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2008/01/23 01:21:45
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So yeah, let me know what you think.
Autrach
Warp Jump Generator
Mandiblasters
Scropion Chainsword
Lasblaster
Total-111
6 Striking Scorpions
Exarch
Scropions Claw
Biting Blade
Shadowstrike
Total-148
6 Howling Banshees
Exarch
Excutioner
War Shout
Total-123
6 Harlequins
6 Harliquen Kisses
Troupe Master
Total-148
2 Wave Serpents
Twin Linkerd Starcannons
Twin Linked Scatter Lasers
Total-240
8 Dire Avengers
Exarch
Dire Sword and Shuriken Pistol
Bladestorm
Total-109
8 Dire Avengers
Exarch
Dire Sword and Shuriken Pistol
Bladestorm
Total-109
6 Swooping Hawks
Exarch
Sunrifle
Skyleap
Total-168
5 Dark Reaper
Exarch
Tempest Launcher
Fast Shot
Total-227
Warwalker
2 Scatter Lasers
Total-60
Total-1443
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2008/01/23 02:19:22
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2008/01/23 01:50:13
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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First of all, you should not use a 1501 point list in a 1500 point game. The point value for the game is the upper limit.
Second, you somehow managed to miscalculate the point costs for the following units: autarch, striking scorpions, dire avengers, swooping hawks, and war walker.
Third, this list will get blown out of the water. One major problem is that the fragile, close range Eldar troops without transports will take casualties before reaching the enemy, and in all likelihood many of them will fail their morale tests and run off the board. Other problems include the fact that the autarch may kill himself with his warp jump generator and the wave serpents lack the necessary upgrades to make them and the troops they carry semi-survivable (vectored engines and spirit stones).
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2008/01/23 01:50:50
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2008/01/23 02:10:49
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Alright, yeah you were right, I went back and corrected them. Although I couldnt find anythign wrong with the SH. Also, me and my group of players tend to ignore Morale rules, as they lessen the fun of the game for us.
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2008/01/24 01:22:46
Subject: Re:Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ok, I changed it up a bit I feel this is a bit more of a Mobile force. It's a bit more shooty too I feel.
Autarch
Eldar Jetbike
Laserlance
Total-120
6 Striking Scorpions
Exarch
Scorpion Claw
Shadowstrike
Total-143
6 Rangers
Pathfiners
Total-144
6 Rangers
Pathfinders
Total-144
3 Shining Spears
Exarch
Star Lance
Total-132
5 Warp Spiders
Exarch
Deathspinner
Powerblades
Suprise Assault
Total-147
6 Swooping Hawls
Exarch
Sunrifle
Skyleap
Total-168
5 Dark Reapers
Exarch
Tempest Launcher
Fast Shot
Total-227
6 Fire Dragons
Exarch
Firepike
Crack Shot
Total-121
Wave Serpent
Twin Linked Scatter Lasers
Shuriken Cannon
Vectored Engines
Total-145
Total-1491
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2008/01/24 01:51:45
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2008/01/24 01:42:27
Subject: Re:Eldar 1500
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
Mayhem Comics in Des Moines, Iowa
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Why did you give the Scorpion Exarch both a Claw and a Biting Blade? The Biting Blade is a two-handed weapon, so you'll lose the +1 attack for two weapons.
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2008/01/24 01:51:18
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Now that you mention it, you're right, I'm gonna take that off now.
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2008/01/24 22:13:45
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Noone has anything else to say?
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2008/01/24 22:33:04
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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The shining spears absolutely must have the withdraw power (hit and run). They're only effective in the first round of combat, so the ability to pull out of combat and assault again increases their potency enormously. Compare: when assaulting, a shining spear has two attacks made with a S6 power weapon; otherwise he makes one attack at S3, without a power weapon. If you join the autarch to this squad, he will inherit the withdraw ability, thereby allowing him to make better use of his laser lance as well. It's a useful skill for the warp spiders, too, but not quite as crucial.
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2008/01/24 23:50:41
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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HorgothTheGreat wrote:Alright, yeah you were right, I went back and corrected them. Although I couldnt find anythign wrong with the SH. Also, me and my group of players tend to ignore Morale rules, as they lessen the fun of the game for us.
IMO morale tests are what help even out different armies.
Also what armies do your friends play? Sometimes harlies can be more effective then a group of scorpions.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/01/24 23:51:46
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2008/01/25 00:57:24
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Dakka Veteran
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Wow, no morale rules. Must be nice.
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2008/01/25 01:00:56
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Alright, I'll try and throw Withdraw in there. And my direct group of players will be Tau, Space Marines, Dark Eldar, and maybe Tyranids, but I doubt the'Nids will be played against very often. And yes, it is much more fun without the Morale rules.
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2008/01/25 21:41:06
Subject: Re:Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ok, so I added a Fusion Gun and Withdraw to the SS squad. Sure, it's a bit over, but meh.
Autarch
Eldar Jetbike
Laserlance
Fusion Gun
Total-130
6 Striking Scorpions
Exarch
Scorpion Claw
Shadowstrike
Total-143
6 Rangers
Pathfiners
Total-144
6 Rangers
Pathfinders
Total-144
3 Shining Spears
Exarch
Star Lance
Withdraw
Total-157
5 Warp Spiders
Exarch
Deathspinner
Powerblades
Suprise Assault
Total-147
6 Swooping Hawls
Exarch
Sunrifle
Skyleap
Total-168
5 Dark Reapers
Exarch
Tempest Launcher
Fast Shot
Total-227
6 Fire Dragons
Exarch
Firepike
Crack Shot
Total-121
Wave Serpent
Twin Linked Scatter Lasers
Shuriken Cannon
Vectored Engines
Total-145
Total-1526
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2008/01/25 23:28:29
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
Mayhem Comics in Des Moines, Iowa
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I'd knock the Scatter Lazers on the Wave Serpent down to Suriken Cannons. Since it's hauling Fire Dragons, who themselves only have a 12" range, I would assume it's going to be nearer to the enemy forces so the extra range isn't as needed. You end up paying 150% more in cost, for only 33% more in firepower.
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2008/01/26 02:10:49
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hmm, so 8 Strength 6 Shots wouldn't be better then 6 Strength 6 shots?
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2008/01/26 02:32:47
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Eight? With a twin-linked scatter laser and a shuriken cannon, you get seven S6 shots, four of which can reroll to-hit dice. With a twin-linked shuriken cannon and an additional shuriken cannon, you get six S6 shots, three of which can reroll to-hit dice. So upgrading from a twin-linked shuriken cannon to a twin-linked scatter laser nets you one additional shot that can reroll to-hit, and an additional 12 inch range on the four scatter laser shots. What Aduro is suggesting is that you should be within the 24 inch range of the shuriken cannons anyway if you're delivering a fire dragon squad, so the only practical advantage of the scatter laser is the one extra shot. This may not be worth the 15 extra points.
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2008/01/26 03:54:02
Subject: Eldar 1500
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I'm an idiot. I forgot it was Twin Linked and not two seperate ones. My apologies sir, you are correct.
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