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I played a game using looted wagons with boom cannons and found that they just suck. I fielded 2 and the first got destroyed on round one and the other got a shot off witch missed a landraider then promptly got destroyed in round 2. I racked my brian all last night and came up with the idea to buy them very cheeply and use them as a blockade for my advancing 6 truck boy mobs. I was wondering if anyone else had used them in this way? and if so with what results? I figgure a little bit of scratch bilding on the old rhino hull and I'll have 3 looted wagons with ( 'ard case ) about 6" long each. Making a 18" movable piece of terrian to hide my advance. Let me know what you think.

Well, if you are going to use them as a shield, make sure that the models are nice and big, and tall!

If 5e really does go WYSIWYG for line of site, this could be a huge advantage in modeling. Is there anything that says that your looted wagons can't be bigger than your battlewagons?????? A bit expensive, but if you feel that it needs to be basically a lightly modified unit, then you could use land raiders as they are a bit bigger.

Evil, I know,.... perhaps even cheap, but using modeling to your advantage is just part of the game I guess.

Well I'll post some pics but going out and buying three landraiders as a shield seems like an expencive waste of money lol.

Ok here are some pics of the first of three moble walls, I can hide a landraider behind this puppy WYSIWYG! lol and it is very orky indead.

I support the yakface rule number one too, but this is just cheap

Explane please, the idea actulaly came from a choas player useing the same tacktic with is three or four rhinos why is it %$#&!@$ cheep if I use it?

You're missing the point.

It's cheap when the chaos player used it.
It remains cheap if you use it.

It remains cheap. I'll just end the sentence there.

the whole point of putting a WALL on your TANK to block Line of sight is as cheap as it gets.

what's next? 18 inch long skorchas?

Ok it's cheep fine I'll give you that. But is it viable? will it work?

Anung Un Rama wrote:the whole point of putting a WALL on your TANK to block Line of sight is as cheap as it gets.

what's next? 18 inch long skorchas?

A vehical blocks line of sight to another vehical end of story wall no wall what ever size 3 blocks line of sight to size 3.

and the wall more of a gag orky thing then LOS blocker

This isn't the first time somebody has proposed such shenanigans.

As an idea it's hilarious, but in terms of affecting actual game play, it's downright lame. If I squared off against an army attempting to do such under the guise of "fluff", it would be the last time I'd ever choose to play against them. Just my 2c.

Ok Teek would the "shield" be less effective If I cut the wall down or removed it intirely?

well, putting aside whether or not it is cheap, they will save your other vehicles and troops for one turn, they would likely all get penetrating 6's so they would be gone.

I could see the orks try some wakass like that though.

My thoughts exactly yamato, besides I've seen this same tactic done by numerous marine armys...

As a tactic it might work, but remember that the average board is littered with difficult terrain choke points as it is and when these pop (and they will) they are going to be big, annoying obstacles which may block the lines of approach of your trukks.
I've never had too much trouble with just hiding behind terrain or making a dash for it to be honest. It's not much good as a shield with AV11 anyway, people will just pop it and then pop the trukks behind it with another unit.
By all means try it out, but don't be suprised if a few opponents grumble about it.
I say it serves everybody right for GW not bothering to give us models or conversion kits for our tanks. The lazy gits.

The point of contention is using a bolt-on wall to block more area than the vehicle would usually block. House rules, magic cylinder, crouch down and look across the table, how you usually choose to determine LOS from attackers POV will affect the impact these walls have.

For example, if you play with a "magic cylinder" approach, that looted wagon will block line of sight in the same way, with or without a big wall tacked on. No harm no foul, and the wall can be written off as "characterful" and "representative of the army fluff" or whatnot. However, if that wall is being used to block LOS over and above what the wagon itself will block? Then that's getting beardy.

Running your army up behind a "wall" of protective vehicles is nothing new, widely used, and completely viable. For the points I'd do that with Battlewagons for the higher AV and the fact that you can model the vehicle itself larger without having to resort to bolt on walls, but that's just me. However physically adding walls to vehicles to increase the cover above what they would normally grant is just plain cheesy, and of course open to the discretion of those you're playing against. Show them beforehand, explain the exact function, and if they choose to accept it, go nuts and advance behind a wall of AV11 screening wagons.

Teek wrote:The point of contention is using a bolt-on wall to block more area than the vehicle would usually block. House rules, magic cylinder, crouch down and look across the table, how you usually choose to determine LOS from attackers POV will affect the impact these walls have.

For example, if you play with a "magic cylinder" approach, that looted wagon will block line of sight in the same way, with or without a big wall tacked on. No harm no foul, and the wall can be written off as "characterful" and "representative of the army fluff" or whatnot. However, if that wall is being used to block LOS over and above what the wagon itself will block? Then that's getting beardy.

Running your army up behind a "wall" of protective vehicles is nothing new, widely used, and completely viable. For the points I'd do that with Battlewagons for the higher AV and the fact that you can model the vehicle itself larger without having to resort to bolt on walls, but that's just me. However physically adding walls to vehicles to increase the cover above what they would normally grant is just plain cheesy, and of course open to the discretion of those you're playing against. Show them beforehand, explain the exact function, and if they choose to accept it, go nuts and advance behind a wall of AV11 screening wagons.

We play "magic cylinder" I guess you would call it......

Then you should be fine, but then that begs the question: what brutal ork graffiti will the boys slap on the sides?

I'm opened to suggestions..... In fact I think it would be a cool Idea If I were to move the finished articles to modeling and name the topic Tag My Ride. lol

Rather than making your use of modelling totally transparent, just build a ridiculaously huge (but really interesting-looking) looted wagon/battlewagon/whatever. Same effect, less likely to bring out objections from other players. Heck, most folks will say "It's totally not to your advantage to field something so huge, but whatever floats your boat."

If you wanna build big, do it in 3 dimensions.

Krom&Krog said:
"OK here are some pics of the first of three moble walls, I can hide a landraider behind this puppy WYSIWYG! lol and it is very orky indead."

Lame.
Sincity

Well after looking at them finished and giving it a great deal of thought I removed the walls and have now desided to put rollers of some sort under the vehicals to A) give it height and B) make it more orky looking

Not lame, funny and lame. But the joke will get old really quick. Just make 'em bigger, and it's not a big deal.

Sincity wrote:Lame.
Sincity

Lame.

I have to say I love the conversion, LOL! If any army would have the idea to build such a thing it would be the greenskins!!

I do have to agree with the fact that it's pushing the limit on being a good model to bring to the table cept for a "fun game".

I think that you're wasting your points with the AV11 as they'll get popped in the first turn and I would dare say a Mech styled list would eat the rest of your army behind them apart.

I would go with the Battlewagons stripped down to a bare minimum first and see that happens. The thing is they're going to have to be wide and your opponent is probably still going to get a shot off on the side AV12? so it's kind of a toss up as to how it'll work for you.

I played a list recently with two battlewagons for the purpose of shielding a footslogging list and also with a roller to hopefully squish some things. Well, by turn two both were heaps of flaming junk, so that idea was tossed.

I'd like to suggest you try the buggies. Model some up bigger as the ones out are in dire need of a redo! Make a unit of three with twin linked rockets and riggas for 45 each. Use a couple of units if you have points at 135 a unit it's not bad. Pray to Mork for 1st turn and shoot them across 24" and but the trucks up behind them. I'm going to try this in my next game and see how it works.



Peace,

wOOkie

I agree battle wagons are far to expencive to use as shields and for the same price as the buggies 45 pnts. a piece I get a closed top 11/11/10 instead of a open toped 10/10/10 If this dose not work I'll drop the looted wagon as a viable option in the new dex.

Looted wagon without wall..... better?

I'm thinking about putting on a big shoota/rokkit so the first weapon destroyed result won't immoblize it. Thoughts?

cheese