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I dunno the rules for Bjorn, but I do know the rules for a thunderhammer, and Im sorry, but pitting ANY type of vehicle against a thunderhammer (ignoring the badassidy that is Lysander) is a bad idea. They are pretty much the best anti vehicle CC weapons there are

All penetrating and glacing hits also count as a crew stunned

Yea thats what Im saying. I dont know if Bjorn can ignore those results or not, but against any other vehicle type, they usually just murder

Has anyone pointed out Old One Eye?

No, but that's intriguing. He'll take ~2 wounds a turn, heal one off... probably die by round 3? Can't get through Lysander's invul save though. Don't think he could pull it off.

Now that it's been brought up, Crisis Commander with Plas/Missile/TA would win with JSJ and 12" move. But that's kind of unfair.

Old One Eye hits Lysander on 4+ (re-rolling 1s), wounds on 2+, fails saves on 2-. On the charge it'd get A4+1+D3 and hit first. For every successful hit on the initial attacks, Old One Eye gets another attack. Old One Eye can potentially have 16 attacks on the charge.

On the charge, we'd see:

[Original # Attacks + Bonus # Attacks] * [To hit + Re-rolls] * [To Wound] * [To Fail Save]

Original # Attacks = Attacks (4) + Charge bonus (1) + Crushing Claw bonus (1)(0.33)+(2)(0.33)+(3)(0.33)

=6.95

Bonus # Attacks = [Original # Attacks] * (0.5) + [Original # Attacks] * (0.5)(0.17)

=4.07

Total: 11.02 attacks on average

6.44 hits
5.34 wounds
1.77 unsaved wounds

By contrast Lysander has 3 attacks, 3+ to hit, 2+ to wound:

1.66 unsaved wounds, Regenerate 0.55 so 1.11 at the end of the first turn.

Old One Eye wins over two or three turns, and possibly one.

I dont mean to be "that guy" but ive heard talk of Lysander having 12 wounds. Can anybody fill me in on this because im quite confused

Lysander has 4 wounds and a 3+ invul save. So to really kill him, you have to, on average, deal 12 wounds that ignore armor.

He does not have 12 actual wounds.

Likewise you'd need to cause, on average, 24 wounds that don't ignore armour, or about 7-8 wounds that ignore armour in combination with a Null Zone.

Edit: Oops, that's 7-8 wounds that ignore armour, not that 'don't ignore armour'. I stand corrected.

Ah, i see. Thank you for informing me.

Just fielded Lysander against Eldar...

Charged the Scorpion Pheonix Lord Karandras...

Both I1, he used the claw/power fist weapon... took five hits, failed all my invulnerable saves...

go figure!

Inquisitor Lord, Eviscerator

3 Acolytes with Mancatchers

2 Chirugeons


I figured this still counts as one on one because you are forced to take a retinue. This squad wins every single time.