Are the new VC broken/cheezy?

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**Marshal Torrick**

I think not, but don't have a ton of time so tell me what you all think and why.

**Arion**

i've played against the new VC army 3-4 times now, and Havn't lost yet. My problem is that they have alot more ooptions for their characters than most armies. also there are some ambiguities in the army book that need to be addressed, like can Invocation of nehheck be cast into combate, and do black knights ignore the movment penalties for barding.

**cypher**

First vote
Na, they arent. They are just heavily dependent on magic and chars which leads to the army types that people usually dont like.

**papasmrf667**

Blood Knights are a pain i have a friend who constanly fields a unit every game.

I hate the blood knights!
however i did get a lucky cannon shot off at the flank one time and it was quite devastating

**nikeforever22**

Blood knights aren't as good as regular black knights. Frenzy is a liability. Also, they're a point sink.

**orkyboss30000**

blood knights cost more than an ogre irongut and can be baited i played them once and filled them with lead from my jezzails

**studderingdave**

no, its just new army book craze, it will die down in a few months.

**Dakkaladd**

Interesting. My experience with VC is that played correctly they are nigh unbeatable. My biggest issue with them is the helm of command. It takes their biggest weakness (poor WS) and basically eradicates. Sure it is only usable on one unit within 12" but there is rarely more than one critical combat happening a turn and this item allows an already useful tarpit unit to be seriously unmangeable. But maybe I'm just bitter because I play TK and vampire counts pretty much slaughter me.

**Miguelsan**

New book = New tactics

People usually are lazy to change tactics and lists so everytime a new codex is released we have the same problem. VC are broken in the same way that HE and Chaos were a few months back.
After the codex spreads around some players will discover ubber lists and their oponents will find the counters, nothing new here.
What is broken in the last few codexes is the herohammer feel creeping back to FB.

M.

**Ozymandias**

I must be terrible as I've lost most of my games so far with the new book but won most of my games with the old book....

I blame it on two things:
1) Playing Wood Elves for too long.
2) Not experienced enough with the way I'm playing my Vamps now.

So no, I don't think they are cheezy.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

**blackgaurd**

Miguelsan wrote:
What is broken in the last few codexes is the herohammer feel creeping back to FB.

M.

You my friend have hit the nail on the head. Exhibit A Techlis