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Gwar! wrote:I have fun by playing a game by the rules.

Would you consider it fun if I decided I wanted all my Grey Hunters to have 10 Attacks?

No, because that is not following the rules.

Do you have fun by having to argue rules game every single time? Do you have fun by being forced to go through a pre-game prep longer than the game itself because of unclear rules>

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Your argument is childish and you should know that.
Of course Grey Hunters don't have 10 attacks, this is a stupid comparison to the question at hand as 10 attacks it not what the model was created to do. They don't carry a flag that says "I have ten attacks." To say that a model can't do what it was created to do (in this case, shoot the gun it comes with) then I'd say you are preventing the game from being fun for the sake of following
an arbitrary lack of clarity in rules. I could consider agreeing that the rules states it can't shoot, though I like SmackCakes argument, but my point is that considering it generosity to "allow" the shot is a self-righteous argument. You're basically calling the creators of the Baal Predator morons for creating the unit without considering that people would beat it with the RaR stick. I think that the argument is clearly just to be a jerk, as I'd think that arguing that a model can't shoot the gun it comes with would cause more problems and delays in games playing out than it would solve.
As this thread, I think, proves nicely.

Gwar! wrote:Would you consider it fun if I decided I wanted all my Grey Hunters to have 10 Attacks?

No, because that is not following the rules.

I wouldn't consider it fun, but because it would be hideously unbalanced, not because it's not following the rules. If we agree to play that way, it is following the rules.

Do you have fun by having to argue rules game every single time? Do you have fun by being forced to go through a pre-game prep longer than the game itself because of unclear rules>

That's more an issue with the state of the rules than people's choice to follow them or not.

lucasbuffalo wrote:You're basically calling the creators of the Baal Predator morons for creating the unit without considering that people would beat it with the RaW stick.

No, I am not. The creators clearly intended for it to be unable to fire. Otherwise they would not have made the gun as it is. Considering the lack of any form of errata to the rules, there can be no other assumption.

That being said, even if they didn't intend and are indeed, as you so claim, morons, that doesn't change the fact that the rules are clear and that arbitrarily changing them leads down a slippery slope.

insaniak wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Would you consider it fun if I decided I wanted all my Grey Hunters to have 10 Attacks?

No, because that is not following the rules.

I wouldn't consider it fun, but because it would be hideously unbalanced, not because it's not following the rules. If we agree to play that way, it is following the rules.

Do you have fun by having to argue rules game every single time? Do you have fun by being forced to go through a pre-game prep longer than the game itself because of unclear rules>

That's more an issue with the state of the rules than people's choice to follow them or not.

I am talking about the rules in the Rulebook, not some crazy house rules. By the rules in the rulebook (disregarding TMIR which simply breaks the game), grey Hunters do not have 10 attacks, Baals cannot fire their turret and Grots are only T2. To say otherwise is not following the rules.

Gwar! wrote:No, I am not. The creators clearly intended for it to be unable to fire. Otherwise they would not have made the gun as it is. Considering the lack of any form of errata to the rules, there can be no other assumption.

I hope to all that is holy that you are trolling now. Otherwise....
My God....

Gwar! wrote:Except that he is being Generous.

You may not like it, hell, even I don't like it, but that is what the RaW says, no two ways about it.

Don't you yell at me you SoB I'm in group B.

Albeit you did hand out a straw man argument, if you said something like,

"Would you consider it fun if I decided I wanted to use flamers out of the fire points of a rhino?"

would you still follow that sentence with:

"No, because that is not following the rules."


Technically I'd love if whenever I killed an mc, hookers rained from the ceiling. Is it in the rules? No. Is it a worthwhile addition and worth the <5 seconds it'd take to arrange with my opponent? Sure.

LordWaffles wrote:
Technically I'd love if whenever I killed an mc, hookers rained from the ceiling. Is it in the rules? No. Is it a worthwhile addition and worth the <5 seconds it'd take to arrange with my opponent? Sure.

Now this is an idea I support.

Gwar! wrote:No, I am not. The creators clearly intended for it to be unable to fire. Otherwise they would not have made the gun as it is. Considering the lack of any form of errata to the rules, there can be no other assumption.

This post is clearly trolling. Considering the lack of anything clearly identifying this post as humour, there can be no other assumption.



Given how far this thread has wandered from the original topic, I think it's time to move on.