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That Necron titan though...it's basically everything I wanted. Granted I always imagined more centipede but something hulking like that works excellent too.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
GW wrote:The release will see a variety of different ways to get your hands on the new game, the ultimate one being the epic Grand Master Edition. This includes two(!) Warlord Titans, six Questoris Knights, a set of Adeptus Titanicus buildings and much more – including the rulebook, of course, plus Command Terminals for your Titans and Knights, Weapon cards, Mission cards, Stratagem cards, Battlefield Assets, templates and dice – literally everything you need to get started.
I'm sure I read somewhere that we were getting a couple of Reavers in the big set along with the Warlords and Knights. Has it been downsized or am I just remembering incorrectly?
You may be remembering something from the more recent pages of the dedicated AT thread here, where someone else made a similar error then later retracted it.
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GoatboyBeta wrote: Surprised that there was nothing shown for IK. Especially after the community site teased an Armiger variant.
It's been reported that they're cutting down on the amount of stuff they preview - they've shown some things off too early in the past apparently, according to Tony Cottrell. Everything seen today is meant to be released within 4 months.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Surprised that there was nothing shown for IK. Especially after the community site teased an Armiger variant.
It's been reported that they're cutting down on the amount of stuff they preview - they've shown some things off too early in the past apparently, according to Tony Cottrell. Everything seen today is meant to be released within 4 months.
Translation: they took too much crap from the Fires book disappearing, so the are limiting previews.
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GoatboyBeta wrote: Surprised that there was nothing shown for IK. Especially after the community site teased an Armiger variant.
It's been reported that they're cutting down on the amount of stuff they preview - they've shown some things off too early in the past apparently, according to Tony Cottrell. Everything seen today is meant to be released within 4 months.
Translation: they took too much crap from the Fires book disappearing, so the are limiting previews.
Possibly, but it goes back to Bran Redmaw (and continues with the Atomantic Pavaise).
Anyone know from prior experience about how long it takes for the necromunda gang upgrades to go from a preview like this to on sale?
Got my eye on those orlock weapons!
Sentionaut wrote: Anyone know from prior experience about how long it takes for the necromunda gang upgrades to go from a preview like this to on sale?
Got my eye on those orlock weapons!
They were on-sale there today, so shouldn't be too long.
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Warpig1815 wrote: Ahhh, bolters are sort of ok - the Gyrojet range of weapons from the 50's (I believe) worked on a similar principle of rocket propelled rounds - but they weren't terribly reliable. That said, GW does seem to be amusingly unaware about the need to place the ejection port in line with the barrel...
No, they aren't. And we know that precisely BECAUSE of those gyrojet rounds. The advantages of this technology are that it's nearly recoilless and allows for light weight weapons. Sort of the OPPOSITE of a bolt gun.
@Baronlveagh - At the risk of veering off-topic - true the rocket-propelled part is near recoil-less, but the conventional primer used to propel the round from the barrel before ignition of the rocket would produce recoil. The Gyrojet did not use a two-stage propulsion system, like the bolt-gun is stated to. Hence, a degree of recoil will be produced by firing a .75 Calibre round (Which, if you've fired anything approaching .300 Win Mag or .50 BMG, you'll appreciate is not... inconsiderable, shall we say ). As for weight, the boltgun is still requiring a strengthened chamber and barrel (Not to mention the action in the receiver, which must be strengthened against recoil/pressure stress) due to the initial firing - especially in sustained combat where heat would begin to warp lighter components. Furthermore, combat punishes weapons - so a stronger weapon is needed. Typically, this is going to mean heavier components.
I've fired several 'destructive devices' in the past. The problem is that you're assuming that the priming charge is the equivalent to a modern rifle round. It would be much smaller, in order to not damage (or worse, prematurely detonate) the bolt round before it ignites it's rocket motor. Given the stated weight of a bolt, we're talking maybe the equivalent of a 9mm handgun. If it were powerful enough to fire the bolt rifle style, there would be no need for the second stage, so all that initial charge does is push it out the barrel and ignite the rocket.
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Warpig1815 wrote: Call me pedantic - but how does he draw his sword with a scabbard like that...
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Simple, activates the power field first
Is there a line - that may be a split - along the bottom of the scabbard, or am I imagining it (and if it is there, he's going to cut his fingers off)?
Warpig1815 wrote: Call me pedantic - but how does he draw his sword with a scabbard like that...
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Simple, activates the power field first
Is there a line - that may be a split - along the bottom of the scabbard, or am I imagining it (and if it is there, he's going to cut his fingers off)?
Overread wrote: Twilight were there any hints or pointers on the fantasy realms and the work there? Early days to be sure but be neat if there's any news on that front.
No the AOS bit was literally the same guys as the AOS Open day with the same damn Chaos Dragon master model that's been dragged around events since 2015 with umpteen changes and the painted version. It's nice but I can see it being at least £300, pain in the ass to transport, slaves to darkness are not exactly popular either and they'll either have to give it rules to fit its mass - it is the biggest AOS model I have seen that isn't scenery (rough size would be one and half times the length of smaug from hobbit and around one and a half time the height of the carmine dragon, width I dunno what to compare it to) - or it'll be rubbish rules on an expensive model. I seriously don't know why they made it given the stuff they could be doing and that would sell more.
The general rule for these events now is that the staff will talk about what you can see but no prices, no definite dates, no speculation on what you cannot see. Even in the Forge World store at WHW the AoS stuff has been chucked out of it's cabinet and corner by Necromunda and Bloodbowl FW stuff and is now housed in what are not much different than locked ikea cabinets opposite about half the space it had before.
On balance, 40K barely had anything previewed either beyond the new model for the dreadnaught drop pod and the new necron titan thing. This was very much Specialist Games and focused on Titanicus - especially the terrain tiles which had two seperate stands (one where they were painting them, one where they displayed all the variants and the train and buildings.
Warpig1815 wrote: Ahhh, bolters are sort of ok - the Gyrojet range of weapons from the 50's (I believe) worked on a similar principle of rocket propelled rounds - but they weren't terribly reliable. That said, GW does seem to be amusingly unaware about the need to place the ejection port in line with the barrel...
No, they aren't. And we know that precisely BECAUSE of those gyrojet rounds. The advantages of this technology are that it's nearly recoilless and allows for light weight weapons. Sort of the OPPOSITE of a bolt gun.
@Baronlveagh - At the risk of veering off-topic - true the rocket-propelled part is near recoil-less, but the conventional primer used to propel the round from the barrel before ignition of the rocket would produce recoil. The Gyrojet did not use a two-stage propulsion system, like the bolt-gun is stated to. Hence, a degree of recoil will be produced by firing a .75 Calibre round (Which, if you've fired anything approaching .300 Win Mag or .50 BMG, you'll appreciate is not... inconsiderable, shall we say ). As for weight, the boltgun is still requiring a strengthened chamber and barrel (Not to mention the action in the receiver, which must be strengthened against recoil/pressure stress) due to the initial firing - especially in sustained combat where heat would begin to warp lighter components. Furthermore, combat punishes weapons - so a stronger weapon is needed. Typically, this is going to mean heavier components.
I've fired several 'destructive devices' in the past. The problem is that you're assuming that the priming charge is the equivalent to a modern rifle round. It would be much smaller, in order to not damage (or worse, prematurely detonate) the bolt round before it ignites it's rocket motor. Given the stated weight of a bolt, we're talking maybe the equivalent of a 9mm handgun. If it were powerful enough to fire the bolt rifle style, there would be no need for the second stage, so all that initial charge does is push it out the barrel and ignite the rocket.
I'd have thought it would be equivalent to a modern round. You have to consider that we're talking about a .75 Caliber round - close in size to a 20mm shell (Well, 19.05 to be precise). A shell that size is going to need a considerable amount of propellant to get it moving down the barrel fast enough to engage a target in a timely fashion. The rocket motor, really, is just there to give the round extra energy and hence range and destructive power - but the primer is needed to enable the round to get up to speed before the target shifts. As for the premature detonation of the round - consider the enormous amounts of cordite needed to propel a battleship shell - and yet they did not readily explode in the barrel. That's mainly due to the fact that there is little pressure exerted on the round itself - more just a force pushing it along the path of least resistance.
Also, (just remembered now after writing the above) - I do believe that a good number of armies use RAP (Rocket Assisted Projectile) rounds in their artillery, with the rockets igniting after firing to provide extra energy and range. Certainly, the British AS-90 uses this system with US M549 Shells. The rockets in these shells are ignited 7 seconds after firing - which is long after the round has left the barrel and is en route to target. Perhaps the main problem with GW is that they misunderstand the functioning of RAP rounds in that the rocket provides extra imparted energy, but is not responsible for the actual propelling of the round (accomplished with the main propellant).
In any case, this debate is a touch OT. I do appreciate and respect your points, but, in principle at least, I feel the boltgun isn't quite so wild a theory.
Warpig1815 wrote:Call me pedantic - but how does he draw his sword with a scabbard like that...
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At the risk of upsetting every Xenos player everywhere - I hope to god they hurry up and release Praetors for all the Legions. Need me some Salamanders goodness (Alongside those' unique' stormshields that they never got )
yes, more xenos stuff(Drukhari)but I want more Salamanders badassery!
Is there a line - that may be a split - along the bottom of the scabbard, or am I imagining it (and if it is there, he's going to cut his fingers off)?
Ideally he would draw the same as Thorin draws Orcrist in the Hobbit movies; there is a slot along the bottom edge of the scabbard that allows the wide part of the blade to be drawn. What the GW sculptor missed was that you need a wide spot at the front end of the scabbard that is slightly wider than the blade to hold the opening of the scabbard open. The other concern is that is it very easy to slice off the fingers in your left hand (that are holding the scabbard) when drawing this type of blade.
I was looking forward to seeing new stuff. But it's nothing. Another flash in the pan specialist game, and nothing new for 40,30k or AOS.
FW, stop with the specialist games gak, no one cares.
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With the renegade militia going away, I can only hope Scoria getting a model is a sign that it's to make room for dark ad mec and new infantry kits. Still really sad to see them go.
We went to the FW open day yesterday, was very disappointing. Highlight was picking up Scoria who was finally out.
It was quite telling the sales area was a corner by the entrance to Bugmans from the gaming hall and they didn't clear the gaming tables away to make room for the shopping queue.
No seminars, rumour was Tony was avoiding more questions around the last chance to buy.
Hardly anything I hadn't seen before outside of AT. The AT stuff was really good, will probably get the ATFW tiles as they look amazing, really clever how the scenery just plugs into the tile.
Had a good nose through the big box for AT including the rule book.
Looky Likey wrote: We went to the FW open day yesterday, was very disappointing. Highlight was picking up Scoria who was finally out.
It was quite telling the sales area was a corner by the entrance to Bugmans from the gaming hall and they didn't clear the gaming tables away to make room for the shopping queue.
No seminars, rumour was Tony was avoiding more questions around the last chance to buy.
Hardly anything I hadn't seen before outside of AT. The AT stuff was really good, will probably get the ATFW tiles as they look amazing, really clever how the scenery just plugs into the tile.
Had a good nose through the big box for AT including the rule book.
So other than AT the day was a bust for me.
Completely agreed. AT was nice, but nothing really new. One of the most lackluster open days I've ever been to and I ended up leaving early. I'll add that a small bunch of studio staff looked glum and Tony Cottrell looked thoroughly fed up. Hardly any stock of the Warhammer World exclusives (they had so little stock of the Land Speeder that it sold out in half an hour). Should have stayed home as it all appeared on WHC anyway.
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