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Mythic has never been in the dungeon finder; it is not too difficult but arguably above the level where you just take anyone. You will need to find some people and then physically walk into the instance. The group finder is ideal for this ('premade groups' two steps under the dungeon finder).

If you are a tank, or even better if you are a healer, it should be relatively painless to join groups (or, preferably, start one of your own). If you are a DPS, you are going to need more patience due to the fact that it is a vastly more popular role and thus there is more competition.

Got a few bosses killed in LFR last night, worked well and even the snooty uberguild kids were surprised we were able to beat the bosses with minimal deaths. Got my skinning quest done

I still need a mythic run for my warblades, but I can't get a mythic group at all. Every one I ask to join turns me down. I've kind of given up, hopefully they add mythics to the dungeon finder soon even if it's a toned down version like they do for raids.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mythic has never been in the dungeon finder; it is not too difficult but arguably above the level where you just take anyone. You will need to find some people and then physically walk into the instance. The group finder is ideal for this ('premade groups' two steps under the dungeon finder).

If you are a tank, or even better if you are a healer, it should be relatively painless to join groups (or, preferably, start one of your own). If you are a DPS, you are going to need more patience due to the fact that it is a vastly more popular role and thus there is more competition.

I get immediate invites now that I'm over 850 on my main as DPS. I end up tanking a lot though because people are so desperate for tanks that they frequently undergeared/unskilled players. Had a Veng DH basically ruin a VH last night. I had to tank last two bosses and replace the two DPS that rage quit.

Led a 5/7 normal EN last week without any prior experience...when the hell did I end up tanking stuff and leading raids? Too much responsibility!!!

For anyone going into EN in order of difficulty I would say it goes from easiest to hardest -> Nythendra (unless you're horribly undergeared this is an auto win, all you do is run out Rot and dodge AoE during Heart of Swarm), Ursoc (very simple mechanic), Dragons (this is an easy version of Twin Emps), the Spider Druid (this is where the difficulty picks up slightly), Eye (if your raid can't switch to or burn Corrupted Tentacles quick you're basically screwed), and then Cenarius. Xavius is supposedly easier than Cenarius by a long shot.

In terms of wipes, Nyth=0, Ursoc=5/6 before kill, Dragons=1, Druid=1, Eye=too many to count, at like 5-6 for Cenarius right now.

Mythic keystones at 5+ are probably harder than normal EN.

Edit: Also, a lot of hidden appearances are being found, many were gated behind Artifact Knowledge 5. Prot Warrior, Sub Rogue, Assassin Rogue, Frost Mage, Prot Paladin, Havoc DH, Veng DH, Brewmaster Monk are the ones I have seen in game. Parts of Outlaw Rogue and Fury Warrior have been looted as well.

I haven't heard anything about Arms, Unholy, or Frost skins though.

 Necros wrote:
I still need a mythic run for my warblades, but I can't get a mythic group at all. Every one I ask to join turns me down. I've kind of given up, hopefully they add mythics to the dungeon finder soon even if it's a toned down version like they do for raids.

Start your own group in the group finder.

Also, you can add me to your friends list and I'll help you out. Since I'm a healer, you'll probably get a group fast as hell. Also, my guild has a tank that is always willing to help. My BattleTag is ScootyPuffJr and I typically play every evening.

OK I'll add you But do we have to be on the same server? I'm on Steamweadle Cartel.. no reason, that's just where I ended up back in the day and stayed there.

 trexmeyer wrote:

I get immediate invites now that I'm over 850 on my main as DPS. I end up tanking a lot though because people are so desperate for tanks that they frequently undergeared/unskilled players. Had a Veng DH basically ruin a VH last night. I had to tank last two bosses and replace the two DPS that rage quit.

Led a 5/7 normal EN last week without any prior experience...when the hell did I end up tanking stuff and leading raids? Too much responsibility!!!

For anyone going into EN in order of difficulty I would say it goes from easiest to hardest -> Nythendra (unless you're horribly undergeared this is an auto win, all you do is run out Rot and dodge AoE during Heart of Swarm), Ursoc (very simple mechanic), Dragons (this is an easy version of Twin Emps), the Spider Druid (this is where the difficulty picks up slightly), Eye (if your raid can't switch to or burn Corrupted Tentacles quick you're basically screwed), and then Cenarius. Xavius is supposedly easier than Cenarius by a long shot.

In terms of wipes, Nyth=0, Ursoc=5/6 before kill, Dragons=1, Druid=1, Eye=too many to count, at like 5-6 for Cenarius right now.

Mythic keystones at 5+ are probably harder than normal EN.

My group skipped normal entirely. Most of normal is an absolute joke. I poked it on my gakky undergeared frost DK alt with a pug and got 4/7. When my main group had a go to see all the fights we pretty much oneshotted all of it. Cenarius is indeed harder than Xavius but none of them are hard.

Heroic is where it starts to pick up. Our first raid night was spent wiping on Nythendra while sorting out the new recruits who did not understand how Rot worked...


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 Necros wrote:


I still need a mythic run for my warblades, but I can't get a mythic group at all. Every one I ask to join turns me down. I've kind of given up, hopefully they add mythics to the dungeon finder soon even if it's a toned down version like they do for raids.

I have never tried to join existing groups for mythic dungeons. Too much work. It's better to just form a group of your own. For normal mythics I always demand 830, and for mythic+ I demand 850.

 Necros wrote:
But do we have to be on the same server?

Nope, cross-server groups have been a thing since Patch 4.2 in 2011 (something I totally forgot when I resubbed for Legion until my buddy reminded me!).

Tried to add you but it's not working.. says it can't find your username.. Mine is Necros .. or it also says Necros#1475 whatever that means

 Necros wrote:
Tried to add you but it's not working.. says it can't find your username.. Mine is Necros .. or it also says Necros#1475 whatever that means

Yeah, sorry about that, I forgot to add the numbers: ScootyPuffJr#1230

Hey Necros, if you wanna run some mythics sometime, feel free to add me as well. Krolorr#1733

That goes for anyone else as well. I'm always looking for new people to go achievement hunting/pvp/run stuff with.

I'm short one of the 12 books I need for the discipline hidden appearance. The damn thing is a world spawn in Dragonblight with at least s one hour timer. I've been camping the goddam thing all day and have yet to see it spawn.

Also, I haven't been alone and I've gone off to do some other things from time to time so I'm sure another priest snagged it at some point.

Same goes for me, I'm down for whatever I can run - hovering around 810 ilvl currently.

Frankenberry#1544

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I'm short one of the 12 books I need for the discipline hidden appearance. The damn thing is a world spawn in Dragonblight with at least s one hour timer. I've been camping the goddam thing all day and have yet to see it spawn.

Also, I haven't been alone and I've gone off to do some other things from time to time so I'm sure another priest snagged it at some point.

I feel lucky, yet unlucky that my hidden appearance is so easy to get. It drops off of a daily quest. But, it also drops from a daily quest. Meaning probably a low drop chance. Ugh.

Cool I’ll send friend invites to ya’ll .. look me up if you want to do any mythics. I still have that one I need to finish for my warblades.

So about trades again. I just finished the quest where I can make obiteranium or whatever. Says I can use that to raise a piece of crafted get up to 850. Most of my stuff is 835 or 840 right now. When I start doing mythics and raids, am I going to end up finding stuff that’s better than 850? It looks like it would be a LOT of work to make myself a full suit of Dreadleather that starts at 815, and then upgrade it all the way to 850.. and I don’t want to do all that if the next day I suddenly find something that’s better and replace it.

I’ve seen some mythic groups say you need an 860 ilevel, so I’m assuming that’s what’s gonna happen...

This worth a look for someone who thinks TBC was WoWs pinnacle?
Have they gone back to its roots or improved on the last few expansion trainwrecks?

I haven't played WoW in years, but I'm really enjoying Legion. It's a lot different than the old world game where you were forced to go certain places at certain levels. Now you can go anywhere you want and the content there scales to your level. There's lots to do too.. I "finished" almost all of the zone quest lines and there's still tons of new things waiting for me.

I kinda wish could have gone back to the original game and redid the whole thing in this style, rather than just the Legion content.

 Ratius wrote:
This worth a look for someone who thinks TBC was WoWs pinnacle?
Have they gone back to its roots or improved on the last few expansion trainwrecks?

MoP was considerably superior to TBC; you should have gone back at that time.

You are correct that WoD was rather poor.

Legion may well be the best expansion so far.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
This worth a look for someone who thinks TBC was WoWs pinnacle?
Have they gone back to its roots or improved on the last few expansion trainwrecks?

MoP was considerably superior to TBC; you should have gone back at that time.

I could not disagree more, but that's ultimately a rather subjective thing.

For me, Cataclysm got the most right in terms of full experience, and Legion feels pretty Cataclysmic to me in terms of how quests run into each other etc. It's fairly smooth and seamless.

Unfortunately, that's what's killed my drive to do much more of it: a huge feeling of "I've already done this". I stare at my Legion characters and just think "maybe tomorrow". I've got the same with a 96 paladin I'm pushing through WoD content; I've done it so much, over and over, that I've no motivation. Legion probably gets better the more you get into it, but the biggest hurdle for me is that I haven't the motivation or enthusiasm.

Ultimately, though, it's an entirely personal thing. Ashiraya and others here like it well enough. You might just have to bite the bullet and try it yourself.

You might just have to bite the bullet and try it yourself.

Yup, agreed.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
This worth a look for someone who thinks TBC was WoWs pinnacle?
Have they gone back to its roots or improved on the last few expansion trainwrecks?

MoP was considerably superior to TBC; you should have gone back at that time.

Of course, it should be noted that Wrath of the Lich King was the high point of the game.


Until Legion came out, that is.


On a side note, I finally acquired my Tomekeeper's Spire appearance for Light's Wrath and it is beautiful!

 Necros wrote:
Cool I’ll send friend invites to ya’ll .. look me up if you want to do any mythics. I still have that one I need to finish for my warblades.

So about trades again. I just finished the quest where I can make obiteranium or whatever. Says I can use that to raise a piece of crafted get up to 850. Most of my stuff is 835 or 840 right now. When I start doing mythics and raids, am I going to end up finding stuff that’s better than 850? It looks like it would be a LOT of work to make myself a full suit of Dreadleather that starts at 815, and then upgrade it all the way to 850.. and I don’t want to do all that if the next day I suddenly find something that’s better and replace it.

I’ve seen some mythic groups say you need an 860 ilevel, so I’m assuming that’s what’s gonna happen...

Check the Dungeon Journal. There's a Loot tab. Clicking the tab will allow you to see what drops, and who drops it.

Manged to get a mythic eye of ashara run today so I got my quest done and a nice level 870 belt. Now I have to do the court of whatever and the arcway next. I also got a keystone to make a mythic be level 2, dunno if everyone gets that though.. but it says it's only good for 3 days. If I use the keystone does that make it always open, or do you need 1 keystone for every run?

Google is your friend.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/20271497/preview-mythic-keystones

So, I think I"m doing my Frost DK a disservice; might be my rotation or maybe I'm just missing a vital skill, I don't know. But I die, ALOT, especially in groups.

Anyone know a decent 'How to frost DK' guide? I love the spec, but if it'll be easier going a different spec, I might switch.

http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/frost-death-knight-pve-dps-guide

Overall though, if you die a lot it is the encounter mechanics you should read, not the class mechanics.

The spec itself is still weaker than Unholy outside mythic+, but it is workable. My piece of Frost alt (who is also my PvP character) downed normal Xavius a couple days back and was second on DPS, but the lack of mobility really hurts, especially on Elerethe Renferal.

I think I've finally come to terms with Warlocks being where we are at the moment. I'm still spanking most of my guildies as affliction, but when I look at how much damage I would be doing if I played a Hunter or Mage at the same skill level...

Also, Ursoc can go die in a fire. You'd think that affli wouldn't suffer as much due to being reasonably mobile, but having to constantly reapply Soul Effigy is friggin' annoying and costs a metric ton of DPS. Didn't get to cleave-DoT both dragons in Dragons of Nightmare either, since my raid leader didn't want me stood between the dragons in case a flower spawned there. It's not like I could just tank that very flower or anything...

Yeah, Soul Effigy is useless on Ursoc. Go with Soul Conduit. It's not ideal but it's certainly better.

Affliction is a really cool spec, but unfortunately it is kind of meaningless as long as fire mages exist. They do literally everything better.

I've been doing this entire expansion as a prot warrior. I love tanking. I have tanked everything from original ZG to Wrath, took a break for Pandas and then tanked (admittedly through Raid Finder since I was basically guild-less) all of WoD. But the guild I'm in is stocked on tanks so I DPS.

Holy crap do I hate DPSing as a warrior. Did Arcway last night for the first time. I must have died a dozen times because lolexplosions! I forgot how much blizzard hates melee dps being happy in their game.

No surprise. Prot warrior is the strongest tank right now.

 Ashiraya wrote:
No surprise. Prot warrior is the strongest tank right now.

So I've heard, though I have no basis for comparison really. Even in Wrath, when it was "Paladin Tank or Go Home" through half the raids, I stuck it out with prot. Oh well, there's always Raid Finder.