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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Everyone hated The Doctor.

There has to be more to this.

He was one of the more interesting characters in Voyager, because pretty much all the character development belong to him and Seven of Nine.


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beast_gts wrote:
From First Contact Day -

Picard season 2 teaser: https://twitter.com/i/status/1379148372083347457
Discovery season 4 teaser: https://twitter.com/i/status/1379175189196513284

Bah. Region locked.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
From First Contact Day -

Picard season 2 teaser: https://twitter.com/i/status/1379148372083347457
Discovery season 4 teaser: https://twitter.com/i/status/1379175189196513284

Bah. Region locked.

Try - https://twitter.com/i/status/1379154132532142090 & https://twitter.com/i/status/1379175212927778823

Yep, that works. Also found it on YouTube.

Cheers for the heads up! No joy on Disco season 4, but as I don’t have Netflix anymore, not gonna bother looking too hard

Lower Decks S2 teaser: https://twitter.com/i/status/1379183230310490113


Slight Prodigy spoiler:

Lower decks also got confirmation of S3 today. For 2022.

S4 disco will be late 2021.
Picard s2 2022.

Hey proper uniforms for DISCO. So there's that.

Yeah, I was a little surprised they didn't update the uniforms last season. Looking much more Star Trek, now.

When's the Pike series coming?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
When's the Pike series coming?

Last update said late 2021.

The new uniforms are an improvement. Is the new female bumpy forehead alien of the week the Federation President? She seems to be in charge but I didn't watch season 3.

For those outside the US, is Netflix listed on the trailer anywhere? I think their initial deal was for three seasons so I'm curious if they reupped or if it'll be Para+ worldwide.

No sign of the Admiral from Season 3, and very little Saru.

Not good.

Also another big anomly/federation ending threat.
Lets see so far we have had
s1: end of all life throughout the entire known multiverse.
s2: End of all life in the galaxy
s3: End of al dilithium
s4: End of all life again maybe?

Season 1 was great because of the stakes where the war.
But now it feels all over the place, like a DM keeps throwing world ending plots for their players.

I wonder how the gravity is the fault of or otherwise related to Michael.

 AduroT wrote:
I wonder how the gravity is the fault of or otherwise related to Michael.

Well, the universe revolves around her according to canon. Clearly she must be a massive gravity well in disguise and even her spittle probably makes Nibbler's poop look like cotton candy.

 AduroT wrote:
I wonder how the gravity is the fault of or otherwise related to Michael.

Whatever happens I'm sure she'll start with a big impassioned speech to Saru's her crew to inspire them, and then she'll go and solve it all by herself because she's perfect and flawless and always wins at everything forever.

That'll Q Picard, That'll Q

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I wonder how the gravity is the fault of or otherwise related to Michael.

Whatever happens I'm sure she'll start with a big impassioned speech to Saru's her crew to inspire them, and then she'll go and solve it all by herself because she's perfect and flawless and always wins at everything forever.

Don't be so myopic. They alternate that with big impassioned affirming speeches where her tearful crew inspires her in a superficial moment of weakness... and then she goes to solve it all by herself.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Also another big anomly/federation ending threat.
Lets see so far we have had
s1: end of all life throughout the entire known multiverse.
s2: End of all life in the galaxy
s3: End of al dilithium
s4: End of all life again maybe?

Season 1 was great because of the stakes where the war.
But now it feels all over the place, like a DM keeps throwing world ending plots for their players.

It's almost as if the people in charge of these shows are showing how they literally have no knowledge of what Star Trek even is. Just lots of guns and swords and explosions and vaping and whatever other modern cultural garbage they can think to shove in there. Give me ten minutes and I'll write a better show and I'll even keep Burnham as the captain (and improve her character 100 fold).

It's all cannon now baby! They'll be trying to write around this stuff for the next decade XD

 Kroem wrote:
It's all cannon now baby! They'll be trying to write around this stuff for the next decade XD

Assuming we get one, what will Star Trek's Mandelorian show look like? If only we had our own version of Dave Feloni and Favrau.

Well I haven't seen the Mandelorian, but my impression is that it is a lower stakes, character focused drama?
That would be difficult on a starship with loads of crew I guess.

It's only canon until no one gives a feth, which will be easy after this goes belly up. 4 seasons of utter schlock garbage on a service that I don't know how is still around.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
It's only canon until no one gives a feth, which will be easy after this goes belly up. 4 seasons of utter schlock garbage on a service that I don't know how is still around.

Meh Trek survived a dozen or more omnipotent godlike being from TOS, and the Temporal Cold War of Enterprise.

One random ship doing random stuff is easy to never refer to again.

The idea of canon is really interesting to me, it feels like a modern phenomena that arose (perhaps in no small part due to Stark Trek) from fandoms and nerd culture and conventions. I'm genuinely interested in the world of Trek circa 1996-2004 (yes, I'm including Enterprise; I don't like Rick Berman and I don't like the TNG movies but it really felt like they tried to make a Star Trek show, taking an interest in the founding of the Federation. There wasn't [much] fanservice [not that kind!] with cute winks and nods to side characters and small details. An example: In the Enterprise pilot, we find out out that "where no man has gone before" is Zefram Cochrane's commencement speech on the Warp Drive project. That's a detail that for me enriches the Universe. In Voyage Home, we see Nurse Chapel-turned Commander Chapel. That's a nice bit of character growth behind the scenes.

In contrast, the new stuff doesn't feel like people are meaningfully engaging with what has already been established. ST:Picard did not feel much like Star Trek at all to me, and I found the characters that did show up to be very different from their original incarnations. Example: the episode where Picard wears an eye-patch and tries to disguise himself to find the evil person that's ripping up ex-Borgs for their parts (graphic eye-stabbing scenes! Just what we want from our Star Trek show!). He puts down a character reference from Quark, which came across in the moment as a cute, wink reference (only the SUPERFANS will catch these five references in Star Trek Picard), not one that added depth to the story or the characters' relationships.

Canon is all made up anyway, so the viewer has total control over what they choose to include. The criteria I use is, "from a production side of things, did the people that have creative control make a meaningful effort to engage with and contribute to the work that came before them? Are they making interesting choices, or is it all just fanservice [not that kind!]?"

The new stuff doesn't feel very Trek to me, so I mostly ignore it.

I'd say canon goes back at least as far as Sherlock Holmes, so not that modern...

Yeah, Conan Doyle was FLOODED with fan letters demanding he retcon Sherlock Holmes' death. He absolutely *hated* it. He, however, also liked getting paid, so he gave in...


As for wider canon... I'm just going to gesture widely at, well.... All. Religion.

That's a good point, and the term I think is a theological one anyway so focusing on canonical scriptures was I'm sure fairly high stakes. So you're right, people register and care about continuity in their narratives. I think my point is more that the modern phenomena of fandom and the meta-industry that's grown up around it feels very different, where "Canon" kind of becomes a commodity.

It goes back as far as humans have been telling stories. Heck the Brothers Grim spent a long while devising the Canon of various folk tales from multiple sources.

It's not that crazy either, people like to have boundaries. Oh sure they might not agree with or like the boundaries themselves, but we frame our understanding of the wild within boundaries. All the "canon" events of previous stories that link together frame the setting, the world, the characters- the story itself for following works


So when something happens that we really dislike it becomes a point of canon contention because we know its now part of the history and setting, even if we dislike it. When the creation deviates so far from the original and yet is still part of the original it can be disliked just because of that huge deviation.

In the end its because stories do mean something to us, we do connect with them.

 Kroem wrote:
Well I haven't seen the Mandelorian, but my impression is that it is a lower stakes, character focused drama?
That would be difficult on a starship with loads of crew I guess.

I more meant how Mando was seen by many in the SW community as saving the franchise and setting things right after how bad the new trilogy was.

Basically, what will be the ST show or movie that returns to the roots of the franchise.

 Togusa wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
Well I haven't seen the Mandelorian, but my impression is that it is a lower stakes, character focused drama?
That would be difficult on a starship with loads of crew I guess.

I more meant how Mando was seen by many in the SW community as saving the franchise and setting things right after how bad the new trilogy was.

Basically, what will be the ST show or movie that returns to the roots of the franchise.

I think trying to return to the roots of Star Trek is not ideal though, I want it to return to the 90's heyday not the hokey original series with an alien babe of the week XD