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Kroothawk wrote:Still, I am quite certain that the design process started with a current Land Raider hull without the tracks, then adding Valkyrie wings and stuff. Seems to have the exact same volume and form (including lower part of front door, even having similar nodges at the upper edge of the hull). Makes sense for transport capacity and the Imperium being short on templates.

Well with that in mind, you might be able to get two of them to form the super-ultra-mega stormraven, just like power rangers!

On another note:

I dunno why they would have the back of the ship open for the dreadnought to be shot at by the enemy, you don't haul those simply as meat shields for the ship's crew!

well, we get a bad model every once in a while, razorgore now this so out of the good we get some bad. business as usual if there are those who will buy it despite not being happy with it

Kurgash wrote:well, we get a bad model every once in a while, razorgore now this so out of the good we get some bad. business as usual if there are those who will buy it despite not being happy with it

Must be becuase of the DE release. I hate conspiracies!

cygnnus wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Flachzange wrote:flying school bus ftl.

I wonder if they did base it on a School Bus?

If they did, it's the "short bus" for "special" Space Marines!

Wow... That thing is just simply horrible. With all the amazing kit-bash models that have come out, that thing is just plain disappointing. Regardless of any arguments of whether or not it could fly, the aesthetics of it are just terrible. Definitely not on the "to buy" list for my Blood Angels.

Very, very disappointing effort there GW...

Valete,

JohnS

Trust me there have been worse disappointments.

It look like a half of the Forge World Thunderhawk. Plus i feel that GW rip off some of they players design.

Mines better

LunaHound wrote:If Rhinos are metal bawkses and LR and giant bawkses ,
then certainly to keep up with GW 's Space Marine design scheme : "Large winged metal bawkses" is needed.

MajorTom11 wrote:This is what I woulda done/will do myself -

Wow someone ingrained with artistic talents even your random photoshop looks better than the original.

Those foreward lift thrusters had better exist. They could save the model.

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:If Rhinos are metal bawkses and LR and giant bawkses ,
then certainly to keep up with GW 's Space Marine design scheme : "Large winged metal bawkses" is needed.

MajorTom11 wrote:This is what I woulda done/will do myself -

Wow someone ingrained with artistic talents even your random photoshop looks better than the original.

Those foreward lift thrusters had better exist. They could save the model.

I agree. Or add a giant Freaking Laser on the top with a Box for my paint brushes, and it must also hold my knife, and two thousand ultramarine, and blood angel space marine's skulls . Then the word AWESOME is written all over it and then a killer paint job, and racing flames on the front.

in my mind, the stormraven is painted up in chaos colors, and a noise marine metal band called the sky bricks play from atop it while going forth into battle

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:If Rhinos are metal bawkses and LR and giant bawkses ,
then certainly to keep up with GW 's Space Marine design scheme : "Large winged metal bawkses" is needed.

MajorTom11 wrote:This is what I woulda done/will do myself -

Wow someone ingrained with artistic talents even your random photoshop looks better than the original.

Those foreward lift thrusters had better exist. They could save the model.

I dont know what that means , but majortom's design reminded me of an orca breaching the water to breath ,
its elegant and beautiful , which unfortunately for GW , its soooo close to been a nice kit , but just not quite there

I say now, that is a beautiful shoop

wish that would be the real deal!

Kanluwen wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:

Dahlberg66 wrote:Wow it seems to me just about everyone is being cry babies...you cry when there is no model you cry when they do release a model..

"well it looks unrealistic the wings would be ripped off.. Flying brick etc etc" NEWS FLASH it is a game of plastic army figures!!! It won't be realistic!! There are no giants bugs trying to eat you and all that BS. Quit nerd raging and get over it.

Ya ya, buy it, don't judge it. If you have any response but utter love it's toy soldiers so it's not important enough to have an opinion on... it is important enough to buy though.

Cry-babies... You would cry too if you weren't firmly already clamped onto momma GW's teat lol. Go be an opinion fascist somewhere else dude, it's a discussion board. You just want to see the new models, stick to GW's news page. It will stress you less than all these awful people with different opinions lol

Funny that you're calling him "an opinion fascist" while trying to shut his opinion down.


You don't like the model? Fine, that's great you've expressed your opinion.
If someone does like the model, that doesn't mean you get to start in with this crap that's constantly thrown about here on Dakka accusing people of being apologists for GW.

I didn't say he couldn't like it. I would NEVER tell anyone they can or can't like something. If some people like it that's great, I am sincerely happy for them and there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone being pleased! I 100% support their right to like whatever they want, and my opinion of it should have no bearing on that. Likewise though it would be nice if people who did like it didn't start slinging crap at anyone who doesn't either. (Yes, I know there were one or two who stated their dislike as absolutes everyone should follow, but the vast majority simply said I don't like it, not NO ONE must like this)

So obviously the thing I took issue with is the crybabies comment. That is rude. That is not an argument, that's just being a dick.

You know what though? Saying oh you wanted a model so you should be happy no matter what that they gave you one is ridiculous and patently slowed. Just because someone wants something doesn't mean they should be satisfied with ANYTHING. If I say I'm hungry, and someone serves me (what tastes to me) horrid tasting barely edible gamey raw rat meat, it doesn't mean I have to say it's delicious. Or eat it. And anybody who says otherwise whilst defending a GW policy or product IS an apologist to me. Why? Because they are advocating the complete suspension of standards based solely on the fact a product simply exists.

Argue with me if you want, I don't particularly mind, but please don't misinterpret my anger at the other gentleman's tone as having anything to do with what he thinks about the model. In fact, if you go back, and you will find I said I am lukewarm to it, but saw a lot of potential, both to convert, and financially as it is a good base to convert from without having to shell out for a LR and Valk kit. I will definitely be getting one or two.

Stop being dicks to each other.

New Blood Angel players are reading the Dark Eldar Codex right now...and looking at the new models...and are pissed.

Kan and I made friends and fist-bumped, all good.

MDizzle wrote:Mines better

Yes.

Yes it is.

What annoys me most is that this model doesn't even come CLOSE to fitting the aesthetic of the Grey Knights as it is neither archaic, nor intricate, it has no grace, it's simply blocky. Being that it is 99.99% assured it will be in the DH rerelease, I wouldn't give it the time of day. I mean you have your Termies, your PA then...HOLY CRAP WHAT IS THAT THING!?

I would love to have one for my terminators so I don't have to risk deepstriking them. However this is no silk purse, this is the original sow's ear

Now now children. If we are done insulting eachother about a wargaming hobby over the interwebs I'd like to point out the furioso Dread in the top left corner. Also a new model? The plastic furioso I've always wanted for my Flesh Tearers, or just a kit bash? only time will tell....

Ehsteve wrote:What annoys me most is that this model doesn't even come CLOSE to fitting the aesthetic of the Grey Knights as it is neither archaic, nor intricate, it has no grace, it's simply blocky. Being that it is 99.99% assured it will be in the DH rerelease, I wouldn't give it the time of day. I mean you have your Termies, your PA then...HOLY CRAP WHAT IS THAT THING!?

So you've seen the sprues in person? Held the bare plastic in your hands and built it up?

You know for a fact that there's no bits in there for Grey Knight Stormravens to make them look "archaic"(which I've always found to be flowertalk for "old", which the Stormraven isn't. It's a brand new, fluffwise, design that's really only in use by the Grey Knights and Blood Angels)?

Deadshane1 wrote:New Blood Angel players are reading the Dark Eldar Codex right now...and looking at the new models...and are pissed.

Are we talking the hardcore Blood Angel players who've always been playing Blood Angels for their fluff...

Or the bandwagoners who latched on for wins?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

MDizzle wrote:Mines better

Yes.

Yes it is.

How much did that cost?

Apparently 1 leaked picture = 8 pages of jumping to conclusions and sophomoric bickering with a smattering occasionally of civil conversation that is also on topic.

At a bare minimum it's got to be $62 like the Valkyrie. Probably more, especially if the release date is after June 1 when prices often get "adjusted".

Probably $75+. I'm seeing bits from a Star Wars Snowspeeder and a Valkyrie, along with some scenery.

I sure hope it is sooner than June!

I do agree with Kan though, if this thing is coming out with the GK codex, I find it hard to believe that it would come with BA iconography and not bits/touches of GK style stuff too.

My biggest issue with it right now is how freaking cartoony it looks in the Blood Angels livery.

I'm sure we'll all be used to the chibi-hawk soon enough. If the Leman Russ had just been released, there'd be a thread exactly like this about it.

Kanluwen wrote:

Ehsteve wrote:What annoys me most is that this model doesn't even come CLOSE to fitting the aesthetic of the Grey Knights as it is neither archaic, nor intricate, it has no grace, it's simply blocky. Being that it is 99.99% assured it will be in the DH rerelease, I wouldn't give it the time of day. I mean you have your Termies, your PA then...HOLY CRAP WHAT IS THAT THING!?

So you've seen the sprues in person? Held the bare plastic in your hands and built it up?

You know for a fact that there's no bits in there for Grey Knight Stormravens to make them look "archaic"(which I've always found to be flowertalk for "old", which the Stormraven isn't. It's a brand new, fluffwise, design that's really only in use by the Grey Knights and Blood Angels)?

Who knows, they might stick on some ribbons to make it look classy and all

If I want to spend money on my GK army, i'll stick to the on-foot forces. While the rules I take for the sheer awesome, i'm not sticking them in that flying clown car.

FW inquisitor rhino: awesome, only a few details make it look intricate, detailed, not bland.

Unless they release some epic FW add-on kit which adds something non-comical to it simply doesn't interest me.

And the aesthetic of GK is supposed to be 'old', the practicality of the storm raven is not my issue, my issue is simply it does not seem to fit in. Yes it is new, but that does not mean that it's hull won't have to be sanctified, or it's weapons blessed, because it will have to be modified to fit the GK's needs.

$62? $75? Where are you people thinking up these absurd values? I would be shocked if this kit was more than $50.

ph34r wrote:$62? $75? Where are you people thinking up these absurd values? I would be shocked if this kit was more than $50.

The $75 was in regards to someone's converted Stormraven which is posted in this thread.

The actual kit I'd put at probably $35-$40. It looks like, partswise, it'll be the size of a Rhino or Razorback.

ph34r wrote:$62? $75? Where are you people thinking up these absurd values? I would be shocked if this kit was more than $50.

$62 for Land Raider, Valkyrie

$50 buys you a Ravager , which i doubt GW will price it that low in comparison

Oops edited to reflect USD version

This thing looks really, really top heavy.
It almost gives the image of a really big insect with tiny wings struggling to keep itself in midair.
And that makes it awesome.