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Instead of the Redemptor, the kit has 5 additional Intercessors (so a full 10-man kit instead of T&C's 5-man). I'll be passing on this since I already have the SW half of T&C. The Tsons one is interesting, although putting Ahriman in it means nobody is going to want more than one unless the price point is really good. Speaking of which, do we know what the price point of these will be (SC boxes vary a little these days).

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It they instead had a hellblaster sprue instead of a second Intercessor one, I'd buy it right away. I'm admittedly not looking to build an optimized army for this edition but rather just to mix and match a few figs for fun.

   
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hellblasters would make it swerve too far into the ehavy support grouping for a SC box. more useful maybe but.. I think it'd be a solid thing to buy WITH KNF actually. combine this with KNF and you have 3 sqauds of intercessors. 1 squad of hellblasters, a wolf lord, a battle leader and 3 agressors. not the best army but a very solid foundation to build from.

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I got my Executioners at the weekend. It's a fairly difficult kit to assemble and the new top doesn't help. There are these little wedge-shaped pieces that go in where the side sponsons go, and they are not a good fit.
   
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Mandragola wrote:
I got my Executioners at the weekend. It's a fairly difficult kit to assemble and the new top doesn't help. There are these little wedge-shaped pieces that go in where the side sponsons go, and they are not a good fit.


At first I thought you were talking about the Leman Russ executioner and for a moment was confused. It just now occurred to me that there are two Imperial battle tanks now with this designation.

I would really like if it GW would stop doing this. It's one thing to have the same unit name used in completely disparate armies (i.e. Drukhari Reavers vs. Space Marine Reavers), but having stuff like multiple battle tanks called executioners and primaris rhinos (which can't transport primaris marines), Vanguard Space Marines and "vanguard" Space Marines, etc. is starting to get really irritating.

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Sorry for the confusion. I thought it would be pretty clear since this is a Primaris thread.

Your wider point is very true. The Primaris rhino that can't transport Primaris marines is my favourite one of these. I hadn't thought of the vanguard vets thing.

Primaris Reivers are spelled differently to the many other kinds of reavers kicking around the 40k universe. And they are awful, so they don't actually exist in any meaningful way. I hate the concept of them though, and the hilarious suggestion that a marine should be scary just because he has a silly hat on.
   
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Oh the confusion wasn't on you, no worries. I should have figured it out.

But when I saw "executioner" the first thing that came to my mind was the model/unit that has been in the game for years already (and also is a tank with sponsons that are kind of odd in terms of how they fit on the hull) - it's totally on GW that it made me do a double-take. I just took the opportunity to use your post to highlight why I think this is an issue (however minor) and vent a bit about it. I wouldn't mind so much if they wouldn't keep on doing this.

There are so many words in the English language that they really don't need to be rehashing stuff like this.

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“Executioner” seems to be the name that GW (or the Imperium) gives to its tanks that have a really big plasma gun on them. So you also have the predator executioner https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Deimos-Pattern-Predator-Executioner, for example.

So in this case it’s arguably a consistent description or classification, rather than just a duplication. This doesn’t quite work if you stick a really big laser on your repulsor instead, of course, but it means they don’t have to create a new datasheet.
   
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Fair enough - but they really seem to be selling the executioner on that big laser canon it has; I forgot it had the plasma option.

It should have a different appellation for the laser canon config, IMHO.

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 ZergSmasher wrote:
The Tsons one is interesting, although putting Ahriman in it means nobody is going to want more than one

Except not really, if you downgrade the bling a bit using spare bits from rubrics, presto, instant foot or disc exalted sorcerer. I'd even say it's the troops which will be tougher second sale than the HQ model, especially for new players...

 Kawauso wrote:
I would really like if it GW would stop doing this. It's one thing to have the same unit name used in completely disparate armies (i.e. Drukhari Reavers vs. Space Marine Reavers), but having stuff like multiple battle tanks called executioners and primaris rhinos (which can't transport primaris marines), Vanguard Space Marines and "vanguard" Space Marines, etc. is starting to get really irritating.

Except SM ones are Reivers But yeah, rest of these examples could use a bit more creativity.
   
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 Kawauso wrote:

I would really like if it GW would stop doing this. It's one thing to have the same unit name used in completely disparate armies (i.e. Drukhari Reavers vs. Space Marine Reavers), but having stuff like multiple battle tanks called executioners and primaris rhinos (which can't transport primaris marines), Vanguard Space Marines and "vanguard" Space Marines, etc. is starting to get really irritating.

Any confusion between Primaris and not-Primaris units will likely go away with the next codex anyway, so there's that...

   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Kawauso wrote:

I would really like if it GW would stop doing this. It's one thing to have the same unit name used in completely disparate armies (i.e. Drukhari Reavers vs. Space Marine Reavers), but having stuff like multiple battle tanks called executioners and primaris rhinos (which can't transport primaris marines), Vanguard Space Marines and "vanguard" Space Marines, etc. is starting to get really irritating.

Any confusion between Primaris and not-Primaris units will likely go away with the next codex anyway, so there's that...


I sincerly doubt it.

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Mandragola wrote:
I got my Executioners at the weekend. It's a fairly difficult kit to assemble and the new top doesn't help. There are these little wedge-shaped pieces that go in where the side sponsons go, and they are not a good fit.


Mine fit in just fine. I glued them to the top panel and then put the entire top panel on, and it slid together happily. Then I had to pry the front open since I forgot the hull hb mount...

 Kawauso wrote:
Fair enough - but they really seem to be selling the executioner on that big laser canon it has; I forgot it had the plasma option.

It should have a different appellation for the laser canon config, IMHO.


Annihilator would be twins lascannon, to probably closer to Destroyer, but that shares with a guard tank as well.

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Google anime mecha from the 60s to the 80s and try not to see a bunch of multi color space marines. Most have large shoulders and flared legs.
Giant robots from Mazinger, Gundam (especially the Zaku) and even Macross. You can see where the space marine has its roots.


There was an article somewhere (a GW article, though - that or an interview with Bryan Ansell) where it was discussed that they wanted a visual profile that was distinct, and that going with that, they based the Space Marine design off the Chaos Warrior from WHFB. Think "Slambo" (original, of course). This is long before 40k Chaos was a thing, naturally...

   
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Ok, I get the whole lots of Primaris Lieutenants gag, but what’s with the “Left”tenents thing?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Ok, I get the whole lots of Primaris Lieutenants gag, but what’s with the “Left”tenents thing?

I think mods altered the spelling in the title so that Americans would say it properly.

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 AduroT wrote:
Ok, I get the whole lots of Primaris Lieutenants gag, but what’s with the “Left”tenents thing?

A reference to Lieutenant Mira and captain Titus' accent maybe ?
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Ok, I get the whole lots of Primaris Lieutenants gag, but what’s with the “Left”tenents thing?

Brits pronounce "Lieutenant" as Leftenant.
See the teaser video and their vice-versa corrections.

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 CoreCommander wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Ok, I get the whole lots of Primaris Lieutenants gag, but what’s with the “Left”tenents thing?

A reference to Lieutenant Mira and captain Titus' accent maybe ?


Mira was specificly the correct pronounciation. GW is a British company...
when in Rome.

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Isn't Lievtenant (yes, with a "V") and antiquated French word meaning "replacement"? As-is the replacement for a Captain if they are killed in battle?
And the Brits began pronouncing it Lef-tenant around the same time Americans subbed the V for a U just to spite the Brits?
I think I read that somewhere, but I'm not sure

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Well, according to Wikipedia:

Etymology
The word lieutenant derives from French; the lieu meaning "place" as in a position (cf. in lieu of); and tenant meaning "holding" as in "holding a position"; thus a "lieutenant" is a placeholder for a superior, during their absence (compare the Latin locum tenens).

In the 19th century, British writers who considered this word either an imposition on the English language, or difficult for common soldiers and sailors, argued for it to be replaced by the calque "steadholder". However, their efforts failed, and the French word is still used, along with its many variations (e.g. lieutenant colonel, lieutenant general, lieutenant commander, flight lieutenant, second lieutenant and many non-English language examples), in both the Old and the New World.[citation needed]

Pronunciation
Pronunciation of lieutenant is generally split between the forms /lɛfˈtɛnənt/ (About this soundlisten) lef-TEN-ənt and /luːˈtɛnənt/ (About this soundlisten) loo-TEN-ənt, with the former generally associated with the armies of British Commonwealth countries and the Republic of Ireland; and the latter generally associated with anyone from the United States or other Western Hemisphere countries.[2] The early history of the pronunciation is unclear; Middle English spellings suggest that the /luː-/ and /lɛf-/ pronunciations may have existed even then.[3] The rare Old French variant spelling luef for Modern French lieu ('place') supports the suggestion that a final [u] of the Old French word was in certain environments perceived as an [f].[3] Furthermore, in Latin, the lingua franca of the era, the letter v is used for both you and v.

In Royal Naval tradition—and other English-speaking navies outside the United States—a reduced pronunciation /ləˈtɛnənt/ (About this soundlisten) is used. This is not recognised as current by recent editions of the OED (although the RN pronunciation was included in editions of OED up until the 1970s).


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 Galef wrote:
Isn't Lievtenant (yes, with a "V") and antiquated French word meaning "replacement"? As-is the replacement for a Captain if they are killed in battle?
And the Brits began pronouncing it Lef-tenant around the same time Americans subbed the V for a U just to spite the Brits?
I think I read that somewhere, but I'm not sure

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It is a bit more complicated than that (the Latin V was pronounced like the letter U or W anyway). And the Lieu usage predates America as a country. The Brits likely used the Left usage to spite the French.

At any rate, this was discussed at length a few pages back.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Galef wrote:
Isn't Lievtenant (yes, with a "V") and antiquated French word meaning "replacement"? As-is the replacement for a Captain if they are killed in battle?
And the Brits began pronouncing it Lef-tenant around the same time Americans subbed the V for a U just to spite the Brits?
I think I read that somewhere, but I'm not sure

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It is a bit more complicated than that. And the Lieu usage predates America as a country. The Brits likely used the Left usage to spite the French.

At any rate, this was discussed at length a few pages back.


Is Luft an abbreviation of lef-tenant? It would mean Luft Huron then a replacement Huron? Which could be another joke name for 40K like:
Vulcan Hes’tan= Vulcan He’s tan (reference to skin color)
Mag Ur Thrakka = Margret Thacher
Many others out there.

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 Theophony wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Galef wrote:
Isn't Lievtenant (yes, with a "V") and antiquated French word meaning "replacement"? As-is the replacement for a Captain if they are killed in battle?
And the Brits began pronouncing it Lef-tenant around the same time Americans subbed the V for a U just to spite the Brits?
I think I read that somewhere, but I'm not sure

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It is a bit more complicated than that. And the Lieu usage predates America as a country. The Brits likely used the Left usage to spite the French.

At any rate, this was discussed at length a few pages back.


Is Luft an abbreviation of lef-tenant? It would mean Luft Huron then a replacement Huron? Which could be another joke name for 40K like:
Vulcan Hes’tan= Vulcan He’s tan (reference to skin color)
Mag Ur Thrakka = Margret Thacher
Many others out there.


No, because it’s Lugft, not Luft, and the abbreviation of Lieutenant (we don’t spell it leftenant) is Lt.
   
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So... does discussing the etymology of a 300 year old word count as news or is it a rumor? I'm just curious.

   
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 axisofentropy wrote:
best thread derails I've seen on dakka


It was sincerely not my intent to derail. Someone was being mistaken and I offered them illumination.

Re: Inflation - a 10 man squad is £20-30 today. 75p (1987 price) x 10 figures x (inflation rate 2.76) = £20.70 Remembering that VAT (unavoidable tax) is actually higher now @20% than the 15% rate it was in 1987, so just under £22 in current money.

Anyway, looking forward to finding out whatever it is hidden behind the blurry pics in Primaris Lt. News. My guess is a GW/Sanrio tie-in.



aggretsuko the Space Marine version? Instead of singing death metal the cute little animal in power armour goes around saying "Blood for the Blood God" or "For the Emperor!"... that could be kinda neat honestly.

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CATS- All your base are belong to us.
CATS- You are on the way to destruction.
Captain -What you say?
CATS- You have no chance to survive make your time.
CATS HA HA HA!!

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 warboss wrote:
So... does discussing the etymology of a 300 year old word count as news or is it a rumor? I'm just curious.
It does not, other than the fact the video made a point to pronounce it a way they have not pronounced it before.

At any rate, I wonder when we are going to get any more information on this new release. When is the two-year anniversary of the SM codex?

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 warboss wrote:
So... does discussing the etymology of a 300 year old word count as news or is it a rumor? I'm just curious.
It does not, other than the fact the video made a point to pronounce it a way they have not pronounced it before.

At any rate, I wonder when we are going to get any more information on this new release. When is the two-year anniversary of the SM codex?


Pretty sure Dark Imperium came out in June 2 years ago. We should either be upon the 2 year anniversary of the SM Codex or past it already as it was the first to be released.

Thing is, this week is a bunch of random (though awaited) preorders, and then they promised Warcry this month, and you know that they're going to hype that quite a bit more before it comes out. There's two more warbands that they haven't revealed yet, after all.

If Space Marines are going to get something new, it'll likely be at the end of June or into August.
   
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 Hanskrampf wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Ok, I get the whole lots of Primaris Lieutenants gag, but what’s with the “Left”tenents thing?

Brits pronounce "Lieutenant" as Leftenant.
See the teaser video and their vice-versa corrections.


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Guys, let's stick to the topic please.

As for the pronunciation, it was polled and the Primaris Lieutenant has decreed that..

Thanks for voting in this Pronunciation Poll, everyone - with your input, I can now confirm it's pronounced "Primaris Lieutenant".
All other pronunciations are heresy.

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