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 Lance845 wrote:
Good. Nobody has ever hated starwars or been more toxic to starwars than starwars fans. Glad to see them go.

Like what you like. Like it to the extent that you like it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I was a huge Star Wars fan, and even enjoyed the Vong series that so many despise. I hated TLJ, and have become apathetic to episode 9. I wasn’t toxic to Star Wars. But this movie was crap, and ruined it. If you like it, good on you for having poor taste in a terrible movie. But when 95% of us on here say it’s terrible, and you tell us “good, piss off”, well think about it this way; if they lose 95% of ticket sales, how many more episodes do you think you’ll get? Yes, I get that Dakka is only a sampling of fans. But if you think we’re the only ones who hated a movie that crapped all over a series we all used to love, you’re pathetically wrong.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Good. Nobody has ever hated starwars or been more toxic to starwars than starwars fans. Glad to see them go.

Like what you like. Like it to the extent that you like it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I was a huge Star Wars fan, and even enjoyed the Vong series that so many despise. I hated TLJ, and have become apathetic to episode 9. I wasn’t toxic to Star Wars. But this movie was crap, and ruined it. If you like it, good on you for having poor taste in a terrible movie. But when 95% of us on here say it’s terrible, and you tell us “good, piss off”, well think about it this way; if they lose 95% of ticket sales, how many more episodes do you think you’ll get? Yes, I get that Dakka is only a sampling of fans. But if you think we’re the only ones who hated a movie that crapped all over a series we all used to love, you’re pathetically wrong.


The negative always yell the loudest but they rarely make up anything close to a majority. If you think they will make episode 9 and it won't make hundreds of millions of dollars you are pathetically wrong. Nothing in 7 or 8 was nearly as bad as 1 2 or 3 and SW did just fine.

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 Lance845 wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Good. Nobody has ever hated starwars or been more toxic to starwars than starwars fans. Glad to see them go.

Like what you like. Like it to the extent that you like it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I was a huge Star Wars fan, and even enjoyed the Vong series that so many despise. I hated TLJ, and have become apathetic to episode 9. I wasn’t toxic to Star Wars. But this movie was crap, and ruined it. If you like it, good on you for having poor taste in a terrible movie. But when 95% of us on here say it’s terrible, and you tell us “good, piss off”, well think about it this way; if they lose 95% of ticket sales, how many more episodes do you think you’ll get? Yes, I get that Dakka is only a sampling of fans. But if you think we’re the only ones who hated a movie that crapped all over a series we all used to love, you’re pathetically wrong.


The negative always yell the loudest but they rarely make up anything close to a majority. If you think they will make episode 9 and it won't make hundreds of millions of dollars you are pathetically wrong. Nothing in 7 or 8 was nearly as bad as 1 2 or 3 and SW did just fine.
Actually, I think a large reason people go and keep watching is because it's essentially an obligation. It's just a thing you do, because it's so much a part of society.

Almost in the same way people watch the Super Bowl, or the World Cup, or the Olympics - I can largely say that most people watching don't have a vested interest, they're not superfans, they don't have much of an emotional connection - but it's so socially ingrained to do, you just do it.

I can personally say this is my experience. I didn't have much of a problem with 7, quite liked it (I prefer 3 though) and really don't like 8. Will I watch 9? Yeah, because I feel socially obligated to.

However, if this new trilogy wasn't supported by the films that came before, and the vast weight society has applied to the Star Wars brand, I doubt there'd be a tenth of the people going back to see 9.


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Years ago, people said I was 'talking crazy' when I said that Disney taking Star Wars and Marvel would reduce both of those franchises to a dumpster fire.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Years ago, people said I was 'talking crazy' when I said that Disney taking Star Wars and Marvel would reduce both of those franchises to a dumpster fire.

I still have to rest my legs from doing my "told you so" dance so often.
Can't say I agree on Marvel, but Star Wars has had some bad calls. If that's purely because it's Disney, however, is up for debate.


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Can't say I agree on Marvel, but Star Wars has had some bad calls. If that's purely because it's Disney, however, is up for debate.


Marvel movies are great. I enjoy them.

Their comics, however, have become a cesspit and their writers and editors are a toxic mob of scumbags that shouldn't be putting together hamburgers for a dollar an hour, much less comic books.

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Good. Nobody has ever hated starwars or been more toxic to starwars than starwars fans. Glad to see them go.

Like what you like. Like it to the extent that you like it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I was a huge Star Wars fan, and even enjoyed the Vong series that so many despise. I hated TLJ, and have become apathetic to episode 9. I wasn’t toxic to Star Wars. But this movie was crap, and ruined it. If you like it, good on you for having poor taste in a terrible movie. But when 95% of us on here say it’s terrible, and you tell us “good, piss off”, well think about it this way; if they lose 95% of ticket sales, how many more episodes do you think you’ll get? Yes, I get that Dakka is only a sampling of fans. But if you think we’re the only ones who hated a movie that crapped all over a series we all used to love, you’re pathetically wrong.


The negative always yell the loudest but they rarely make up anything close to a majority. If you think they will make episode 9 and it won't make hundreds of millions of dollars you are pathetically wrong. Nothing in 7 or 8 was nearly as bad as 1 2 or 3 and SW did just fine.
Actually, I think a large reason people go and keep watching is because it's essentially an obligation. It's just a thing you do, because it's so much a part of society.

Almost in the same way people watch the Super Bowl, or the World Cup, or the Olympics - I can largely say that most people watching don't have a vested interest, they're not superfans, they don't have much of an emotional connection - but it's so socially ingrained to do, you just do it.

I can personally say this is my experience. I didn't have much of a problem with 7, quite liked it (I prefer 3 though) and really don't like 8. Will I watch 9? Yeah, because I feel socially obligated to.

However, if this new trilogy wasn't supported by the films that came before, and the vast weight society has applied to the Star Wars brand, I doubt there'd be a tenth of the people going back to see 9.


I don't watch the Superbowl, Wold Cup, or the Olympics.

You should stop doing things because you think you should and start doing them because you want to. Especially if you don't like a thing. Capitalism. Vote with your dollars.


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Can't say I agree on Marvel, but Star Wars has had some bad calls. If that's purely because it's Disney, however, is up for debate.


Marvel movies are great. I enjoy them.

Their comics, however, have become a cesspit and their writers and editors are a toxic mob of scumbags that shouldn't be putting together hamburgers for a dollar an hour, much less comic books.


Comics have ALWAYS been majority trash. Theres like 10-20% of all comics that are any good at all.

That being said they really need to get Ike Permutter the feth out of there.

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 Lance845 wrote:

Comics have ALWAYS been majority trash. Theres like 10-20% of all comics that are any good at all.

That being said they really need to get Ike Permutter the feth out of there.


First and foremost, they need to remind the people working at Marvel that they're talking to customers on social media, and that it doesn't take much to just stop insulting everyone you disagree with.

Absolutely no industry in the world tolerates that kind of scum. They need to be hurled out the door and forgotten.


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But hey, his legs are tired from dancing too much about being right?


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 Lance845 wrote:
But hey, his legs are tired from dancing too much about being right?


So if something makes a lot of money on its opening weekend, it's good. Mind you, it was also a 77% plunge after opening weekend- one of the biggest for a movie like this (in the Star Wars franchise)- so it didn't take long for that word to get out that it sucked.

Yes, those legs are tired from dancing. Aching, even.

Please, tell me about the awesome storytelling from The Last Jedi and how consistent and solid the plot was.

But then again, spineless incels are afraid to criticize this movie. Some neon-haired woman might get upset over it, can't have that.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
But hey, his legs are tired from dancing too much about being right?


So if something makes a lot of money on its opening weekend, it's good. Mind you, it was also a 77% plunge after opening weekend- one of the biggest for a movie like this (in the Star Wars franchise)- so it didn't take long for that word to get out that it sucked.

Yes, those legs are tired from dancing. Aching, even.

Please, tell me about the awesome storytelling from The Last Jedi and how consistent and solid the plot was.

But then again, spineless incels are afraid to criticize this movie. Some neon-haired woman might get upset over it, can't have that.


It says a lot about you that you

1) didn't understand that we were talking about Marvel.

2) Jump strait to insults and calling people Incels (i had to look up what that even was)

3) think people who dye their hair fit into some kind of box that you find derogatory.

Keep on keeping on Adeptus. You can keep bigoting all you want over there. It's all right.


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Defending either, outside of the Marvel cinematic movies, makes you fit that bill. IMHO. Star Wars movies and current Marvel Comics are trash, and getting upset about criticism of those things makes you a bit of a sad creature in my book.

Judging someone by their absurd hair color is no more 'bigoted' than judging them for a stupid tattoo or some other idiotic cosmetic purchase. It's a hair color, not an ethnicity or sexuality. Stop acting like it's a problem.

There is a lot that can be said of you as well, young man- but I'm trying to be nice.

...and I don't think you warrant the words.

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 Manchu wrote:
Folks, this is a good time to remind everyone that Rule Number One is Be Polite. Thanks!


Considering you seem to be the only person I've seen enforce this rule with any degree of fairness, I will respect your request.

Also, you have a message from me. HMU when you get a moment.

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Lance845 wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Good. Nobody has ever hated starwars or been more toxic to starwars than starwars fans. Glad to see them go.

Like what you like. Like it to the extent that you like it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I was a huge Star Wars fan, and even enjoyed the Vong series that so many despise. I hated TLJ, and have become apathetic to episode 9. I wasn’t toxic to Star Wars. But this movie was crap, and ruined it. If you like it, good on you for having poor taste in a terrible movie. But when 95% of us on here say it’s terrible, and you tell us “good, piss off”, well think about it this way; if they lose 95% of ticket sales, how many more episodes do you think you’ll get? Yes, I get that Dakka is only a sampling of fans. But if you think we’re the only ones who hated a movie that crapped all over a series we all used to love, you’re pathetically wrong.


The negative always yell the loudest but they rarely make up anything close to a majority. If you think they will make episode 9 and it won't make hundreds of millions of dollars you are pathetically wrong. Nothing in 7 or 8 was nearly as bad as 1 2 or 3 and SW did just fine.
Actually, I think a large reason people go and keep watching is because it's essentially an obligation. It's just a thing you do, because it's so much a part of society.

Almost in the same way people watch the Super Bowl, or the World Cup, or the Olympics - I can largely say that most people watching don't have a vested interest, they're not superfans, they don't have much of an emotional connection - but it's so socially ingrained to do, you just do it.

I can personally say this is my experience. I didn't have much of a problem with 7, quite liked it (I prefer 3 though) and really don't like 8. Will I watch 9? Yeah, because I feel socially obligated to.

However, if this new trilogy wasn't supported by the films that came before, and the vast weight society has applied to the Star Wars brand, I doubt there'd be a tenth of the people going back to see 9.


I don't watch the Superbowl, Wold Cup, or the Olympics.
I didn't say you did.

I said "people" did, not necessarily meaning yourself. You know, people, meaning a general collective, of which there are often exceptions?

And I think that's a very valid point - a lot of people will do and see certain things because it's almost culturally and socially obliged that you do. I think Star Wars has reached the point where even if you're not a massive fan, or even slightly interested, you'll go and see it, because almost everyone is.

You should stop doing things because you think you should and start doing them because you want to. Especially if you don't like a thing. Capitalism. Vote with your dollars.
Let's make this clear: I like Star Wars. I don't like TLJ. I'm not saying Star Wars is ruined, nor have I ever said that. However, I'm not optimistic about how it's going. Does that mean that I won't see the film? No, because as I said above, societal obligations, and also that I want to see what happens next, because maybe, just maybe, they might resolve it in a way I personally like.

Does that mean I'm not allowed to criticize the film, because I paid money for it? No - my voice in criticism is how I tell the company that I don't like their product. Hopefully, the next time they make something, they'll appeal to the voices they care about, which might be mine - I'll never know if they appeal to me if I don't purchase their product again.
I'm not at the point where I'm done with Star Wars. I still care. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy with what they've done.


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Sgt_Smudge, you took the things I said WAY too seriously.

-You are allowed to criticize. You are welcome to it.

-I guess some people watch TV because they think they have to? I don't know. I don't and I don't know anyone who does.

-Like what you like and like it to the extent that you like it. Nobody is going to stop you. If you like SW enough to give giving them your money then they will take it. If you don't like it enough to keep paying movie theater prices then red box/netflix it. It will get there eventually. If you don't like it your welcome to say so.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Pretty much anyone with kids HAS to see every Star Wars film.


This is understandable. I've written this whole series off as a children's show.

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I am sure TLJ ill sell tons of the new bomber ships and and tie fighters with extra rockets on them as soon as they get around to making them. There really haven't been any toys made of any of the new stuff yet. So ANOTHER Rey/Finn that looks just like the last movie? Yep. Didn't sell super well.

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 Lance845 wrote:
I am sure TLJ ill sell tons of the new bomber ships and and tie fighters with extra rockets on them as soon as they get around to making them. There really haven't been any toys made of any of the new stuff yet. So ANOTHER Rey/Finn that looks just like the last movie? Yep. Didn't sell super well.


Dude, there's figures on the shelf for two bucks. The first wave didn't make the cash, the second one isn't. Because some idiot at Hasbro didn't learn the lesson- kids don't want 4-5 different scales of action figure. They want a lot of compatible figures that work with a lot of vehicles.

GI Joe figured this out a long time ago with the Sgt. Savage, GI Joe Extreme, and Sigma 6 debacle. Not sure why Hasbro forgot this.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
I am sure TLJ ill sell tons of the new bomber ships and and tie fighters with extra rockets on them as soon as they get around to making them. There really haven't been any toys made of any of the new stuff yet. So ANOTHER Rey/Finn that looks just like the last movie? Yep. Didn't sell super well.


Dude, there's figures on the shelf for two bucks. The first wave didn't make the cash, the second one isn't. Because some idiot at Hasbro didn't learn the lesson- kids don't want 4-5 different scales of action figure. They want a lot of compatible figures that work with a lot of vehicles.

GI Joe figured this out a long time ago with the Sgt. Savage, GI Joe Extreme, and Sigma 6 debacle. Not sure why Hasbro forgot this.


Sure. So what exactly does that have to do with the movie?


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 Lance845 wrote:
Sure. So what exactly does that have to do with the movie?


...you literally just said it was 'always a movie to sell stuff to kids'.

I showed you how that was not working.

So it's either a 'kids' movie designed to sell stuff to kids' and failed at that, or it is any other movie I can criticize for any of its MANY flaws.

Or both.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Sure. So what exactly does that have to do with the movie?


...you literally just said it was 'always a movie to sell stuff to kids'.

I showed you how that was not working.

So it's either a 'kids' movie designed to sell stuff to kids' and failed at that, or it is any other movie I can criticize for any of its MANY flaws.

Or both.


You said the movie was bad, and as a result has had poor sales of toys. Then you went on to explain how hasbro has had a really poor production plan for their toys which has made their various line incompatible and cause problems for the toy sales.

I agree with the hasbro bit. Hasbro has been releasing so many different lines of toys at different scales and it's become 5 different figures of the same character in the same clothes with different levels of posibility and detail. Thats bad. It's not great for toy stores to stock and it's not great for kids to play with.

What does that have to do with the movie? In what capacity does Hasbro having a crap production plan for various waves of SW toys reflect on the quality of the film?

I see your opinion about the movie being bad. You're welcome to it. I see your argument for why hasbro has crapped the bed in the toy department. I concur. I do not see the correlation between your opinion of the movie and the toy sales. There is no logic there.

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 Lance845 wrote:

What does that have to do with the movie? In what capacity does Hasbro having a crap production plan for various waves of SW toys reflect on the quality of the film?


Well, you made it out like the purpose of the movie was to be childrens' entertainment and sell toys. So if the end goal was to 'sell toys to kids', well... it failed harder than the others did by a long shot.

Again, much of that lies on Hasbro because a lot of those toys don't look fun at all.

Star Wars undeniably made a TON of money opening weekend. And it's always going to. Every movie is. Star Wars is big, but objectively it is bad in terms of plot. Like, it's awful.

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Objective Fact: Starwars is for Kids. George Lucas has said it from day 1. Also Objective Fact: Lucas took a cut from his directors pay to get merch rights because he wanted to sell crap for kids.

Ipso facto - Starwars is for kids and designed as a vehicle for selling merch to children.

If at any point you feel like SW has become dumb or childish you are forgetting what SW is.

I agree with your assessment on hasbros recent production plan. I disagree with your assessment of the movie. My favorite starwars in order are RotJ (I know Empire is better but I like Jedi More), Empire, TLJ, TFA, ANH, and all the prequels are in the same dumpster fire.

TLJ beats TFA because I am so glad they made a clean break from all of SW past bull crap.


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 Lance845 wrote:


If at any point you feel like SW has become dumb or childish you are forgetting what SW is.


Oh, I've felt that way since 'Greedo shot first'.

And sadly, back then the movies were still better written than they are now. TLJ is poorly written, and an outright grab-ass version of Star Wars. It's what I would expect if a bunch of hipsters acquired random Star Wars figures and had seen the movies a couple of times and read a few wiki articles.

I believe people are trying too hard to forgive the flaws in these movies because 'muh female lead' (the one with all the personality of a cardboard cutout).

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Yeah, Cause Luke Skywalker had TONS of personality in ANH.

I believe Reys search for her parents. A lot more then I believe Lukes upset at Obiwan turning into a pile of robes. (Can anyone actually explain what happened there btw?)


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 Lance845 wrote:
Yeah, Cause Luke Skywalker had TONS of personality in ANH.


He had heaps more than Rey, and actually had a journey to discover his powers instead of being a lazily-written Mary Sue. Rey. Is. Trash.

 Lance845 wrote:
I believe Reys search for her parents. A lot more then I believe Lukes upset at Obiwan turning into a pile of robes. (Can anyone actually explain what happened there btw?)


If you can't believe Obi-Wan turning into a spectral Force entity, you should be disgusted by the end of TLJ. If you're going to make arguments for that heap of feces, be consistent in your gripes.

And her parents? "LOL F you they were nothing" is laziness at its writing. That's what I expect from a teenager writing fanfiction in a trapper-keeper, not a writer with a career in Hollywood.

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