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 Vertrucio wrote:
You'll complain when things are out of scale, and you'll complain when things are properly in scale.

No, I'm complaining that they changed the scale of the humans SPECIFICALLY to make them incompatible with what we already bought and terrain we own. And most of what we had was from them! It's not like they missed out on sales. This could have been the 2nd edition for the IA skirmish mode.

So, they'll just do this and people will still buy regardless of complaints.

Of course they'll buy. It's Star Wars. Hell, *I* may buy. But that doesnt change that it's a scummy move designed to sell the same Stormtroopers/Luke/Vader units twice to people who already had them in IA. What's really frustrating is having to wait through a bunch of re-releases to get to new stuff, like Bounty Hunters, Dr. Aphra, Thrawn, Phoenix Squad, etc. They'll probably revise the scale to be 45mm by then though, so get us buying the same crap yet again.

I did not get into imperial assault because I didn’t like the look of the figs. So they didn’t force me to buy both. If you were happy with IA when it came out and you got enjoyment out of it, then great, but it doesn’t have anything to do with this game. We see this same argument with EVERY system that’s out there that revamps. Numarine....oh GW is sticking it to us. They made a new system and need to recoupe their investment. The provided something really nice looking for this system to fund it. You can use the IA figs in this game if you want just like older GW models get used in games where there are new models for the same unit. The only place where it might not be accepted is in tournaments or sponsored events. I haven’t gotten back into Necromunda because A) rules aren’t complete B) all the gangs aren’t out yet. I’d use my old Escher and old buildings, even if they are out of scale.

Ultimately, there's no real way that FFG was going to release a system that had you using Imperial Assault figures anyway. The Jedi Knight Luke expansion wouldn't contain any of the correct cards or upgrades or anything. I mean, this is a company where you can't even get away with the Stormtroopers in the starter box with expectations you'll buy the standalone expansion.

I'd also be curious if they could even get away with reusing the Imperial Assault stuff. I don't think its quality is competitive with the industry, but even if it was, I'm curious if they can reuse anything Imperial Assault without Hasbro having some of the rights to it. In any case, the real shame to me is just that the quality isn't better still if they were going to bother improving it.

There's also the legal matter. Hasbro owns Imperial Assault now, at least partially, or whatever company that sued them.

These, legally, have to be a different scale to avoid further lawsuits.

 Vertrucio wrote:
There's also the legal matter. Hasbro owns Imperial Assault now, at least partially, or whatever company that sued them.

These, legally, have to be a different scale to avoid further lawsuits.

Source?

That's a new one to me.

These figures look like they will be much closer to 1/48 scale than th3 IA figures. And the quality is much higher if the figures in Sorastoro's videos (2 & 3) are production figures. I'm not terribly excited when companies pull scale changes but if the accompanying quality rises, I'm much more willing to accept it. The IA figures were pretty bad with both quality and scale consistency.

I like the detail, I'm just not sure I want to play another FFG game. I might pick up some of these anyway just to put together, or for when I convince my group to play the RPG.

 Taarnak wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
There's also the legal matter. Hasbro owns Imperial Assault now, at least partially, or whatever company that sued them.

These, legally, have to be a different scale to avoid further lawsuits.

Source?

That's a new one to me.

These figures look like they will be much closer to 1/48 scale than th3 IA figures. And the quality is much higher if the figures in Sorastoro's videos (2 & 3) are production figures. I'm not terribly excited when companies pull scale changes but if the accompanying quality rises, I'm much more willing to accept it. The IA figures were pretty bad with both quality and scale consistency.

To my knowledge, Hasbro does not own Imperial Assault. What they do own, however, is the license from LucasFilm/Disney to produce any Star Wars board games. Imperial Assault included the skirmish mode to make it "not a boardgame" which evidently Hasbro thought was a load of bunk and took up with the licensor. This in turn lead to an arrangement being worked out which no doubt included money, but also seemingly encompasses that FFG doesn't sell Imperial Assault on their own website.

Likely making Legion's miniatures a different scale and actually not a board game are to make it clear that it's not an end-run on the agreement with Hasbro, along with making them more money than allowing people to re-use IA of course.

 Krinsath wrote:

To my knowledge, Hasbro does not own Imperial Assault. What they do own, however, is the license from LucasFilm/Disney to produce any Star Wars board games. Imperial Assault included the skirmish mode to make it "not a boardgame" which evidently Hasbro thought was a load of bunk and took up with the licensor. This in turn lead to an arrangement being worked out which no doubt included money, but also seemingly encompasses that FFG doesn't sell Imperial Assault on their own website.

Likely making Legion's miniatures a different scale and actually not a board game are to make it clear that it's not an end-run on the agreement with Hasbro, along with making them more money than allowing people to re-use IA of course.

I doubt that the lack of availability of Imperial Assault on FFG's website is for any license reasons, if you'll go through their X-Wing range you'll see a number of products which are not available. FFG is notorious for having supply chain issues where items fall out of availability for meany months at a time because they either have not printed enough to meet demand or are waiting for a new batch of production from Asia.

 Collinsas wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:

To my knowledge, Hasbro does not own Imperial Assault. What they do own, however, is the license from LucasFilm/Disney to produce any Star Wars board games. Imperial Assault included the skirmish mode to make it "not a boardgame" which evidently Hasbro thought was a load of bunk and took up with the licensor. This in turn lead to an arrangement being worked out which no doubt included money, but also seemingly encompasses that FFG doesn't sell Imperial Assault on their own website.

Likely making Legion's miniatures a different scale and actually not a board game are to make it clear that it's not an end-run on the agreement with Hasbro, along with making them more money than allowing people to re-use IA of course.

I doubt that the lack of availability of Imperial Assault on FFG's website is for any license reasons, if you'll go through their X-Wing range you'll see a number of products which are not available. FFG is notorious for having supply chain issues where items fall out of availability for meany months at a time because they either have not printed enough to meet demand or are waiting for a new batch of production from Asia.

FFG has never sold any Imperial Assault products through its website and they confirmed early on that they were not able to for licencing reasons. This is why the products are listed as “not available” rather than just sold out.

 Taarnak wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
There's also the legal matter. Hasbro owns Imperial Assault now, at least partially, or whatever company that sued them.

These, legally, have to be a different scale to avoid further lawsuits.

Source?

That's a new one to me.

These figures look like they will be much closer to 1/48 scale than th3 IA figures. And the quality is much higher if the figures in Sorastoro's videos (2 & 3) are production figures. I'm not terribly excited when companies pull scale changes but if the accompanying quality rises, I'm much more willing to accept it. The IA figures were pretty bad with both quality and scale consistency.

I'm not a lawyer, I just play one on forums.

/shrug

Whether or not there are licensing issues with Hasbro behind it, FFG didn't do it for Descent/Runewars either. So even without Hasbro in the mix (hypothetical or real), I'd doubt they even considered.

Star War simply because of the name recognition of the licensed brand might have legs on its own. Runewars probably would've desperately needed the "kickstart" of people being able to (easily, with support from FFG to make it smooth) dust off their various Descent goblins and skeletons and what not and start playing Runewars with maybe pdf-rules or 40K-style Index books that have all the rules for all FFG Descent miniatures to launch a somewhat viable Runewars scene.

Instead, despite sharing the same universe and scale, Descent is basically walled-off from Runewars (for all but the most tenacious hobbyists) through the Runewars sales model with cards and dials and all that tied to the miniatures they come with, instead of separate rule/army-books and possibly generic or customizable dials sold separately from miniatures.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
There's also the legal matter. Hasbro owns Imperial Assault now, at least partially, or whatever company that sued them.

These, legally, have to be a different scale to avoid further lawsuits.

Source?

That's a new one to me.

These figures look like they will be much closer to 1/48 scale than th3 IA figures. And the quality is much higher if the figures in Sorastoro's videos (2 & 3) are production figures. I'm not terribly excited when companies pull scale changes but if the accompanying quality rises, I'm much more willing to accept it. The IA figures were pretty bad with both quality and scale consistency.

To my knowledge, Hasbro does not own Imperial Assault. What they do own, however, is the license from LucasFilm/Disney to produce any Star Wars board games. Imperial Assault included the skirmish mode to make it "not a boardgame" which evidently Hasbro thought was a load of bunk and took up with the licensor. This in turn lead to an arrangement being worked out which no doubt included money, but also seemingly encompasses that FFG doesn't sell Imperial Assault on their own website.

Likely making Legion's miniatures a different scale and actually not a board game are to make it clear that it's not an end-run on the agreement with Hasbro, along with making them more money than allowing people to re-use IA of course.

Is there any actual evidence of this? I mean, every time someone asks for a source, instead all we seem to see is "I heard on a forum that ..." Admittedly, any actual contractual agreement will be confidential, so actually getting a proper source is unlikely.

 Krinsath wrote:
This in turn lead to an arrangement being worked out which no doubt included money, but also seemingly encompasses that FFG doesn't sell Imperial Assault on their own website.

That's not actually true, though. At least anywhere not the USA:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/coleccion/star_wars_imperial_assault

So if there's some kind of arrangement, it's only for the USA.

Aeneades wrote:
FFG has never sold any Imperial Assault products through its website and they confirmed early on that they were not able to for licencing reasons. This is why the products are listed as “not available” rather than just sold out.

See above.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
This in turn lead to an arrangement being worked out which no doubt included money, but also seemingly encompasses that FFG doesn't sell Imperial Assault on their own website.

That's not actually true, though. At least anywhere not the USA:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/coleccion/star_wars_imperial_assault

So if there's some kind of arrangement, it's only for the USA.

Aeneades wrote:
FFG has never sold any Imperial Assault products through its website and they confirmed early on that they were not able to for licencing reasons. This is why the products are listed as “not available” rather than just sold out.

See above.

Yes, licensing agreements often are for specific territories as international laws vary. As mentioned, FFG has never sold it (to the US) on their own website, and it's not due to "stock issues"; FFG has a status called "Out of Stock" for those situations. Hasbro has the license through 2020, renewed in 2013 for $225 million. Reported on a few forums from a Flight Report about the Imperial Assault/Hasbro question was essentially "It's complicated..." which is about as close to confirmation as we're likely to get.

FFG would have likely changed up the scale regardless because it's more profitable in general, but there are other factors in play at least.

So we've got some character cards shown.. General Weiss as a Vehicle character makes sense. He's already in an AT-ST in the previous game..

And Wedge as a Repulsor driver, maybe here he'll be more used then in an actual X-wing.

So I found this on the Net Tubes today.

https://imgur.com/gallery/vLtE1

Leia and Marines

Hmm I was totally ready for Hoth rebels and doing a snowy board. Looks like it's gonna be Endor for me...this kinda sealed the deal.

It is kinda weird since the Leia looks like the Hoth Leia, but the Marines kinda throw that off.

I think it’s Return of the Jedi Leia without the poncho.

any clue as to why they went with that crazy movement widget?
i wonder if you can just use a tape measure or if the mechanics of the widget change how you move?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
any clue as to why they went with that crazy movement widget?
i wonder if you can just use a tape measure or if the mechanics of the widget change how you move?

Because FFG likes you buying their gaming peripherals then anything easy to get outside of it.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
any clue as to why they went with that crazy movement widget?
i wonder if you can just use a tape measure or if the mechanics of the widget change how you move?

Two things. One, I assume the game continues to use a variation of Decent dice, which means range part of the dice results and guns naturally get more accurate/do more damage as you get closer. That system doesn't work great for things like inches, so a larger segment makes sense.

Probably more importantly, the vehicles have notches in the front and facing arcs. I assume the movement stick restricts how fast they can turn.

ah vehicles.
I was strictly thinking about infantry.

Over in Europe, it appears that an employee of a French games distributor for Fantasy Flight Games took and posted a photo of two unannounced expansions for Star Wars: Legion on Instagram. This presumably confirms the next unreleased two Rebel expansions as:

Leia Organa (in Endor combat gear)

and

Rebel Fleet Troopers (as seen in ANH)

https://mezmaronslair.blogspot.com/2018/01/star-wars-legion-leak-of-commander-leia.html

I would like to see some rebels on tauntauns would make for a great Hoth type snow board unit.

More articles (rebel expansions)
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/1/24/inspire-rebellion/

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/1/24/defend-the-fleet/

I am just super not excited about the rebel stuff in this game. :(

The sculpt for Leia looks soft. If you want to play with the big boys, you better bring your 'A' game.

 LunarSol wrote:
I am just super not excited about the rebel stuff in this game. :(

I am. I think I got the Empire mostly out of my system back in my SWG days, and after Rogue One I'm super keen to collect a force of Rebels(even if as is very likely I end up playing them using a game system with a less gratuitously cynical business model). I'm less excited by the "special characters" though, that's one area where Empire have the advantage since outside of Vader most of their characters can easily be used to represent any officer of a similar rank & occupation, while most of the recognisable Rebel officers are "big names" with a fairly unique look.

On paper, everything about this game should make it an instant buy and a huge success (which it may very well be). I love star wars. I love miniature games. Multi part plastic kits are typically the best way to go from a modelling perspective (for more than a few troops). Yet I find myself increasingly indifferent.

The whole thing just looks... kinda cheap (except the actual price). The boxes and artwork are typical FGG levels of awesome but the actual models.... I don't know. They just don't look good. Maybe the paint job. Maybe the cast quality but they just don't look like their characters. Leia is the worst. Just a pudding face on an awkwardly posed body. Luke is likewise...uncomfortable.

I know we can't expect GW levels of plastics but these don't seem a step up from the Imperial Assault models (which vary massively in terms of scale, cast quality etc.) I might get a set of Stormtroopers just to check them out but I'm really struggling to summon the interest I want to have.