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Made in eg
[MOD]
Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

& we're back with our second exciting look at the days of yore!

Today we have White Dwarf 97, published WAY back in January 1988, making it 20 years old!
Brought to you by www.nobleknight.com.




The new releases for Warhammer 40k continue with zoats and squats!







Please note the prominent citidel logo on the bottom of the squat ad! They'll try to deny it but we have PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF!

Fantasy releases include dwarfs


Halflings


And of course, that classic GW 100% original idea, the Balgorg


I never understood why GW let that Peter Jackson guy rip off their IP the way he did in those movies 5 years ago.

As far as company news there's a great article about GW plastics and whether or not they might someday replace metal models.


I'll be back soon with the latest 20 year old news on Warhammer 40k and of course the Secret Origin of the Ultramarines!

 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control






Plano, Texas

OOh please post some info on the ultramarines. I've been watching this issue on ebay to get the ultramarines stuff.

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Ultramarines army Profile

Inquisition army profile

My Titan PLOG

My Imperial PLOG


 
   
Made in eg
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Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

& we're back!

This issue also had an article about Rick Priestly being hard at work answering questions on 40k.

Apparently he's still at :S
(sorry for the crappy scan)


And also had an ad for the Book of the Astronomicon, the first 40k suplement. I have a photocopy of it but would kill (or at least injure, maybe even pay) for a real copy.



& an early design for a gargant


& a painted tyranid


join us next time, for the SECRETS OF THE ULTRAMARINES!

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Made in us
Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran






Maple Valley, Washington, Holy Terra

This is one of my favorite issues of White Dwarf!!!

"Calgar hates Tyranids."

Your #1 Fan  
   
Made in eg
[MOD]
Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

& we're back with an in-depth look at Trilogy of Terror, this issue's three Call of Cthulhu adventures!

Nah, just kidding. It's time for SECRETS OF THE ULTRAMARINES!

So y'say y'know all about the Ultramarines huh? You know about their fall to Chaos right? Do you know how they were refounded during the 3rd founding? Their desert world? Their quadraplegic chapter master? Their half eldar-Librarian?

Then you don't know the Ultramarines!

But now you will!


I love this image, along with the image of the Mentor Legion commander (coming soon!) it's one of the ones that sold me on 40k. I have the figure for this and still use him as my marine commander for my all RT marine army. Just sitting in his chair, looking mean, just saying, 'don't make me get outta my chair and whoop yo ass' to any heretics or xenos who come by. Love him.

And his chapter:


Vision-impaired transcript
Chapter Ultra-marine of the Legiones Astartes was founding during the inter-legionary wars of the thirty-second millennium. tradition places the date at 4001001.M32 - the very first day of the millennium. The chapter is therefore over eight thousand years old, making it a chapter of the third founding. Upon its inception, the Emperor gave the chapter the number 13 - formerly the number of one of the treacher-legions (sic) now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honours erased'.

And here's the commander himself:


And the chief librarian


Note "Illyan was born to a human mother on the world of Badab following the expulsion of the Tyrant there in 912 of the current millennium. His father was an unknown Eldar mercenary."
And y'all know who the Tyrant of Badab is right? Oh yeah. Continuity. That's the stuff. Unless of course you're the REAL ULTRAMARINES, in which case you get sent off to play with the Squats and the Zoats. Y'know, I think I'll model him up one of these days. He can join the 82nd Airborne marines...

Some of their organization and markings:




and a squad


that's about it for this issue of Retro Reviews but if you have any questions about the REAL ULTRAMARINES let me know.

 
   
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Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

oh and something barely related from www.somethingawful.com

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Foul Dwimmerlaik






Minneapolis, MN

Kid_Kyoto wrote:


A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.



   
Made in gb
Highlord of Terra






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Tough fellow. Lesser men would remove the powerfist before they wipe.

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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

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Made in jp
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Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

So it is true that the Ultra Marines use "gene-sperm" instead of geneseed!

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
Made in jp
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Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

Hellfury wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:


A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.




He's a brave man, taking a dump with a couple of veliciraptors in the background. Perhaps they are pets.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Sentient OverBear






Clearwater, FL

I actually like that older tyranid; kind of dinosaur-alienish.

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- BBAP

 
   
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets





Not a member of the Get Along Gang

Treacher-legions!

Heeheehee
   
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Destructive Daemon Prince





Albany, NY

Kid_Kyoto wrote:So y'say y'know all about the Ultramarines huh? You know about their fall to Chaos right? Do you know how they were refounded during the 3rd founding? Their desert world? Their quadraplegic chapter master? Their half eldar-Librarian?

WHOA ()

Kid_Kyoto wrote:... formerly the number of one of the teacher-legions (sic) now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honours erased'.

Malf?

And I want some $7 zoats

- Salvage

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Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

Kilkrazy wrote:
Hellfury wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:


A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.




He's a brave man, taking a dump with a couple of veliciraptors in the background. Perhaps they are pets.


Somehow I suspect Lord Calgar is not getting all the respect he deserves.

For the record he uses severer raptor heads as his writing table. Cause that's how he rolls.

And I missed the gene-sprem line till Killkrazy pointed it out.
And I checked turns out treacher is a real word, it means cheater or traitor and comes from the same root. See you learn something every day.

 
   
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Perth

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Chapter Ultra-marine of the Legiones Astartes was founding during the inter-legionary wars of the thirty-second millennium. tradition places the date at 4001001.M32 - the very first day of the millennium. The chapter is therefore over eight thousand years old, making it a chapter of the third founding. Upon its inception, the Emperor gave the chapter the number 13 - formerly the number of one of the treacher-legions (sic) now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honours erased'.

See - this is the kind of stuff I love about 40K. GW makes X-Men retcons look like a minor incident. What cracks me up, though, is that this WD is now so long in our past that folks have forgotten it.

I've sworn to people before, and I can't find it anywhere anymore, but somewhere there's a piece of text in a WD about how not only were the Crimson Fists a First Founding chapter (alluded to in the two-page spread in RT), but that they were at the Istvaan Massacre. Maybe Kid can dig that up....or maybe I really was hallucinating about that. But the find of retcon fluff above makes me think I'm not so crazy after all.

Man, I wish there was a real Black Library where I could get a Black Library Card and take out Black Library Books without having to buy them. Of course, late fees would be your soul. But it would be worth it. - InquisitorMack 
   
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
Hellfury wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Image removed for the sake of electrons


A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.




He's a brave man, taking a dump with a couple of veliciraptors in the background. Perhaps they are pets.


Somehow I suspect Lord Calgar is not getting all the respect he deserves.

For the record he uses severer raptor heads as his writing table. Cause that's how he rolls.

And I missed the gene-sprem line till Killkrazy pointed it out.
And I checked turns out treacher is a real word, it means cheater or traitor and comes from the same root. See you learn something every day.


Who says wargaming isn't educational.

Lord Calgar will get my respeck when he becomes a playa.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/02/08 16:32:12


I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut



Brotherhood of Blood

Gotta love the High tea scheduled at 2000. Real marines drink tea and Calgar doesn't use TP he just picks up a gaunt instead of fluffy bunny's and uses the pointed teeth end.
   
Made in us
Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran






Maple Valley, Washington, Holy Terra

For further reading: Anyone who likes this iteration of the Ultra-marines (note: not "Ultramarines!") should take a look at the 1988 edition of Warhammer Siege. The first version of the Battle for Macragge is pretty neat, what with the Zoat's charging across the plain and stuff. They also besiege some Space Orks!

Kyoto, clearly we are of a mind on this. I have that picture of Calgar as my desktop background, and use that miniature whenever Calgar takes the field. There's no school like the old school! (And yes, all of my opponent's claim he's taking a dump.)

"Calgar hates Tyranids."

Your #1 Fan  
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut





OKC, OK USA

No wonder there are no female marines if they only get 30 minutes in the bathroom.

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Fresh-Faced New User




Kid_Kyoto wrote:

As far as company news there's a great article about GW plastics and whether or not they might someday replace metal models.


I'll be back soon with the latest 20 year old news on Warhammer 40k and of course the Secret Origin of the Ultramarines!


Do my eyes decive me or does it say make gameing CHEAPER somewhere in their - i see no proff of this! ( nor i bet does any body elese)

if you carnt find it is almost at the close of the picture

does this prove once and for all they are lyers or jsut short sited? make up your own mind i did
   
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SoCal, USA!

Kilkrazy wrote:Lord Calgar will get my respeck when he becomes a playa.


Dude, you respect the man, or he'll pimp-slap you down!

[Thumb - PimpedBling.jpg]


   
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Wilmington DE

See! See! That's when 40k was FUN. F U N.

I want my jokero back :(

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I think the lesson here is the best way to enjoy GW's games is to not use any of their rules.--Crimson Devil 
   
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Don't forget that the Ravenwing were started by Captain Oblonski during a planetary siege.

Ahh, old school background. How I miss you.
   
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Battleship Captain





Perth

syr8766 wrote:I want my jokero back :(


Codex: Space Orangutans ftw!

Man, I wish there was a real Black Library where I could get a Black Library Card and take out Black Library Books without having to buy them. Of course, late fees would be your soul. But it would be worth it. - InquisitorMack 
   
Made in jp
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:Lord Calgar will get my respeck when he becomes a playa.


Dude, you respect the man, or he'll pimp-slap you down!


Respeck! Respeck! to Lord Calgar!!!

He has shoulder pads bigger than my CAR!!1!

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Death By Monkeys wrote:
syr8766 wrote:I want my jokero back :(


Codex: Space Orangutans ftw!


Um, have you guys checked out AT-43 recently?

Here come the jokero robot suit masters!

Infinity: Way, way better than 40K and more affordable to boot!

"If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citadel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question. " -Ouze 
   
Made in eg
[MOD]
Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

Death By Monkeys wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:

See - this is the kind of stuff I love about 40K. GW makes X-Men retcons look like a minor incident. What cracks me up, though, is that this WD is now so long in our past that folks have forgotten it.

I've sworn to people before, and I can't find it anywhere anymore, but somewhere there's a piece of text in a WD about how not only were the Crimson Fists a First Founding chapter (alluded to in the two-page spread in RT), but that they were at the Istvaan Massacre. Maybe Kid can dig that up....or maybe I really was hallucinating about that. But the find of retcon fluff above makes me think I'm not so crazy after all.


I dunno, other than Chapter Ultra-Marines vs the Ultramarines there really haven't been too many retcons. A few years back they even refered to the Battle of the Farm fluff (the sample battle in Rogue Trader which starts with an errant missile destroying the Crimson Fist's fortress killing all but 15 of them).

I can't remember ever seeing that bit of CF fluff but my Rogue Trader archives are far from complete. Anyone else able to chime in?


 
   
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Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

Pariah Press wrote: For further reading: Anyone who likes this iteration of the Ultra-marines (note: not "Ultramarines!") should take a look at the 1988 edition of Warhammer Siege. The first version of the Battle for Macragge is pretty neat, what with the Zoat's charging across the plain and stuff. They also besiege some Space Orks!

Kyoto, clearly we are of a mind on this. I have that picture of Calgar as my desktop background, and use that miniature whenever Calgar takes the field. There's no school like the old school! (And yes, all of my opponent's claim he's taking a dump.)


Care to post some scans? It's not like I'm the only one allowed to do retro reviews.

 
   
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

These issues are 20 years old. No-one who is younger than 35 now is likely to have ever seen them, so it's not surprising that the majority of players don't realise the retconning.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Madrak Ironhide







Nah, retconning is cool, except when you kill off a marriage
to Mary Jane.

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