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 pretre wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
Except that's silly. Not daft. It actually fits well together and despite being flamboyant, it makes sense.

This one just looks like she was rummaging through the Tardis's wardrobe and discovered none of her clothes for anymore because she has a smaller body than her predecessor, so she had to use a pair of Matt Smith's Braces to hold her trousers up.

It doesn't flow dammit! It's half "serious 80's padded shoulder strong independent woman" and half "clown pants."

The line between silly and daft is unclear.

Also, I think that the second sentence is just about exactly what happened. She has a dude's wardrobe and tried to come up with a feminine outfit out of it.


Well in my eyes daft is when something makes no logical sense, silly can have logical sense. Daft does not. Seeing as she has the ability to travel through space and time and can't find the time to buy new clothes.

It's all a moot point, the show will not be made or broken over the outfit of the Doctor.

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The Doctor has previously given clothes to female companions, I think it’s safe to assume there’s female clothing in the wardrobe

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welshhoppo wrote:Well in my eyes daft is when something makes no logical sense, silly can have logical sense. Daft does not. Seeing as she has the ability to travel through space and time and can't find the time to buy new clothes.

Fair enough. I can see the first point. That being said, the doctor has previously not done a lot of clothes shopping and relied on the things nearby when regenerating to inform initial decisions.

It's all a moot point, the show will not be made or broken over the outfit of the Doctor.
Agreed.

statu wrote:The Doctor has previously given clothes to female companions, I think it’s safe to assume there’s female clothing in the wardrobe

Yeah, but those aren't her clothes, those are for guests.

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In terms of actual female ‘fashion’, the only companion I can think of to be a declared fashionista (as opposed to women just sort of wearing clothes) would be Tegan.

She was incredibly 80’s (as well as incredibly annoying), so that could’ve rubbed off/be a frame of reference.

   
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In terms of actual female ‘fashion’, the only companion I can think of to be a declared fashionista (as opposed to women just sort of wearing clothes) would be Tegan.

She was incredibly 80’s (as well as incredibly annoying), so that could’ve rubbed off/be a frame of reference.

Amy was a fashion model in universe.

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Wakey wakey thread!


So the special has just aired. What are your thoughts?


It was a mneh from me, okay I suppose. Don't think it actually needed the first doctor at all.

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It was okay.

They have really gone Tabula Rasa - Hard Reset on the Doctor.

I guess with a new writer, cast, etc they really wanted to push that.

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I enjoyed it well enough.

Miles better than any of the Tenant era Chrimbo Specials, and a decent enough send off for Capaldi, but no real ‘hell yeah’ moments.

   
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 welshhoppo wrote:
Wakey wakey thread!


So the special has just aired. What are your thoughts?


It was a mneh from me, okay I suppose. Don't think it actually needed the first doctor at all.

Also meh, but it definitely needed the first Doctor. There wasn't really a story there otherwise, as the Captain was just left in the TARDIS and just trotted out to be confused for a few seconds every 15 minutes or so.

It felt like a sanitized version of Capaldi (or rather, the writers for the Capaldi seasons) getting sent off. No pathetic confusion, no weirdness about being 'a good man' (especially after the revelation that he wasn't some kind of war criminal after all), no bizarrely virulent hatred of the military and every soldier. Just the noble bits were remembered to get a send off, everything else was edited out.

I do think the emotional content relied too heavily on the historical event and not the characters. Without that it would have felt a bit 'Well, see ya, I guess.' Instead the scene trappings (and music) worked the whole thing up to an emotional moment, and then thrust the characters in. And that was almost entirely undone by jamming Miss Horrible and Whats-his-name into the scene.


@Souleater- I really don't agree with that. The final bit especially was more than a little heavy handed in NOT blank slating the Doctor. A bit dodgy for avoiding the bad bits, but Capaldi went out reciting a list of what makes a proper Doctor, and the whole thing was one gigantic call back.

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I meant the last five minutes - the goodbyes to the companions, the Doctor losing her wedding ring, blowing the TARDIS up.


That smacked of hurriedly tidying up for new sets, writer and actors.

One of the things I took issue with was that The old Doctor shared the Captain's early twentieth century views of women's roles in society. Should he have been a wiser more advanced alien or were they right to keep with attitudes that may have been prevelant when that original Doctor aired?

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Voss wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
Wakey wakey thread!


So the special has just aired. What are your thoughts?


It was a mneh from me, okay I suppose. Don't think it actually needed the first doctor at all.
...no bizarrely virulent hatred of the military and every soldier. Just the noble bits were remembered to get a send off, everything else was edited out.


I think this may be a "side of the pond" thing, but his dislike of the military didn't seem particularly virulent or bizarre, and quite a fair few folk over here would consider it entirely noble - they picked that day in WW1 for a reason.

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Oh yeah. And....

Minus ten points for Clara inclusion.

   
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The only part I didn’t really care for was the Doctor losing their wedding ring at regeneration. I’d rather they kept to the marriage if nothing else as a buffer from companion romance stories.

 
   
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That might not be about that TBF.

William Hartnell's Dr wore a ring.

At various times the Doctor seemed to use the ring to do things like opening the TARDIS and so on.

The ring was discarded when Pat Troughton became the Doctor. It slipped off the Doctor's finger when he was incarnated as the Second Doctor. Whatever use it may have had for the First Doctor the Second Doctor seemed to have moved on and no longer used it.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
Voss wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
Wakey wakey thread!


So the special has just aired. What are your thoughts?


It was a mneh from me, okay I suppose. Don't think it actually needed the first doctor at all.
...no bizarrely virulent hatred of the military and every soldier. Just the noble bits were remembered to get a send off, everything else was edited out.


I think this may be a "side of the pond" thing, but his dislike of the military didn't seem particularly virulent or bizarre, and quite a fair few folk over here would consider it entirely noble - they picked that day in WW1 for a reason.

Well, obviously they picked that day- it was an easy emotional trigger to prop up the lacking emotional content of the story

But I wasn't referring to this Christmas Special, but during the general run of the Clara/Capaldi seasons, especially when she had the ex-military boyfriend. And the weird Dalek episode. Both the Doctor and Clara were way out of line a great deal in their basic interactions with another person, solely because they were military or ex-military. Which never really tracked with Doctor Who in general, unless they were characters explicitly subbing guns for brains.

My statement of 'Just the noble bits' was referring to Capaldi's Doctor, not the war. The entire list of flaws (his initial confusion, weirdness about being ' a good man,' being anti-military) was simply excluded from this retrospective episode. And unfortunately, thanks to the writers, those are traits that I really associate with Capaldi's Doctor. Not the 'servant of humanity' or whatever that is supposed to be about.

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Broadly speaking, us Brits aren't fans of the whole 'guns' thing. - There might be a bit of projecting American values onto British television there.

As for 12 being grumpy about the military, I think that DOES tie into his experiences as the War Doctor (which he only really properly confronted, instead of running away from at the end of 11)as well as maybe Trenzalore and is something he only finally came to terms with in this episode with the discussion about being a "Doctor of War."
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Voss wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Voss wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
Wakey wakey thread!


So the special has just aired. What are your thoughts?


It was a mneh from me, okay I suppose. Don't think it actually needed the first doctor at all.
...no bizarrely virulent hatred of the military and every soldier. Just the noble bits were remembered to get a send off, everything else was edited out.


I think this may be a "side of the pond" thing, but his dislike of the military didn't seem particularly virulent or bizarre, and quite a fair few folk over here would consider it entirely noble - they picked that day in WW1 for a reason.

Well, obviously they picked that day- it was an easy emotional trigger to prop up the lacking emotional content of the story

But I wasn't referring to this Christmas Special, but during the general run of the Clara/Capaldi seasons, especially when she had the ex-military boyfriend. And the weird Dalek episode. Both the Doctor and Clara were way out of line a great deal in their basic interactions with another person, solely because they were military or ex-military. Which never really tracked with Doctor Who in general, unless they were characters explicitly subbing guns for brains.

My statement of 'Just the noble bits' was referring to Capaldi's Doctor, not the war. The entire list of flaws (his initial confusion, weirdness about being ' a good man,' being anti-military) was simply excluded from this retrospective episode. And unfortunately, thanks to the writers, those are traits that I really associate with Capaldi's Doctor. Not the 'servant of humanity' or whatever that is supposed to be about.


I understood what you meant fine - I'm saying that plenty of people over here consider being "anti-military"(ie, anti-war) entirely noble and exactly the sort of moral lesson that's appropriate for a family show broadcast on Saturday evenings, and that's one of the reasons they picked that day in that war for this Doctor's retrospective. Oh I'm sure there are some out there particularly these days who think it's the highest affront ever perpetrated by a television show, but broadly speaking even here in the UK at the more militaristic and vacuously nostalgic end of European sentiment war is still seen as a sorrowful affair to be avoided and military service a sad necessity resulting from a failure to do things the right way, not some heroic affair that needs glorification and pat "thank you for your service" sentiment. The tabloid rags and the Daily Mail might give the impression we're all flag-waving poppy-bedecked Imperialists marching around singing Britannia Rules The Waves 24/7, but that's very much still a vocal minority.

EDIT: Also, when did taking the time on occasion to reflect on your own actions and whether or not they were ethical and just become a negative thing?

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I’m glad to see the back of Steven Moffat on this series. His last episode was yet another opportunity to make himself look clever and progressive with some viewers, at the expense of the programme, this time the characterisation of an older doctor.

Hartnell’s Doctor just wasn’t like that, over the last year or two I’ve watched every surviving episode of 60s Who and only on odd occasion does he say things like those in this story. If you asked a dr who fan what aspects of his speech stood out, they’d likely mention the way he fluffed his lines which they worked into the script as him getting people’s names wrong, especially his companion Ian. They wouldn’t likely talk about what a massive sexist he was, yet the Xmas story would leave you with the impression he was dropping these things every five minutes.

Maybe he could have said one thing a bit off and Capaldi’s Doctor could have done an eye roll, keep it subtle. Instead there were about half a dozen occasions when the 1st Doctor said something a bit old fashioned and Capaldi’s Doctor has to shame the character by shouting ‘you can’t say that!’ Moffat knows it wasn’t actually like that in 60s Who, but for laughs or to score points, it’s a disservice to the early years of the series which pioneered by a female producer and indian director was never going to be crude and thoughtless. If you took the sum of all the dubious things Hartnell’s Doctor said over his three year span you’d barely amount the total of the moments crammed into this story. It was much better handled in the Five Doctors, where his attitude was recognised, but you weren’t beaten over the head about it.

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I agree.

Thinking it over, the episode seemed to me to be a slightly self-congratulatory swan song for Moffat from Moffat.

There's no doubt he's achieved a lot, but IMO he had outstayed his welcome a few years ago.

I enjoyed the ending with the sudden appearance of Jodie Whittaker. (After giving it a lot of thought, I hate the new outfit that has been shown in publicity stlls.)

To be fair, I was rather sozzled when I watched this episode.

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 Yodhrin wrote:

I understood what you meant fine - I'm saying that plenty of people over here consider being "anti-military"(ie, anti-war)

You obviously did not if you consider those to be the same thing. Being anti-war is a perfectly reasonable position. Being anti-military, deliberately and specifically targeting individuals and treating them like crap because they served in the military is an entirely different thing, and pretty much a constant of the Capaldi/Clara seasons, especially with the boyfriend. The stark difference was made pretty clear in this special, given the worshipful attitude that appears once the Captain's identity was made clear. Given the way this Doctor had been written during his run, I completely expected a sneer. Hence why I think they're glossing over the negatives for this send off.


EDIT: Also, when did taking the time on occasion to reflect on your own actions and whether or not they were ethical and just become a negative thing?
Never. But then, Capaldi's Doctor never did that. He simply didn't remember much of himself and was constantly demanding quick and easy answers out of Clara for the first season. That's what 'am I good man?' was about. Not self-reflection, but a needy whine for assurance.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Frankly I think you're projecting far more emotion and malice onto this Doctor than was actually present, and that your determination to see him as "anti-military"(and again, I got your point just fine, there's a reason for those quotation marks) is causing you to treat war-weary cynicism and pointed humour as something more than that.

Again - the level of reverence for the military you're used to simply isn't a thing for most folk over here, hell I've known ex-squaddies who talk about the service with the same cynical tone and lack of superficial respect this Doctor displays.

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 pretre wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
It's not clothes! It's art!


Personally I think the outfit looks a little daft.

Good thing the doctor has never been known to dress a little daft:

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Yeah but at least we had Peri to look at.... Nicola Bryant made that a lot easier to watch.... a LOT easier.
   
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Oh yeah. And....

Minus ten points for Clara inclusion.


but its a nu-Who tradition to drag back companions that have forgotten or cant be arsed to relearn the accent, and whilst Jenna's wasn't as Van Dyke as Billie's it was erring on Queeny V rather than Clara of t'North (Pond gets a pass cos reasons)

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Air date confirmed, 7 October 2018.

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The show is moving to Sunday evenings.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/a0f9fe6c-8981-4cfb-a1f1-7165bae27370

Not exactly sure why but the actual air time is less relevant in the modern world of VOD anyway.

Perhaps the BBC have worked out that Sunday night is the main night of the week when a whole family might sit down together to watch TV.

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