanilla Space Marine land Raiders can hold objectives. No such rule exists for Daemon Hunter Land Raiders, Chaos Land Raiders, DA/BA Land Raiders, etc. In fact, for Black Templars, only Land Raider Crusaders can hold Objectives...................

You are only talking about taking one as a dedicated Transport correct? otherwise they should be able to hold objectives as they are a vehicle.

True negativemoney, sadly...none of the LR in this list are non-dedicated.

Only the FA and HS choice vehicles can contest.

Negativemoney wrote:

don_mondo wrote:

Sekai wrote:Land raiders can hold objectives.

Noooooo, Vanilla Space Marine land Raiders can hold objectives. No such rule exists for Daemon Hunter Land Raiders, Chaos Land Raiders, DA/BA Land Raiders, etc. In fact, for Black Templars, only Land Raider Crusaders can hold Objectives...................

You are only talking about taking one as a dedicated Transport correct? otherwise they should be able to hold objectives as they are a vehicle.

Oooops. You are correct, my post refers to Land Raiders taken as dedicated transports.

Crap. If I took a land raider as a heavy support choice(if I even can, not looking at the book at this moment) Then I would have to drop a Leman Russ! :(

Sekai as the list stands it will be a tough bout for anyone. Ignoring the Land Raiders mean you will need to deal with 2 TL las cannons. and a TL heavy bolter coming up you flank blocking vial fire arcs and such, With 5 Armor 14 vehicles most opponents will be very short on weapons that can deal with them. Just focus on those weapons and your Russes now have free reign.

The only changes I would make (Hell I might just build this for kicks) would be to give the Sentinels Auto Cannons (Or even Heavy Flamers and Drop Troops) and bump one of the Russes to a Demolisher with Plas Cannons and a Heavy Bolter.

The only lists that I can see giving this army a real problem would be AC heavy marines and Dark Eldar. Though if the raiders go down quick enough you should be in the clear.

Sekai wrote:Crap. If I took a land raider as a heavy support choice(if I even can, not looking at the book at this moment) Then I would have to drop a Leman Russ! :(

Can't do it anyways, DH/WH allies don't allow you to take Heavy Support