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Jes Goodwin wrote:Warhammer: Visions is not for everybody, granted. If you like gaming more than collecting or painting, then it's probably not for you
Who gets out of bed in the morning and thinks, "I know, let's take one of our products and really narrow down the target audience."
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well, turns out Dakka does have someone with enough polished armour to defend Visions.
One born every minute I 'spose.
This seems to imply that any-one not holding your opinion is wrong. I'm sorry to have to disagree with that. I also didn't reach into my pocket to buy visions but I can see that others would spend the money and good luck to them. Not wrong, just different.
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Well,I'm a painter, and those are not gorgeously painted. They're bog standard insipid army work. With no write up on the techniques or processes used, the pictures are useless to those who don't already know how to achieve that standard. Those that can achieve it are looking for better work (golden demon finalist level).
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Jes Goodwin wrote:Warhammer: Visions is not for everybody, granted. If you like gaming more than collecting or painting, then it's probably not for you
Who gets out of bed in the morning and thinks, "I know, let's take one of our products and really narrow down the target audience."
If it was solely for modellers and painters then it would have more actual modelling articles. I only model GW stuff, I don't play, well none of their current games anyway. But Warhammer Visions holds no interest. It's just a picture book.
If it were for collectors, then there would be more art and design articles with descriptive text. If they opened their bits archive they could offer collectors the opportunity to get all sorts of figures. If the gaming doesn't matter, why wouldn't genestealer cults sell? They change hands for high amounts on eBay. For Warhammer Visions they could cycle through ranges of older figures, offering them for short periods. You'd have to buy the magazine to see what was available. And there would be new product every month with them having to sculpt a thing.
How many people only collect the new releases and have little interest in gaming and would just like lots of photos of those new figures? I'm sure they exist, but GW focusing on this narrow band of the customer base for their high quality magazine, while those strange people who actually play games get a thin magazine each week (which works out double the cost per month of the old white dwarf) is just strange. No wonder so many people complain about the rules, they just aren't a priority for GW other than the opportunity to sell expensive limited editions.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well, turns out Dakka does have someone with enough polished armour to defend Visions.
One born every minute I 'spose.
I've got a horrible feeling you're referring to me as several people have fethed up the quote so it looks like Jes Bickham's copy/paste reply is written by me! A quick glance makes it look that way.
No white knight here guv, move along.
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winterdyne wrote: Well,I'm a painter, and those are not gorgeously painted. They're bog standard insipid army work. With no write up on the techniques or processes used, the pictures are useless to those who don't already know how to achieve that standard. Those that can achieve it are looking for better work (golden demon finalist level).
Totally agree Winterdyhne - im in the same bracket - As a repeared finalist level painter i feel confident to say its just eavy metal showcasing which IMO is not finalist Golden Demon level. Its neat and tidy and bright and breezy. The most id look at one of the visions catalogue for is poses of a new kit when preparing to build. And DakkaDakka is probably better for that.
They would have been better to give painters a proper forum to display our works or some half decent articles for those eavy metal aspirees!
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Warboss Gubbinz wrote: If you've ever been to higher end car dealership It reminds me of those stylized magazines they leave out in the waiting area, they are nothing but glossy high priced car photos.
BMW this is not.
GW and BMW have a lot in common. They both try to sell their product as a premium product. They both fail. Only BMW dealers treat customers a lot better. In the motor trade where I come from BMW stands for bring more water.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Jes Goodwin wrote:Warhammer: Visions is not for everybody, granted. If you like gaming more than collecting or painting, then it's probably not for you
Who gets out of bed in the morning and thinks, "I know, let's take one of our products and really narrow down the target audience."
I doubt he did that.
I suspect what went on is he woke up one morning, went into work and was informed he now had to produce 4 weekly magazines and 1 monthly with the same team and budget he had to make one monthly magazine before.
And this is the result, and precisely why so much of it is simply recycled from last months white dwarf, as Jake Thornton points out in his blog here
He doesnt have it, but I suspect if you put a tyranid codex next to that Visions mag you will likely double the number of rehashed photographs he already pointed out.
And the blanchitsu is figures that have been shown before. They arent even Blanches models, I'm not sure if that is pointed out at all in the text.
As a product it encompases the utter disdain that GW management have for the customer. Jes Goodwin is in a no win situation, thats probably all he can do with the time and money he's given, but a management team who sign off on that must think their customers are utter morons.
Well I am no Golden Deamon standard painter, but I think I get things done. The pictures in the WD and codices are just medicore. Have seen a lot of better paintjobs here on Dakka and for FREE. However it just shows what GWs target audience is ---> Kids. I remember when I was young I totally loved those paintjobs done by their teams. Nowadays I find them quiet boring cause I ve seen lots of better pics.
Sadly I believe they will sell enough of their magazines to keep thinking they are doing a good Job.
Funny how GW tries to argue that just because the magazine has a different name and different content doen't mean you can easily get out of you WD subscription
H.B.M.C. wrote: Admit it Grim, you've got pictures of Kirby on the inside of your locker. You're a closet White Knight if ever there was one!
Warboss Gubbinz wrote: If you've ever been to higher end car dealership It reminds me of those stylized magazines they leave out in the waiting area, they are nothing but glossy high priced car photos.
BMW this is not.
GW and BMW have a lot in common. They both try to sell their product as a premium product. They both fail. Only BMW dealers treat customers a lot better. In the motor trade where I come from BMW stands for bring more water.
And Ford stands for fethed on Rainy Days
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stompawompa wrote: UNBELIEVABLY TERRIBLE £17.10 for 5 magazines a month, which is the same as the old white dwarf for £5.50
THIS SKAVEN IS JUMPING OVERBOARD NOW BECAUSE THIS SHIP IS SINKING !!!!!!
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You can't polish a turd but GW will do its very best to roll that fether in glitter.
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insaniak wrote: Maybe I've missed something... But if the new weekly Dwarf is intended to showcase that week's new releases, and you have to go into the store to get it... Can't you just, I don't know, look at the new releases on the shelf while you're there, without the need for a magazine...?
That's the point. GW wants you to go to the store. If you buy just one infantry box, WD weekly has done its job, bought or not.
A lot of the pictures in visions fall flat and are certainly not worth "drooling" over. I really wish we'd get more custom terrain pieces out of the GW team, still use the kits you want to sell but do something interesting with them. I think the reason why a lot of the visions pictures fall flat is due to them being essentially the same things rearranged on a flat surface multiple times.
Interestingly the guy who posted up the Visions review has done a video talking about the old Citadel Journal.
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I kind of liked it. The photos were okay, I like looking at GW figures, and only paid £3 for it.
But I don't really see myself wanting to do that every month, so having enjoyed my flick through, I phoned up and cancelled my subscription. My impression, from the tone of the voice at the other end of the phone, was that I wasn't the first person to do so that day.
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It's interesting to see how he compares the "Visions" magazine to the "Citadel Journal" yet from the review I posted they seem nothing alike.
I think he might have been caught in an understandable rage.
How many people do you think have cancelled their subscriptions? I think it's very much been a minority that have said they are ok with this replacing WD.
Medium of Death wrote: It's interesting to see how he compares the "Visions" magazine to the "Citadel Journal" yet from the review I posted they seem nothing alike.
I think he might have been caught in an understandable rage.
Yes, not sure what he was on about there. Like you say, I think he was past the point of rational thought at that stage.
Well, I guess Citadel Journal was the same physical format, and was kind of positioned as a monthly supplement to WD, but beyond that, I got nothing.
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Flashman wrote: I love this guy's reaction. 6 minutes of barely contained exasperated rage
The comments on you tube, echo peoples thoughts here.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Kroothawk wrote: Funny how GW tries to argue that just because the magazine has a different name and different content doen't mean you can easily get out of you WD subscription
H.B.M.C. wrote: Admit it Grim, you've got pictures of Kirby on the inside of your locker. You're a closet White Knight if ever there was one!
Not the locker, the dart board
Yes, that's complete bs. It's a very simple question. Is White Dwarf the same thing as Warhammer Visions?
No.
So you, GW, have violated the terms of the contract to supply White Dwarf. The other party is no longer bound to his side of it, and he is owed his money back if he prefers that to having WH Vizsh.
Howard A Treesong wrote: No wonder so many people complain about the rules, they just aren't a priority for GW other than the opportunity to sell expensive limited editions.
Agreed. And over the past edition and a half this has become painfully obvious. Write rules to sell models. Who cares what the rules do to the game?
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Wasn't citadel journal free? I remember being given a couple as a teenager, and I loved looking at the old models (shortly after the first version of Necrons came out) and seeing all the quips and blurbs about the individual units. But again...free. Would I have paid for them? Maybe a buck. Maybe two. $10? Hell no. Got plenty of old white dwarf magazines for free too, but also bought a bunch. When they stopped having content, I stopped bothering. GW, two steps forward, twenty steps back. Your megaforces (like the bugs) are a great idea with a heavy discount. Props for that. You get a big thumbs down for Warhurl Visions.
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According to the comments in the youtube video, what he meant by comparing the WD to the Citadel Journal was how the two were both re-imagined poorly. Not that the two mags are necessarily similar.
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UNBELIEVABLY TERRIBLE £17.10 for 5 magazines a month, which is the same as the old white dwarf for £5.50
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