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Fateweaver wrote:I'm thinking plastic DP and plastic Seekers released in March. The DP ties in to both the Daemon and CSM armies though I'm not sure if generic daemon cavalry exist anymore (been a while since I opened up the latest csm codex).

Yah, I've seen those rumours around (including the very cool cad model for the skorcha) but Orks have gotten so much already I'm not getting my hopes for loads more still to come. Plastic kanz would be very, very welcome though, the metal ones cost a bomb. Buggies and traks may be well old but at least they're affordable, lol.

I'll be sad to see "faith points" go. I don't care if they rework or change the acts, but I find the system fluffy and it can add to the narrative of a game with faithful models becoming martyred, etc. I hope they give them some sort of rules that represent their zealous faith, etc.

Also by "combined" do we mean THREE ordos? We will have Ordo Xenos inquisitors in it as well, etc.?

Whoops, already posted.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So now they are doing a combined Inquisition book?

I think it's more correct to say that it's unknown and possibly undecided. I'd guess the studio might have a folder labeled 'inquisition ideas' but the project probably isn't much further, and they might not be sure if it'll be 1, 2, or 3 books, really.

Really hope those Assassin rumours aren't true, they're really characterful rules at the moment.

Also, my brother won't be amused if Faith Points go, they've saved his army from losing a few times.

I'm not too worried yet though, these are only rumours anyway.

CT GAMER wrote:I'll be sad to see "faith points" go. I don't care if they rework or change the acts, but I find the system fluffy and it can add to the narrative of a game with faithful models becoming martyred, etc. I hope they give them some sort of rules that represent their zealous faith, etc.

Oh you'll get your Faith rules, but they won't be tied to Faith Points.

They'll be tied to Special Characters.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:I'll be sad to see "faith points" go. I don't care if they rework or change the acts, but I find the system fluffy and it can add to the narrative of a game with faithful models becoming martyred, etc. I hope they give them some sort of rules that represent their zealous faith, etc.

Oh you'll get your Faith rules, but they won't be tied to Faith Points.

They'll be tied to Special Characters.

Hurr hurr. Just like synapse huh? Faith points are a neat mechanic, but no one knew how they worked. The army was just to rare. They'll probably get reduced to keywords in a few units (i can forsee "faith tests" requiring leadership or stat tests) and some neat psychic (yet not psychic) powers. A statline based set of abilities, like succeeding on a T test giving you an INV save or something similar in choice would be neat and easily understood.

Or, Acts of Faith will be the new Orders system, with a squad sergeant requiring a passed Ld test with a modifier (as in, roll a d6 and add/subtract x when trying to roll under/over leadership) to gain an effect.

bhsman wrote:Or, Acts of Faith will be the new Orders system, with a squad sergeant requiring a passed Ld test with a modifier (as in, roll a d6 and add/subtract x when trying to roll under/over leadership) to gain an effect.

A logical suggestion and quite plausible. I hope the Witch Hunters book has a "get on your knees and beg for your life" order. Chaos rules.

bhsman wrote:Or, Acts of Faith will be the new Orders system, with a squad sergeant requiring a passed Ld test with a modifier (as in, roll a d6 and add/subtract x when trying to roll under/over leadership) to gain an effect.

Now that sounds about right...

BrassScorpion wrote:

bhsman wrote:Or, Acts of Faith will be the new Orders system, with a squad sergeant requiring a passed Ld test with a modifier (as in, roll a d6 and add/subtract x when trying to roll under/over leadership) to gain an effect.

A logical suggestion and quite plausible. I hope the Witch Hunters book has a "get on your knees and beg for your life" order. Chaos rules.

And that sounds very funny!

So much so that I do hope that's in there!

Actually I agree, it is more likely to just be a bunch of abilities keyed around basic Leadership tests than any point system similar to the Orders system.

ShumaGorath wrote:Faith points are a neat mechanic, but no one knew how they worked.

Hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic.

I'd wager that Sisters players had a good idea how their army worked, and regular opponents of said Sisters players would also have a fair idea. In fact, I'd put good money on anyone with a decent amount of reading comprehension skills could figure out the Faith Point rules simply by reading the Faith Point rules. But, y'know, keep trying Shummy.

Hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic.

Except when an army makes up 4% of the games playerbase at best. No one is going to know how the opponents faith point system works.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic.

Except when an army makes up 4% of the games playerbase at best. No one is going to know how the opponents faith point system works.

So if you didn't know their rules, and you were playing against them, you'd have to...

...take it on faith?

(Heh.)

I'll take my pass on these.

So in discussion today a few new things came up. Treat as rumors, as this source does not have direct information.

Missions Book
* New units for SM, Orks, Chaos/CSM, and IG re-confirmed. No other love.

new toys excite me, new missions do not. GW has a bad track record on these things.

Inquisition
* All inquisition units to get new models...eventually
* Codex: Inquisition to combine all orders of =I=
* GK being focused on for release, Sisters 2nd wave
* No allies, but indoctrinated units will include choices from other Imperial armies
* No faith points
* Lots of Psychic Nullification
* Lots of Ignore Invul
* Another flyer/transport kit Valkyrie-sized being planned for release
* GK models may see light of day early tied into another product release. (commentary: I hear rumors of a Space hulk expansion being planned, but they are vague and disorganized, so much salt needed here)
* Release window is not 2010 for C:I
* Imperial Assassin now a single unit, culdex, Caladeus, etc all gone. Unit will have numerous lethal options. Very Expensive.

Really good news from my POV. I think a single book was always the way to go, I'll start a wish listing thread over in discussions.

Hopefully this means the rumored plan of Codex Grey Knights and Codex SoB is dead, dead, dead. In my mind the GKs should be 1 elite unit, GK as troops in mere powered armor never quite sat right with me.

Loss of faith points might hurt SoB players but it was always a clumsy mechanism. Hopefully the SoBs will get something similar with a cleaner mechanic.

I wonder if the flier is new (Aquilla shuttle?) or just planning a Vendetta kit.

I like the idea of 1 assassin listing, the current rules are very much a carryover from 2nd edition and are needless limiting. Hopefully we will also lose the 1 per army rule as well.

Only bad news is it won't be out for another year...

Dark Eldar
* GW would like to try opposing armies back to back... (commentary: DE/E? Who are DEs biggest opposition?)

Inquisition/Chaos Cults?

I can dream can't I...

* While most models are "final" the sprue designs are not started for some...aka we still have a manufacturing ramp up
* New units heavy in FA FOC

OK, OK maybe DE really are coming.

Maybe.

I wonder if I can use their rules for Chaos Cults or Genestealer cults.

Necrons
* Likely last Codex before 6th Ed. (commentary:i.e. dont hold your breath)
* Complete overhaul
* Some chance of early plastics in 2011 for existing units that need them...but design changes may preclude. (commentary: i.e. dont count on any new models until the Codex release.)
* Much more "Immortal" theme, less "Terminator" (commentary: I took this to mean more organic based and asked, and was told "no, not organic, they will still be undying machines")

Shame they're not going to fix them sooner. A revised codex might do wonders for the Necs.


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PS just reread Einhorn 2, starting book 3 tonight.

Can someone explain why everyone is excited about BamBam Bigalo Marines...IIRC they are double the cost of a marine each.

Seem lame. Or are people really going to make an all metal LD army.

Balance wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:So now they are doing a combined Inquisition book?

I think it's more correct to say that it's unknown and possibly undecided. I'd guess the studio might have a folder labeled 'inquisition ideas' but the project probably isn't much further, and they might not be sure if it'll be 1, 2, or 3 books, really.

I agree.

I'll be sad to see "faith points" go. I don't care if they rework or change the acts, but I find the system fluffy and it can add to the narrative of a game with faithful models becoming martyred, etc. I hope they give them some sort of rules that represent their zealous faith, etc.

I´m glad the FP will be gone.
new playes have a hard time understanding them, opponents dont know a thing about them unless tehy play vs SoB on a regulr basis and the whole system is so ripe with abuse its not even funny with invul squads and flying nuns of doom (FnoD) with their constant 2+ inv saves are least to say, annoying.

I wouldn't mind Faith being reworked in some fashion but I would be sad to see it go and frankly GW if it ain't broke don't fix it. Faith works fine as is, it really does turn the basic sister from a terrible unit into a great one but the limit on points and need for tests balance it out.

I don't see how it was open to abuse, unless you cheated but in my experience sisters are so expensive and so fringe they don't attract the cheating types.

My FLGS has a sellout on Furioso dreads and Eldar Support weapon platforms and few other products (eg. large part of Sisters, DE Mandrakes, Big Gunz). Could that possibly suggest anything?

ergotoxin wrote:My FLGS has a sellout on Furioso dreads and Eldar Support weapon platforms and few other products (eg. large part of Sisters, DE Mandrakes, Big Gunz). Could that possibly suggest anything?

That you should be picking up Furioso's for conversions?

I predict that the SoB will be reduced to 2 unit entries: Battle Sisters and Seraphim. Both will have the Faithful special rule - on a successful Ld test they get FNP. Canoness will be a unit leader upgrade. The End.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I predict that the SoB will be reduced to 2 unit entries: Battle Sisters and Seraphim. Both will have the Faithful special rule - on a successful Ld test they get FNP. Canoness will be a unit leader upgrade. The End.

because eliminating what many people play as a stand alone force is a good idea...

The plans were for two seperate codexes based on the chambers militant, ie grey knights and sisters, this may or may not have changed slightly, but a pure sisters force, and a pure GK force will be fieldable.

I would love a mixed inquisitor codex, its the variety in armies that make it fun. i wouldn't mind paying extra for a thicker codex if it had multiple usuable forces in it and was open to some cool army themes

Purge the Heretic wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I predict that the SoB will be reduced to 2 unit entries: Battle Sisters and Seraphim. Both will have the Faithful special rule - on a successful Ld test they get FNP. Canoness will be a unit leader upgrade. The End.

because eliminating what many people play as a stand alone force is a good idea...

Well GW certainly seems to think so - just ask my Death Guard Havocs.

If sisters aren't getting their own codex then we should expect a consolidation of the range rather than an expansion. Taking a look at the webstore I see 7 different variants of bolter sisters, 5 variants of sister superior, 2 variants of icon bearer, 3 variants of heavy weapon, and 6 variants of special weapons (3 types of weapons with 2 sculpts each). To me that looks like 1 Battle Sisters box set and maybe 1 heavy weapon sisters box set (if we're lucky). If we keep the seraphim and repentia box sets then that's 3-4 box sets. Since models = rules that equates to 3-4 unit choices unless they decide to cut seraphim and/or repentia completely (a possibility considering a combined inquisition codex is going to almost certainly focus on Grey Knights since they are spase marienz). They'll probably keep the Immolator since its plastic, but the Exorcist might go away.

So in a best case scenario I see the sisters units looking like:

HQ: Canoness
Elites: Repentia
Troops: Battle Sisters
Fast Attack: Seraphim
Heavy Support: Retributors, Immolators, Exorcists

Worst case scenario I see them being reduced to:

Troops: Battle Sisters (can upgrade Sister Superior to Canoness and can take Immolator as a transport)

But don't worry. Even in the worst case scenario I'm sure they'll get a datasheet that lets them use most of the stuff they lose... in Apocalypse! Hurr!!

I'm often called a doomsayer and a bs-monger but I am in awe, in bloody gobsmacked awe, at your prowess.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I predict that the SoB will be reduced to 2 unit entries: Battle Sisters and Seraphim. Both will have the Faithful special rule - on a successful Ld test they get FNP. Canoness will be a unit leader upgrade. The End.

How the flying feth did you come to this conclusion? That doesn't make a lick of sense. There's very few things I can say without a doubt will not happen, and this is one of them.

Brother SRM wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I predict that the SoB will be reduced to 2 unit entries: Battle Sisters and Seraphim. Both will have the Faithful special rule - on a successful Ld test they get FNP. Canoness will be a unit leader upgrade. The End.

How the flying feth did you come to this conclusion? That doesn't make a lick of sense. There's very few things I can say without a doubt will not happen, and this is one of them.

You do know who you're talking to right?

We're not at the point yet where reading someone's name gives off an info-auto-trans aura that lets us know how e-(in)famous someone is.

So, no.

Oh please send Repentia to Apocalypse only land. Teen friendly S&M nuns were 40k's worst idea ever!

I wonder what the radical list's survival chances are, nil, or am I being too optimistic?

I'm sure that Grey Knights and Sisters will be MUCH more "Elite like" in the new Inquisition book. Like Kyoto said Grey Knights are insainly powerful and shouldn't just be running around.

I assume that the new Inquisition might be more based on having GEQ type troops (like an inquisitors army) with backup from Sisters and Grey Knights. I am also pulling for inquisitors to be extremely powerful (just read Ravanor and damn he is a beast lol).

I can't wait to see the new assassins especially, with some of the Deathleaper stuff that Nids are getting, I'm sure they will be disgusting.