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 pretre wrote:
Wait, I'm not on the White Knight shortlist anymore? dammit.

As a mindless White Knight defending GW no matter what they do? No. You don't qualify. Neither does Kan, despite his best efforts.

 pretre wrote:

 Nucflash wrote:
Yes I do understand that GW is still big in the states.

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So for me personaly I do not feel that GW is the top dog.. People still play at home and in their garage etc.. But in the general scene and I play 3 places all over town, we do not see that many setting up 40k, and fantasy games. A few years back everyone was playing GW games,, these days not so much..

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/24225.html
Yep, US is mostly GW.
Top 5 Non-Collectible Miniature Lines – Summer 2012
#1 Warhammer 40k
#2 Warmachine
#3 Warhammer Fantasy
#4 Hordes
#5 Malifaux

Of course, the issue with your experience would be that the greater Los Angeles metro is bigger than Sweden, so dominance for GW is a bit more important in more populated areas. Not digging on Sweden, but hey...

I honestly find it hard to believe Malifaux is #5. It seems to be dead everywhere in Georgia. Wonder where its strong

 Sergeant Horse wrote:
I honestly find it hard to believe Malifaux is #5. It seems to be dead everywhere in Georgia. Wonder where its strong

icv2 bases their stuff off of sales I believe, and Malifaux has a decently strong following in the UK, Chicago, California, Washington, Ohio and Virginia if I remember correctly. And I find it kind of funny that you say they're not that big in Georgia, seeing as they're based just outside of Atlanta. Not saying you're lying, I just find it humorous if that's the case .

 Nucflash wrote:
I'm all over the place . But your grudge against me is a personal one to be honest. You dont play GW games right? You and I do not have a problem as far as I'm concerned.

It's not personal, you're just being rude to anyone that likes 40k and GW.

PP is in no way shape or form cheaper then GW, that is a FACT hehe. I dont think anny Table-top game is cheap to be honest. But what you get for your money and how the rules are writen are diffrent. I personaly think(my opinion) that GW has the worst rules.. Why? because they are poorly uppdated and lets face it GW has had more then 2 decades to perfect the rules for W40k, and it is still balanced like crap. If they wanted to make decent rules they would have done it by now. For selling more armies the rules work as intended though heheh

The idea that PP is cheaper than GW revolves around the fact that you can buy a tournament competitive force for a fraction of the price of a tournament competitive 40k army. And the reason why GW's rules are "balanced like crap" is design differences. Who the head of the design studio has a lot to do with the direction of the game. 5th ed was designed by Alessio Cavatore who wanted a tournament game when he had 5th ed in mind. I think he did it, though I only participated in like 3 tournaments during my 5th ed days (I came in the last 18 months of 5th ed). 6th ed on the other hand has a "narrative" idea behind it, a beer and pretzels game, so it seems to be looser. But that's neither here nor there.

 pretre wrote:

 Nucflash wrote:
The main things that make Warmachine/hords fun to play however is the Balanced gameplay.. And that the rules are more "as writen" and you cant exploit loopholes in them... And for me personaly that is more important then what they look like..

Granted, I do not play WMH, but isn't that the game with Turn 1 caster kill, "I win" kind of gameplay?

Surely you can get enough Warmachine jingoism over at the Ordo Fanaticus boards.

Swan-of-War wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Nucflash wrote:
The main things that make Warmachine/hords fun to play however is the Balanced gameplay.. And that the rules are more "as writen" and you cant exploit loopholes in them... And for me personaly that is more important then what they look like..

Granted, I do not play WMH, but isn't that the game with Turn 1 caster kill, "I win" kind of gameplay?

Surely you can get enough Warmachine jingoism over at the Ordo Fanaticus boards.

Lol there isn't too much crossover except when someone comes into a bitch thread to say OMG play Warmahordes!

I have to agree that GW really does generate a lot more negativity than Privateer. I think it is because a lot of players become very passionate about 40k when they get into it and then when they become disenfranchised that passion is displayed in negativity towards GW.

Also, few can deny that GW is dismissive of its veteran players and treats them in an unwelcome way. I dont get the sense of this at all and it appears to be the opposite case with Privateer.

Certainly Privateer moderates its forums but I dont know of any forums were former warmahordes players hate on Privateer like you have former GW players hating GW.

The divide between warmahorde and 40k players does not make much sense to me. Aside from the fact both games use miniatures, warmahordes is nothing like 40k or whfb.

JWhex wrote:
I have to agree that GW really does generate a lot more negativity than Privateer. I think it is because a lot of players become very passionate about 40k when they get into it and then when they become disenfranchised that passion is displayed in negativity towards GW.

It mostly comes down to GW having simply far more customers. Privateer Press pissing off 10% of their customers is going to result in a lot less complaints than GW pissing off 10% of its customers.

 -Loki- wrote:

JWhex wrote:
I have to agree that GW really does generate a lot more negativity than Privateer. I think it is because a lot of players become very passionate about 40k when they get into it and then when they become disenfranchised that passion is displayed in negativity towards GW.

It mostly comes down to GW having simply far more customers. Privateer Press pissing off 10% of their customers is going to result in a lot less complaints than GW pissing off 10% of its customers.

It also might stem from the fact that GW doesn't care about customer retention at all while every other miniature wargaming company apparently do.

Anyone else suspect the OP is one of those people who recast and sell em? Or closely affiliated with such a store? I suspect this is more to save his own behind. Even if you "boycott" the online store, guess what? GW STILL RAKES IN THE DOUGH from stores you buy from. Besides FW is one of the only one I truly care about and they aren't going anywhere. Crappy companies exist, like walmart or any big grocery company does this mean youll stop buying food? Start buying Tacobell? Oh wait Taco Bell is another 'evil' company. LOL More joking than anything at this point haha

Boycotts just don't work; they never do.

The only solution if you are unhappy is to stop buying their products. There are a lot of great options out there. Even if you decide to continue playing 40k, you still don't need their models.

GW will continue down this rabbit hole until they figure out their current corporate model doesn't work. That's only going to happen when profits fall and/or they lose significant market share.