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augfubuoy wrote:
Meh, I think the 'Nids will still die. You can't evolve to a point where getting blown to atoms means you're not dead and they're living things that still need food and internal organs so they can still be killed. If the 'Nids penetrate far into the Imperium, they'll just die to ALL THE OTHER RACES! I mean, when the 'Nids go into Imperial space, it isn't just the Imperium that fights it. And anyway, we'd just have to up recruitment by 5 times IF we even ASSUME that the Hive Fleets are scouts (from the 'Nid Codex)!

More likely, all the races will continue to fight each other until the Eldar and some Inquisitors seal up the Eye and the other races are just kept at bay. By the way, I'm a loyal servant of the Emperor, I just suggest consulting with Eldar to get more information on how to kill demons, and, if any race were to seal up the Eye of Terror, it would be the Eldar but with the help of Alpha-Plus psykers supplied by the Imperium.

First, you don't know what the Nids are capable of doing. In fact, therein lies the problem, no-one does. And you think Nids aren't perfectly adaptable for fighting the other races? Read up on Hive Fleet Gorgon (the Tau were getting beaten so bad they needed the Imperium's help to stop them because the Nids kept on changing and adapting), or the Ghorala Swarm (Nids adapt to find a way to eliminate an Ork Waaagh! that outnumbered them 2:1), or Hive Fleet Kraken (who could match the Eldar's weapons in every aspect and nearly destroyed the Iyanden Eldar. P.S. they succeeded in killing 3/4 of them). There's even a mention that if Hive Fleet Behemoth had veered just slightly in its warpath toward Macragge, it would have completely obliterated the Tau Empire before it could get on its feet. The Tyranids are more than capable of handling themselves against more than just the fleshy humans. And last time I checked, every race "can be killed." It's simply a matter of how difficult they are to kill. Nids have numbers on their side, and they never run out of troops, they lose some, they just melt them down and make more. As long as there's biomass to be eaten, they will grow and grow and grow, and adapt and adapt and adapt. It's like a biological super-computer virus that changes every time you try to shut it down.

It's been mentioned countless times, even in quotes by Inquisitors of the Imperium, that if the Tyranids aren't stopped, their rapid adaption will be the doom of the galaxy.

And as for Eldar and Inquisitors sealing the Eye of Terror: . Eldar and the Imperium only ever work together when the situation is extremely dire. If they were going to team up and hold hands to "close the Eye of Terror" (good luck with that, by the way) they would have tried it a long time ago. The Imperium hates Xenos (especially the Inquisitors *caugh* ORDOS XENOS *cough*) , and the Eldar hate the Imperium. Not to mention, the Eldar are almost extinct.

If anyone is going to go through with their plans for the galaxy it will be Tyranids (my best guess), Necrons (second guess), or Orks (unlikely, since they aren't smart enough to band together, but it's more probable than "The Eldar and Inquisitors teaming up to close the Eye of Terror.")

First of all, Nids are deathly (pun) scared of Necrons. In the quick flick I got of the 'Nid codex it pointed out a large portion of Hive Fleet Behemoth that when way out of it's way just to avoid Necron space, and there are a few examples of Necrons kicking 'Nid ass in the 'Nid codex.

Secondly, I think augfubuoy may be on to something. You do realise that all involved would have to be interroagted and executed afterwards though, right?

Sorry EF the nids aren't scared of necrons and that will be their doom.

Necrons and their C'tan masters know how to erase biomatter.
Nothing to reabsorb.
If the C'tan awaken fully and as "predators" ( harvesting others ) never accept the idea of sharing their "food", the
Nids will be beaten badly enough to have the hivemind reconsider its entry into this galaxy.
Won't happen soon, so we get to play the fights before the nids get thrown out.

Emperors Faithful wrote:First of all, Nids are deathly (pun) scared of Necrons. In the quick flick I got of the 'Nid codex it pointed out a large portion of Hive Fleet Behemoth that when way out of it's way just to avoid Necron space, and there are a few examples of Necrons kicking 'Nid ass in the 'Nid codex.

Secondly, I think augfubuoy may be on to something. You do realise that all involved would have to be interroagted and executed afterwards though, right?

Tyranids do not understand the concept of fear, so that is fallacy. They likely ignored Necron space because Necrons destroy biomatter. If there's no biomater in a sector, why go there?

Also, the fact that Necrons are not made of biomass and thereby quite resistant to the Tyranid threat is the reason I would put Necrons as the #2 threat to the galaxy.

We just need the Emperor to get off his boney ass!
Either that or Tau, and The Imperium Team up to kick ass. Or Eldar just escape into the webway. Well no more extiniction for them. My job here is done.

What? Xenos in our team?

utter heresy

YOU A HERETIC FOR SAYING AN INQUISTOR LORDS IS A HERETIC!

Asherian Command wrote:
.....Tau, and The Imperium Team up....

Proof of xeno contacts.

Tainting the imperial vox-channels with xeno's blathering about "kreater kood" is considered wasting his most holy ressources.
Purge yourself, Lord inquisitor.

But i cleasned them after the afair. They were just toys for the Well being of the Imperium! I cleansed 10 worlds! Now they are no longer a threat.

Your purity is in question. You can only be exonnorated through extreme interrogation and purgation.

I'd rather we teamed up with the Eldar. They're prettier.

The fact that they're willing to follow a live and let live policy as long as you avoid their ancestral planets and will fight against the same foes as you do probably helps. Yes, they'll redirect foes to attack your strongholds. The Imperium does the same back. As long as they stay out of the webway the eldar don't think humans need exterminating.

The dark eldar would never exterminate them either, but for rather different reasons...

*wonders what tau taste like*

The Maiden Worlds belong to the Imperium now. Sorry, Eldar, you blew your chance.

@Manchu: What I believe you mean is...

The Imperium wrote:All your Maiden Worlds are belong to us.

@Morgrim: Different Eldar have different views, Biel-Tan (and Saim-Hann to some extent) are massively xenocidal and will go out of thier way to kill humans in the same breath as an ork or nid. Other Craftworlds, such as Iyanden or Alaitoc, prefer to be left to their own devices, and may evem prove to be allies.

i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Yea damnit what's this about space pixies with cofnetti shooting guns and vibrator cannons?

Not that I won a Eldar army or anything. >.>

Shadowbrand wrote:Yea damnit what's this about space pixies with cofnetti shooting guns and vibrator cannons?

Not that I won a Eldar army or anything. >.>

Yeah, this is about Chaos and The Emprahs Forces..what the hell??

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Non-humans too?

Can we shove the heretics to the xenos category, IMO they lost any right to call themselves humans...

1hadhq wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Non-humans too?

Can we shove the heretics to the xenos category, IMO they lost any right to call themselves humans...

no, just because most Chaos Followers have mutations and altered mental capabilities, they're still human!

Darth Bob wrote:

augfubuoy wrote:
Meh, I think the 'Nids will still die. You can't evolve to a point where getting blown to atoms means you're not dead and they're living things that still need food and internal organs so they can still be killed. If the 'Nids penetrate far into the Imperium, they'll just die to ALL THE OTHER RACES! I mean, when the 'Nids go into Imperial space, it isn't just the Imperium that fights it. And anyway, we'd just have to up recruitment by 5 times IF we even ASSUME that the Hive Fleets are scouts (from the 'Nid Codex)!

More likely, all the races will continue to fight each other until the Eldar and some Inquisitors seal up the Eye and the other races are just kept at bay. By the way, I'm a loyal servant of the Emperor, I just suggest consulting with Eldar to get more information on how to kill demons, and, if any race were to seal up the Eye of Terror, it would be the Eldar but with the help of Alpha-Plus psykers supplied by the Imperium.

First, you don't know what the Nids are capable of doing. In fact, therein lies the problem, no-one does. And you think Nids aren't perfectly adaptable for fighting the other races? Read up on Hive Fleet Gorgon (the Tau were getting beaten so bad they needed the Imperium's help to stop them because the Nids kept on changing and adapting), or the Ghorala Swarm (Nids adapt to find a way to eliminate an Ork Waaagh! that outnumbered them 2:1), or Hive Fleet Kraken (who could match the Eldar's weapons in every aspect and nearly destroyed the Iyanden Eldar. P.S. they succeeded in killing 3/4 of them). There's even a mention that if Hive Fleet Behemoth had veered just slightly in its warpath toward Macragge, it would have completely obliterated the Tau Empire before it could get on its feet. The Tyranids are more than capable of handling themselves against more than just the fleshy humans. And last time I checked, every race "can be killed." It's simply a matter of how difficult they are to kill. Nids have numbers on their side, and they never run out of troops, they lose some, they just melt them down and make more. As long as there's biomass to be eaten, they will grow and grow and grow, and adapt and adapt and adapt. It's like a biological super-computer virus that changes every time you try to shut it down.

It's been mentioned countless times, even in quotes by Inquisitors of the Imperium, that if the Tyranids aren't stopped, their rapid adaption will be the doom of the galaxy.

And as for Eldar and Inquisitors sealing the Eye of Terror: . Eldar and the Imperium only ever work together when the situation is extremely dire. If they were going to team up and hold hands to "close the Eye of Terror" (good luck with that, by the way) they would have tried it a long time ago. The Imperium hates Xenos (especially the Inquisitors *caugh* ORDOS XENOS *cough*) , and the Eldar hate the Imperium. Not to mention, the Eldar are almost extinct.

If anyone is going to go through with their plans for the galaxy it will be Tyranids (my best guess), Necrons (second guess), or Orks (unlikely, since they aren't smart enough to band together, but it's more probable than "The Eldar and Inquisitors teaming up to close the Eye of Terror.")

Well, I did acknowledge that 'Nids are very big, but I just also pointed out that they could be defeated by just the Imperium if we stepped up recruitment by 500% (I got this from last edition 'Nid Codex which, AFAIK is still pretty reliable). And anyway, the Imperium and Eldar do team up sometimes, like in Ordo Herecticus (maybe Xenos?) when Inquisitor Gideon Ravenor teams up with an Eldar Farseer (and Gregor Eisenhorn) to stop the Heretic Pontius Glaw from destroying the Galaxy. There you go. And anyway, you even admitted that they would work together if the threat was large enough, which, going by what you've been saying, 'Nids are a large threat. Am I missing something here ?

By the way, Ravenor was Ordos Xenos. Come on man!

Besides, I was just using the EOT as an example of something they might want to fix up together... yeesh.

Also, with your stuff about Inquisitors saying that Tyranids will overrun the Galaxy if they aren't stopped: DUH! If the Orks or the Necrons or Chaos are never stopped they too will win. I'm just saying that they (the 'Nids) will be stopped and saying reasons why/how.

And, lastly, to address my fellow servant of the Emperor Emperor's Faithful (what a mouthful!), who are we to predict the path of the Inquisition? Most Inquisitors aren't all Hardline Puritans! The Inquisition may or may not make allies (however temporarily) with Xenos species, and we may or may not be executed for our ideas, but the important thing to do is to trust that the Inquisition will make the correct decision, for to doubt His Holy Inquisition is the truest and darkest Heresy of all.

Just to point out, that 500% conscription increase statistic was an estimation on behalf of some Imperial official or some sort. So it's not exactly solid.

@augfuboy: Wuh? What did I say? Meh, the Inquisition must STILL serve the Emperor. We must abide by the guidelines that He has set down for us.

1hadhq wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Non-humans too?

Can we shove the heretics to the xenos category, IMO they lost any right to call themselves humans...

IMO they are more like Sub-human beings, just like ratlings, ogrins and the Interex, except unnatural.



The eldar have almost died out, but the powerful tau empire.

Which (IMHO) should be rounded up and purged with the rest of those inhuman scum...

augfubuoy wrote:
And, lastly, to address my fellow servant of the Emperor Emperor's Faithful (what a mouthful!), who are we to predict the path of the Inquisition? Most Inquisitors aren't all Hardline Puritans! The Inquisition may or may not make allies (however temporarily) with Xenos species, and we may or may not be executed for our ideas, but the important thing to do is to trust that the Inquisition will make the correct decision, for to doubt His Holy Inquisition is the truest and darkest Heresy of all.

I believe it was said somewhere that it was not the role of an Inquisitor to survive, but to serve the Emperor in all things; I don't think there has been a single incident in fluff of an Inquisitor retiring, and only a small percentage die of illness or old age. Just as they have spent their lives fighting the most terrible of darkness on the Emperor's name so they expect that it shall one day consume them, and better to die on that day then to become that which they have sort to destroy. (Admittedly Ordo Xenos has the easiest time here, it's harder to successfully 'fall' to xenos than it is to be tempted to use the weapons of chaos against that which formed then or to slip from the Emperors light into radicalism and then heresy.


If an Inquisitor has learned that the only way to safeguard some position vital to the Imperium is to side with xenos, it is his duty to do so. If such an act will itself hurt the Imperium, he must decide if that which he saves is greater than that which he shall help destroy and what the xenos will gain combined. If the choice is to lose an industrial world or hive world, vs damaging a small, minor feudal world, and if doing so will weaken the xenos that he shall aid, then it seems hatred for the alien may have to give way to practicality and service.

The service comes in the response. It is highly likely other Inquisitors will learn what he has done, and that he shall have to explain his actions and his reasons; in this case he should make a full discloser and accept whatever is decided in response. And if the verdict of the Inquisition is to sentence him to death then this must be accepted. Let him die with a smile on his face and peace in his heart, as he knows his spirit shall head to the Emperor's light for everything he did was to protect the Imperium in the Emperor's name.




Right, I'm shutting up now before EF starts accusing me of actually having loyalist traits buried under layers of heresy.

Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

As for retirement, I'm pretty sure there IS a form of it. Such as settling down and teaching the young 'uns. Or perhaps passing your title on to another, younger face. Who knows? *shrug*

They ussually die before too long, so the Imperium hasn't exactly invested in an Inquisitorial Retirement Scheme.

@EF: All I was saying was that we might be executed, but we might not due to varying levels of Radicallism in the Inquisition and whether or not allying with Xenos would be, to members of the Inquisition, a good idea. That's all.

About the reliability of the conscription rate quote: what other source can we get for the size of the Tyranids/amount of defenses needed to stop them? AFAIK, the 'Nids don't publish papers or keep records of the other Tyranids outside/inside the Galaxy right? And anyway, why would Inquisitorial quotes in a Tyranid Codex be invalid? I mean, we all know that each codex makes their faction out to be the best right? So, if anything, the estimation would be HIGHER than how many 'Nids there actually are assuming we agree on the pro-'Nid bias of the Codex.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

I think you have more than enough, the question is would I actually survive said immolation.

Morgrim wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

I think you have more than enough, the question is would I actually survive said immolation.

The question is not whether you would survive the immolation, the question is whether your survival really matters.


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@augfubuoy: I was merely pointing out that it's an In-Character prediction, not anything particularily solid from the gamemaker. (What's this doing on this thread anyway?)

I don't know. We (or, rather, I) should just stop this line of thinking. It'll only lead to anger, flaming, banishment, and, worst of all, Heresy.