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Dunno if there's a thread around for it, but any ork player uses sluggas instead of your shiny-boomy-blasty new shootas??
I think it's way better even with BS2

-(If this is the wrong place for this, then sorry)

Shootas are better off for foot sloggin and sluggas are better for trukk mounted.

If you break down the numbers with the shoota boyz they can pump out 3 turns of shooting before getting into combat with 3 attacks while slugga boyz *might* get one turn of shooting and have 4 attacks in combat.

Shoota boy over 3 turns: 6 Bs2 S4 shots + 3 attacks in CC

Slugga boy over 3 turns: 1 Bs2 S4 shot + 4 attacks in CC

That and the shoota boyz have range 24" effectively because they get to move 6" before firing, so they can reach out and hammer things that are out of reach for the sluggas.

I think I would take a mix of both. Put the shoota boyz in the middle of my army and move forward while the slugga boys would be behind them.

Darrian

Thanks.
I'm still thinking about pure shoota horde

I go with sluggas not because of rules or tactics but because shootas are plain weedy. If I want something to shoot I'll get the grots to do it. (So only for thematic reasons then).

If I was playing real competitive like shootas would be a better choice for foot sloggin armies.

If 5th Edition's rumors come true and your own models block LOS to one another, and a "Run" option is introduced, then Sluggas immediately start looking much better than Shootas do.

Both have their uses, but I agree that 5th will give Sluggas an edge.

Voodoo Boyz wrote:If 5th Edition's rumors come true and your own models block LOS to one another, and a "Run" option is introduced, then Sluggas immediately start looking much better than Shootas do.

Coupled with the fact that cover saves will give units like guard power armour, we might as well go with maximum number of attacks considering that Orks will be fleeting for 2 turns before getting into assault, then throw in the fact your opponent will be using the run rule as well.

I use a mix of both, and it looks to be working good for both 4th and 5th. Currently, shootas are better until you get stuck in, then the sluggas are better. In 5th edition, im planning to put the slugga boyz infront using the shootas to ocver em. we'll just have to wait and see how this tactic will work.

I gotta say that shoota boyz in trukks are currently just as good as sluggas if used right.

nothing like seeing a targe that is 30" away thinking they're safe. move up 13" and unload on them with 10 shoota boyz at 18" and a rokkit boy plus the rokkit on the trukk.

its always amusing how many people forget that trukks are open topped. same thing if you have a group of slugga boyz and you want to try to shoot something to death rather than assault it.

NaZ

yeah assaut two is nice. Im just gonna glue them onto the backs of my current orks.

While 5th edition may make slugga boyz look better on foot, thanks to the option to run every turn, you would also be giving away the 3 rokkits that you probably would have bought in a big shoota mob.

I think run is a great option for shoota boys to have, but all ork armies, 3rd, 4th or 5th need to shoot to function. Armies with more of a focus on CC will need to be shot. Armies that are hiding from you in transports will need their transports shot. Skimmers will need to be shot.

Lootas are going to take a big hit in 5th. Their LOS is getting worse, they aren't scoring units, and skimmers can be penetrated. So if less Lootas are taken, more rokkits are going to need to be fired, which means less running, which means shootas.

Clearly in 4th edition, it goes shootas on foot and sluggas in trukks. In 5th edition, it may take time to figure it out for sure, screened tankbustas may do enough anti-transport work for your regular boyz to run every turn, but having an earlier effect on the game with a big unit is not something that can be totally ignored. 52 str 4 shots on turn 2 may beat D6" of movement in many cases. If you go 2nd against an aggressive army and they move 6" towards you, shootas look even better, shooting those 52 shots and 3 rokkits on turn 1, possibly saving your boyz from eating a large scuttling/fleet of foot or run/leaping charge from nids or a run/demon bomb on turn 2.

A very well designed unit imo, both options look good.

Shootas in a truck with a rocket is pretty dangerous. You can do a gangsta drive by with it! Lol. Also a nob with a powerklaw in a truck with boarding planks makes a really good anti-tank unit.

I think in 5e you will probably want something like 6x30 Shootas then. That's 360 shots = 120 S4 hits = 20 dead SM a turn. So 300pts of damage from 1080pts of boyz. 1080pts of marines rapid firing 144 shots = 92 hits = 46 dead boyz = 276pts of dead Orks.

Now that is what I call Math-hammer 40K

I think that with the inclusion of the 5th ed LOS rules I would still take 2 units of 30 Shoots backed followed by 2 Units of 20 - 30 sluggas as by the time those first shootas will get close to combat they will be whittled down significantly leaving the sluggas untouched to do what they do best.

The Shoota shield tactic will be in high use in the coming edition.