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I really like how now three armies introduced post-Primaris have SC, while so called ""poster boys"" still have zero and every single astartes SC box in existence consist of squatmarines. I wonder what mental gymnastics FUD brigade will invent this time to explain how making new range really inaccessible (due to at best average rules, very high price of character models, and the fact every single starter they were in was much less desirable dual one) somehow ""proves"" squatting of SM line, for real this time?

Anyway, I really don't get why BA and DW were put in 'higher' price bracket. Not only savings in both were not that spectacular, most of the savings are more than covered by HQ model you only need one of at best, if not zero, because neither is really optimal for their army. Did someone really spam Baals or Dreads to make these SC that appealing?
   
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I have to disagree with Captain Artemis in the DW... I have bought like 12 of this model (cause his armour is ornate, from ebay and I bought like 3 or 4 death masque box sets when they where a thing) with head conversions, weapon conversion and adding Jump packs on some is the best HQ DW model ever (easy to convert, change leg position, shoulder pad etc and is versatile). All my captains have his armour (conversion of him). He is a phenomenal model (personal opinion). His actual rules are crap but he is an awesome conversion model for a DW HQ

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 Galas wrote:
65€ boxes going to 80€ boxes... that really hurts, yeah.

I personally think GW is shooting themselves in the foot with this move but well see.

65€ is closer to 50€ than to 100€ but 80€ isn't, and thats how most people will see it.


I agree. Where I live they are going up due to currency fluctuation and this is added on top. At this point I see no reason to buy any of the SC unless I am starting a new army and want to save that 5 pound off the HQ.

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 Irbis wrote:
Anyway, I really don't get why BA and DW were put in 'higher' price bracket. Not only savings in both were not that spectacular, most of the savings are more than covered by HQ model you only need one of at best, if not zero, because neither is really optimal for their army. Did someone really spam Baals or Dreads to make these SC that appealing?


They got upgrade sprues 'on top' of the minis so making the 'better' value than the vanilla space marines, it looks like GW is now assigning a £5 value to that

 
   
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I've not read the whole thread, I just wanted to mention I was going to order several SC boxes before the price rise. It seems my prefered suppliers no longer have them on their websites. Anyone else found this?
   
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 laam999 wrote:
I've not read the whole thread, I just wanted to mention I was going to order several SC boxes before the price rise. It seems my prefered suppliers no longer have them on their websites. Anyone else found this?


Depending on the background behind this GW might already be charging distributors an increased rate for supply in advance of the price rise for the public. So 3rd parties might well have to adjust their own prices, especially if they don't currently hold stock.

I just did a quick check on the Tyranids SC box and ElementGames, FirestormGames and WaylandGames all had them in stock/listed at their original £50 RRP and accompanying discount.

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a number of 3rd party suppliers have posted on facebook that they can only order one box per week of any of these until the price rise hits,

so unless they have stock in hand I see lots of them going OOS as people dash to get things before the price rise

 
   
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Much as it pains me and I want to grab another Mawlock/Trygon kit from A Tyranid SC box I'll have to miss out the last grab madness. I've spent my hobby budget for the month and really want to focus on getting my Daughters of Khaine functional and done.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Anyway, I really don't get why BA and DW were put in 'higher' price bracket. Not only savings in both were not that spectacular, most of the savings are more than covered by HQ model you only need one of at best, if not zero, because neither is really optimal for their army. Did someone really spam Baals or Dreads to make these SC that appealing?

They got upgrade sprues 'on top' of the minis so making the 'better' value than the vanilla space marines, it looks like GW is now assigning a £5 value to that

Um, BA box has zero upgrade sprues in it. It's all native BA units. DW does have one, for dread, and I really hope it's not the justification (though seeing DW treatment in 8th, it might well be). What drawn me to DW was the fact GW was willing to throw in cool upgrade to unit look for relatively little, adding small neat bonus to each purchase. Why they reverse it now (to often stupid degree, see IF box having one less unit thanks to three piddly tiny upgrade frames) I have no idea

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I have to disagree with Captain Artemis in the DW... I have bought like 12 of this model (cause his armour is ornate, from ebay and I bought like 3 or 4 death masque box sets when they where a thing) with head conversions, weapon conversion and adding Jump packs on some is the best HQ DW model ever (easy to convert, change leg position, shoulder pad etc and is versatile). All my captains have his armour (conversion of him). He is a phenomenal model (personal opinion). His actual rules are crap but he is an awesome conversion model for a DW HQ

Fair enough, though you're not buying Artemis, you're grabbing conversion bits. And, to be honest, besides his special combi-flamer (in 8th edition?) and set of running legs, there is little you couldn't replicate with standard DW bits. I'd probably picked up a box of sternguard or vanguard vets instead to not end up with identical minis, but yeah, he is nice and I can see the appeal...
   
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The current paint pot is better than the Mk3 and Mk4 paint pots...Mk3 screwtops (see photo) dried out within weeks of opening...and within months even if you never opened it.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Anyway, I really don't get why BA and DW were put in 'higher' price bracket. Not only savings in both were not that spectacular, most of the savings are more than covered by HQ model you only need one of at best, if not zero, because neither is really optimal for their army. Did someone really spam Baals or Dreads to make these SC that appealing?


They got upgrade sprues 'on top' of the minis so making the 'better' value than the vanilla space marines, it looks like GW is now assigning a £5 value to that


Or they could just put the ultramarines sprue into the generic ones instead.
   
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Yeah I have loads with the hard black plastic flip top still liquid

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 Crimson Devil wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Techpriestsupport wrote:
This is why people who download gw books have no reason to feel ashamed.

Taking something you haven't paid for isn't any less wrong just because you think it's too expensive to pay for...


To be fair, 40k is very affordable if you steal it.


At what gw wants for minis they can't whine about people not buying books. A lot of mini game makers make the rules available as free pdfs because they make most money off minis. But most mini game makers donct give crack dealers someone to look down on either.

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 Techpriestsupport wrote:

At what gw wants for minis they can't whine about people not buying books.

That's not how copyright works. Selling an expensive thing doesn't invalidate the owner's intellectual property rights on a different thing.






 
   
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In regards to the spreadsheet image - the spreadsheet I received from my rep includes the Chaos SM, Drukhari, and Craftworlds.

Each of them move to 90$ US.

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stormboy wrote:
In regards to the spreadsheet image - the spreadsheet I received from my rep includes the Chaos SM, Drukhari, and Craftworlds.

Each of them move to 90$ US.

So the price shifts to $90 for the items marked at 55GBP and $95 for the items marked at 60GBP?
   
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Wow, I did a straight conversion from pound to dollar and didn’t realize there was an overhead GW was adding to their prices for the US. No wonder I’ve always felt like the prices ought to be about 20% cheaper than I’m paying - if I was in the UK I would be.

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 Stormonu wrote:
Wow, I did a straight conversion from pound to dollar and didn’t realize there was an overhead GW was adding to their prices for the US. No wonder I’ve always felt like the prices ought to be about 20% cheaper than I’m paying - if I was in the UK I would be.


Its not an added overhead. It's at an historic exchange rate.
   
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What good is an advance notice of a price raise if they make it impossible to actually buy the things before the raise.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:

The paint isn't going to dry out in the pot.
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Can you come and tell my pot of ceramite white that so it can go back to being liquid rather than the half formed jelly it was on the day I opened it.


Bruh. Ceramite White is a repeat offender. I am not sure I've gotten a pot yet that hasn't been way, way too thick.
   
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 Stormonu wrote:
Wow, I did a straight conversion from pound to dollar and didn’t realize there was an overhead GW was adding to their prices for the US. No wonder I’ve always felt like the prices ought to be about 20% cheaper than I’m paying - if I was in the UK I would be.


Yup, don't forget that US has tax applied after the fact, while most other places have it baked into the price. Its often cheaper for me to order from a British or Polish store, have it sent to a friend/family, and have them ship it to me than it is to buy at the US price.

Assuming the max allowed GW discount, I think the current price of the SC sets drops to 72usd with free shipping and no tax (ebay), while ordering from somewhere overseas and having it shipped to me by a friend is 50usd after conversion + the cost to have the friend ship it. The 20 full dollars saved per pack usually more than offsets the postage.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
What good is an advance notice of a price raise if they make it impossible to actually buy the things before the raise.


This. The place I like to buy from isn't selling the start collecting boxes any more. I assume they'll be back once the price has gone up, but that isn't useful in the meantime!
   
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Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Everything gets more expensive every year. I am surprised it is only limited to these few things. I get a pay rise every year, things increase in price every year (inflation and cost of living in the modern age). It balances out (if not is ebay etc).

The inflation level in europe is below 2 % ... come on stop spouting bs.
   
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Check the previous annual and half year reports and GW spells it all out. They seek a 3% increase of the price of items sold. So if new releases make up 30% of sales then to get an average price of 3% higher than last year, they need to price the new stuff at 10% higher than a similar product from last year.

But what happens if Start Collecting is super popular and ends up shifting the ratios? What happens if something priced 10% higher only sells at 25% of total sales? Then they only have an average increase of 2.5%. So if they want to hit their targets for the average price of their products, they'll increase the start collecting sets.

And since they know exactly how many of each sold (we do not) they can tune them all to different price points to both hit their pricing targets as well as to maximise revenue.

Now what they really should do is look at why the Start Collecting are so popular and then use the answer to that question to reevaluate their pricing model and goals for average price per product.

If the goal is to protect margins and maximize return on capital then getting revenue at the low marginal cost of an existing designed sprue is something that should be encouraged rather than discouraged through price hikes. The answer to Start Collectings being popular is to make more of them and turn existing dead sprues into desirable items.

Instead of trying to maintain and artificial price increase of 3% per year, they should concentrate on their margins and return on capital and encourage people to buy more and more of their existing kits. The design, development and tooling costs for these are already covered and each new sprue sold is at the best possible return. Discouraging this through price hikes is a bad idea.

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WhiteDog wrote:
Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Everything gets more expensive every year. I am surprised it is only limited to these few things. I get a pay rise every year, things increase in price every year (inflation and cost of living in the modern age). It balances out (if not is ebay etc).

The inflation level in europe is below 2 % ... come on stop spouting bs.

1) That is yearly raise. When was last time SC set price was raised? 2) That is average raise. So even with 2% inflation some things might actually get less expensive while others might jump up 20%. So, yeah, two out of two wrong, very badly at that. There are arguments against GW price raise but the above isn't one, not in the slightest...
   
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 Irbis wrote:
WhiteDog wrote:
Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Everything gets more expensive every year. I am surprised it is only limited to these few things. I get a pay rise every year, things increase in price every year (inflation and cost of living in the modern age). It balances out (if not is ebay etc).

The inflation level in europe is below 2 % ... come on stop spouting bs.

1) That is yearly raise. When was last time SC set price was raised? 2) That is average raise. So even with 2% inflation some things might actually get less expensive while others might jump up 20%. So, yeah, two out of two wrong, very badly at that. There are arguments against GW price raise but the above isn't one, not in the slightest...


A lot of people don’t get a pay raise every year, and yeah I got that poor people aren’t allowed to have nice things or whatever the justification is to out of hobbling, but trying to justify a price hike on product that has a significant return already with the idea that everything gets more expensive every year, even labor, is wrong since labor lags badly behind inflation
   
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stratigo wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
WhiteDog wrote:
Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Everything gets more expensive every year. I am surprised it is only limited to these few things. I get a pay rise every year, things increase in price every year (inflation and cost of living in the modern age). It balances out (if not is ebay etc).

The inflation level in europe is below 2 % ... come on stop spouting bs.

1) That is yearly raise. When was last time SC set price was raised? 2) That is average raise. So even with 2% inflation some things might actually get less expensive while others might jump up 20%. So, yeah, two out of two wrong, very badly at that. There are arguments against GW price raise but the above isn't one, not in the slightest...


A lot of people don’t get a pay raise every year, and yeah I got that poor people aren’t allowed to have nice things or whatever the justification is to out of hobbling, but trying to justify a price hike on product that has a significant return already with the idea that everything gets more expensive every year, even labor, is wrong since labor lags badly behind inflation


Whilst a lot of people don’t get a pay raise each year, the bulk of the staff working in the Games Workshop. factory are likely to be earning the UK minimum wage which is receiving a raise of 4.9% in April of this year. It also increased by 4.4% last year. Since 2012 the minimum wage has increased by 32.6%. This is potentially a big labour increase for GW factories.

The UK minimum wage is not a lot of money but is seeing significant, annual increases to make it an amount people can actually afford to live on.
   
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Also, it is irrelevant whether people get a pay rise.

Inflation is still 2% each year.
Inflation doesn’t stop cos oh wait, not everyone got a pay rise.
That’s the employers at fault (and it isn’t their fault, they can’t just get money from nowhere sometimes). And why would they unless national minimums go up..


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The thing I don’t get is people always say, they shouldn’t put the prices up on these ones or those ones as they already made back the mold costs.
Everything stays in line for GW roughly, so they won’t just put all the Seraphon kits down in price as they are old, but all the newer stuff go up.
It’d be a death sentence for new stuff compared..

Though I do think older stuff should go out on sale and such, when it is being replaced or what not. (Though see why they don’t. A it being premium product as a hobby, and B if a kit had a new version out and the old ones went cheap, who would buy the newer sculpts..)


I really don’t like higher prices, and all in all it will mean I buy less from them the more it happens, but I can’t argue with the times..

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Just look at other prices : inflation result in slow and general increases in prices in a non-homogeneous manner because compagnies just doesn't want to repercute totally and systematically the evolution of production cost on their price due to the simple fact that it might badly impact the demand for their products. Only in specific goods, like for exemple energy, you see this kind of publicized, important and controlled raise in price (specifically at the beginning of the year) : GW just can do whatever it want with its prices because it has complete monopoly over its franchise. Heck frozenwaste just pointed out above why is it that they increased their price, it's not because their production cost increased due to inflation ...

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