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So you are saying taking 500 points of troops at 2k is too much for most armies?...I'm mean kicking Nids in the balls really? I take 2 Tervigons and 2 Gaunt squads...Done. CSM I can run Plauge Marines, or Regular CSM....Vanilla Marines taking bikes as troops so horrible...Foot dar can take Wraith guard...2 Squads done with my troops.

Daemons not being TOuched? Right now they spam Fasts and HQ and Heavies with Minimum troops (all of which are cheap ) so they need to bring at least 50 troop models at 2k points.

In theory (and I am not against examining it) you could remove the troop minimum, or lower it if it proved to be a problem.

As to Elite Capping really what can you not take at 2k points with 500-700 points (if we went with a 10% flex).

Also remember that everyone is losing in different areas...I'm not sure it is what you say...just different than now.

Essentially I'm not looking to be able to build every army you can now...just that every codex has viable (often multiple viable builds)


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 Dude_I_Suck wrote:
So who has bad troops? What is considered a bad troop choice? That is all a matter of perspective.

Exactly...if the killing power of all armies is a bit curbed by restrictions troops also get stronger by comparison.

Boys before Toys... People minimizing troops and maximizing other crap is part of the issue. If people are taking less than 25% troops in favor for spamming more 'other stuff' to holy hell then they need to deal with that.

I don't know what a bad troop is... But people seem to be used to having minimal troops which hide all game and swoop in opposed to making substantial troops which survive and move tactically. It is 'easier' for them to sit back and hide a MSU troop and bring them out when everyone else has been nuked from orbit. They just don't want to have the hardness of using a troop as intended and possibly having to shoot things with 25 small arms opposed to a single death cannon.

Yup, if you had to take troops and they were a substantial enough part of the army to need to do something People would make it work.

I think people see I need to spend 25% and freak out. I tis really not that much for many armies.

(especially at lower points but at 2k)

It is like 40 Marines without upgrades...start upgrading and that number drops. (30 marines in rhinos or Pods basically make it.)

Most armies have FO swaps where more expensive units can be troops if desired.

remember allies also exist.

Don't like your troops (if you are not nids) ally and get better ones...

My opinion is that it should be limited to two codexes and and allow things like sentinels of terra to be used as main lists. I would allow the escalation book but that damn eldar titan is just too off the deep end so i'm hesitant.

My $.02

I like the idea of banning or nerfing a few things. Really like the idea of just saying no Grimoire, no Special Characters (Baron) as allies, and only 1 dataslate (not formation) or ally per list. I feel like there's a reasonable limit out there somewhere on DTs (looking at you Eldar and to a lesser degree Necrons). Maybe no more than 3 of the same? But then SM and especially DE and Orks get hit hard by that. I dunno.

Definitely like the idea of a separate "no holds barred" event, but certainly the prize support should place this as a secondary event if there is to be any real progress in getting the tourney scene under control.