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if a unit is immune to all psychic abilities freindly or enemy. does that include force weapons or does the force weapon still work?

It will still count as a power weapon but will cont confer its other special rules on models in that unit. Which unit are you thinking of?

As far as I know the force weapons special rules will be nullified however like Negativemoney pointed out it still counts as a power weapon.

Negativemoney wrote:It will still count as a power weapon but will cont confer its other special rules on models in that unit. Which unit are you thinking of?

Only thing I can think of that does this is the Demonhunter wargear item called the Null Rod. Makes you totaly immune to psykic powers, but you are also unable to use or be effected by friendly ones as well.

Is a force weapon technically psykic though? Is that fluff or rules that defines it as psykic?

Never forget that a DH's Mystics will also be null rodded. LOL.

i was actualy refering to the bio titan from warhammer apocalypse. said they have multiple heads and not subject to psychic powers enemy or friendly.

sorry the tyranid bio titan has multi brains not multi heads.

Read the next paragraph, it specifically states that Force Weapons (and other weapons that "automatically kill" the model) inflict D3 wounds.

Ventus wrote:Is a force weapon technically psykic though? Is that fluff or rules that defines it as psykic?

A force weapon requires a psychic test to use and counts towards the maximum number of powers a model can use per turn to activate. I'd say that classifies it as technically psychic.

As Cheexsta has stated for this particular example the force weapon will cause D3 Wounds. But as Dakkaladd and I have previously stated that a Force weapon does in fact count as a psychic power.

Using a force weapon per say is not the same as using a psychic power, using the special instakill rule however is.

Think of the weapon as a conduit that allows the psycher to reach out and blast the mind of the targeton a wounding hit, the mind blasting is the psychic power, the physical hit however remains a physical wound caused by a power weapon.

Actually using a force weapon is considered a psychic power. Thus a librarian wishing to use his force weapon in assault may not have used a power previously that turn. It requires a psychic test and is therefore affected by enemy psychic hoods and eldar runes of warding.

so are eldar direswords an exception to the rule for force weapons?

what i mean is in the eldar codex it doesnt say that i have to make a ld check for the force to work. it says that i make you take a ld check for each unsaved wound. in the BGB does it say all force weapons require a ld check?

I think that refer's to phycic attacks. I dont know that a force weapon is a phycic attack.

remember that a codex will always override the BGB when it comes to rules. My particular post earlier specifically referred to a force weapon carried by a space marine librarian. There are other force weapons (like the nemesis force weapons used by grey knights) that do not require a psychic test to use because they do not have that ability unless the model using it is a Grand Master. And yes, the use of a force weapon's wound removing ability after dealing a wound to a model is in fact a psychic attack.

Where does it say its a psycic attack. He attacks with his WS. Unlike what I would consider a psycic attack which is when he rolls leadership to do some spell or somthing and that spell or what not is what actually attacks the model like an IG psykers psycic lash etc.

Dakkaladd has it slightly wrong above. Correct about not being able to use the force weapons psychic attack, incorrect that you cannot wield the force weapon in the assault.

A Lib that uses his psychic power in a previous phase of the turn before assaulting, can still wield his force weapon in the assault phase. However if he fights a multi-wound creature he will be unable to take advantage of the force weapon's extra property to do multiple wounds because it does require a psych test. It will however still inflict a wound as a power weapon since force weapons are to act as power weapons with an additional special ability.

Ah, perhaps I was not entirely clear. Yes, a model may always use a force weapon conventionally in the assault phase, it is simply a power weapon. When I say "use" I mean in an active sense, using the psychic power to remove all remaining wounds from a model wounded by the force weapon.