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Necron List

2000 pts

Warriors
2x squads of 20 W/ Disruption fields
40 = 800

Lord w/ Warscythe, Ressurection Orb, Phase Shifter, Phlactery, Gaze of Flame
1 = 200

Destroyers
4 = 200

Nightbringer
1 = 360

Wraiths
3 = 123

Pariahs
5 = 180

Flayed Ones w/ Disruption Fields
4 = 84

Tomb Spyder
1 = 55

Total pts = 2002

I would like to know if this list is any good. I've won one game with it, the only win that I've had since I started playing, but it was sort of a technicality. I have some more warriors (around 15 or so), heavy destroyers (3), a Monolith and Scarab Swarms.

I also plan on getting Immortals, but I'm not too sure if they are worth the money spent on them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

It is a very, very poor list. No intention to be mean here but it's just about the worst way you can run necrons.

Problems:
1) Huge squads of warriors. Basic warriors are not terribly good. They are OK. But 20 man squads get locked in assault and die the first time they fail morale.

2) Many different unit types. They cannot support each other with WBB. As soon as 4 destroyers get knocked down, they are done.

3) Lots of really bad units. Pariahs, flayed ones, and wraiths are not very good.

4) Too many points sunk into HQ units and not enough into shootie units.

40ke will be along soon to give you the lowdown but basically there're two or three types of effective necron armies.

You've got your "my entire army is T5 and I am going to shoot you to death" with 3 squads of immortals and 3 squads of destroyers, minimal troops, and a counter-assault/assault protection HQ (e.g. rovod Lord or a Nightbringer/Deceiver).

You've got your "my entire army is T5 and I can teleport it around and reroll my WBB rolls" army. This consists of 3 squads of 8-10 immortals, two squads of 10 warriors, 2-3 monoliths, and a veil Lord. Or something approximately like that.

You've got your "my entire army has 12" moving heavy weapons and T5" army. this is 3 x 5 destroyers, 3 x 3 heavy destroyers, 2 x 10 warriors, and an HQ of some sort (veil+destroyer body would probably be good, forget if that works).

There're a few other variations but those are mostly the themes.

Longshot has the right of it, although I've run a gimmick list or two that tried to be assaulty.

If you aren't trying to be extraordinarily competitive you can try for a Necron hand to hand list, but the secret is to get rid of the bad stuff and spam the good.

Bad Necron H2H units:
Flayed Ones
Wraiths
Pariahs

Good Necron H2H units
Scarabs
Tomb Spyders
C'tan (Deceiver is better than NB, but for this sort of thing you can go either way)

Sorry to rain on your parade man, the fastest improvement you can get your list is to drop something and throw a monolith or two in. If you aren't worried about time the choice between defensive crons and offensive crons is actually a pretty interesting one, cast about and you'll find a bunch of talk on the subject.

Drop the disruption fields on the warriors and take them on scarabs cause if your warriors get close enough to use the disruption field they should have killed what ever they are assaulting in the shooting phase

And they can't assault after rapidfiring anyway.

Hey communi where do you game?

I can give you a game or two on a Friday night or Saturday day over at Mind Games. It's not far from West Jordan.

Your list needs alot of work. Longshot wasn't exactly tactful about it.

You bought what you liked, model wise. Nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately Necrons built this way have a very bad time dealing with other balanced lists and a especially bad time dealing with gimmicky armies.

Well, be glad to give you a hand at any rate. You can view my profile to get my phone number, or just PM me and we can setup a game.

I usually get my figs over at Hastur Hobbies and play at my buddies house. That would be awesome to play against someone who has a little more experience with the game.

I was thinking of going smaller squads of Warriors. Most of the time I have other squads locked in combat with the Wraiths and Flayed ones.

I am willing to drop my Flayed ones as all that they have done are serve as fodder and make my Phase Out that much quicker. My Pariahs have only seen one game, but they pretty much got destroyed as well before locking into hand to hand.

The main reason I got the NightBringer is because of the aura of awesome around him, I plan on getting a Deceiver as well, just need the funds.

I am also not too sure on how to use a Monolith besides big effin tank, I don't quite understand the whole portal thing. That's the main reason that I've not used it for much more than a super blaster.

No one will let pariahs get near them. They also aren't necrons. They're a big threat, but with only 1 squad...you just shoot everything at them until they go away.

Nb is a big 'shoot me' target. Who sadly gets ignored and lead around by the nose most games. Most armies can take his 1 AT shot pretty much every turn of the game, since most tanks outrange and outmove him--that means you spent 300 points to zap marines.

Monoliths have 3 primary uses. None of which has anything to do with a 'tank' in the traditional sense in 40K.

1) They deep strike into an army, and flay everything in sight.

2) They hide behind forests, and dump out badly hurt squads (getting a 2nd wbb roll per monolith) usually Immortals since they can often still open fire with their assault weaponry.

3) They form a line in front of your foot troops, preventing assaults and forcing target priority tests on anyone who wants to shoot the Crons.

Never ever just set them up like they were a Predator. They aren't, never will be.

Most people that run them bring 2.

Small squads of warriors are easy meat to shoot away, break, and/or assault to death. Try and stay at 12-16, unless you are using only two minimum squads of 10 to fill your troops out then hide them and let the rest of the army do the fighting.

There's no way for anyone to know how bad a list is unless you tell them straight, so I try not to restrain myself when describing how bad a list is. It doesn't make you a bad person to write a poor list, so I don't feel like I am picking on anyone by doing being forthright.

No worries, I'm not offended, I put my list up here expecting it to be torn apart, thanks for the help

I have found that my NB does fairly well, when I can get him into combat, up until that point he just sort of floats towards the enemy. I will have to put my Monolith to use more often, I just don't think that I use it enough to really understand its importance.

I really like the Pariah + Lord w/ Veil combo, but I don't think that I have enough Pariahs to accomplish this effectively. I also like the idea of a fairly mobile army, which is kinda no good with the Necrons.

I like being able to pretty much run around with my Destroyers and shoot up squads of troops.

But yeah, any other advice would be awesome.

Keep in mind that the Veil of Darkness can only be used on "Necron" units, which Pariahs arn't. They can't be teleported either by the Veil or the Monilith.

I like running one unit of Flayed Ones myself, though I'd never use em without a Monolith. They tend to hide behind stuff until a Monolith is in range for them to teleport and assault right away. While not the most elite of HtH units, they can do a very nice job if you pick their target well, and usualy give me win against any Tau I face.

I totally spaced that, well, so much for my plans of teleporting my Pariahs all over :/

I will have to try that. I only have 4 flayed ones at the moment, but they're cheap enough that I could get a few more relatively easy.

I've had pretty good success with wraiths against Tau, so long as you have two units of 3, minimum. That way there's a better chance of getting your WBB. As long as 1 squad of Wraiths can get there, they can tear through a Tau firing line. Having a full squad of scarabs as an screen works pretty well in this case too.

I think that Immortals are very much worth the cost (if one can ever justify paying GW prices). A S5, 2 Assault at 24" provides great covering fire while you get your rapid fire Warriors into range. Plus they make a great retinue for the Lord. Just do with the Immortals what you were going to do with the Pariahs and laugh at your opponent's despair!

If you're not using any other fast attack, you'd be better off with 3 units of 2 wraiths. That's three scoring units (for now), and you have to kill every single wraith for them to not be scoring at all. Scarabs won't last long as a screen against Tau, with their large number of str 6/7 guns.

And yes, Immortals are quite good, and it is indeed their $ cost and not their point cost that keeps me from using more of them.

If you're gonna go assaulty stuff, 2 x 3 wraiths and 1 x 10 scarabs is a pretty annoying set of fast attack.

Oh, one of my favorite things to do with Scarabs is to surround the access points on transports. Their larger base, larger numbers, and really high speed with Turbo-Boost makes them really great for this role.

Also fun is to circle an enemy unit befor I use my Nightmare Shroud.

Ya this list needs some help. DROP THE NIGHTBRINGER AND PARIAHS. they dont help phas eout at all, and you dont have many "real" necron units anyways. i can just kill like about ten of the "real" necrons and your whole army phases out. If you lose the night bringer and paraiahs, right there thats 30 more warriors. Get rid of disruption field on warriors too. they should never be in combat, and it boggles me why you would charge necron warriors into a tank. Use scarabs with disruption fields for that job. Not to be harsh, but this list needs a lot of work.