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 Stevefamine wrote:
@overread

So I quit played Gamesworkshop games from around 2013-2019 and went full into Dungeons and Dragons and other mini games.

I think its more saturation and more companies that can make a name for themselves instead of only GW/Only the big companies. Who knows honestly - but I have a good feeling about it. I know for a fact that D&D exploded in players

If GW were smart they would partner with D&D or Paizo and make miniatures of various Races/classes for the D&D crowd. I know some minis are useful as D&D, but there are a lot of race/class combinations that simply aren't there. This would be another way to get people into the stores. Hell, they could even sale just D&D core starter packs with your elf, dwarf, human, gnome, halfling, etc... basically the Lord of the Rings Fellowship set, but have different weapon options on the sprue so you can customize your hero a bit. Throw in some of those mini 5ml paint points that are in the cheap plastic pill pop lids, maybe all contrast paints and a brush, and boom, you got a quick easy way to grab a larger market base.

They could even market it as their warhammer quest so as not to step on any toes if they don't get the license, but make it very obvious it is meant for D&D.

Overread wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
This seems to have went off the rails in terms of the main topic - now it's back where it's supposed to be.

It only goes up from here. Nerd culture and Miniatures popularity is on the rise and has been for the past ten or so years. I dislike GOT - but I enjoy that someone took the gamble to make a minis game out of it

Aye but I suspect it might be like the Lord of the Rings bubble - that in once the series is gone the miniature firms will see a sharp drop off in casual customers. Though I don't think it will be as sharp a decline and problem as GW had with the Lord of the Rings line; its still a big risk for many franchises that once the media is gone the merchandise doesn't retain its high sales rate. Provided the companies are ready for that they can soak it and push through; if not then it can sink them.

Starwars and a very few others are robust enough to last even without new films, but in general that is the extreme exception

My concern too, also one of the reasons that I'm avoiding that game

Dynas wrote:If GW were smart they would partner with D&D or Paizo and make miniatures of various Races/classes for the D&D crowd. I know some minis are useful as D&D, but there are a lot of race/class combinations that simply aren't there. This would be another way to get people into the stores. Hell, they could even sale just D&D core starter packs with your elf, dwarf, human, gnome, halfling, etc... basically the Lord of the Rings Fellowship set, but have different weapon options on the sprue so you can customize your hero a bit. Throw in some of those mini 5ml paint points that are in the cheap plastic pill pop lids, maybe all contrast paints and a brush, and boom, you got a quick easy way to grab a larger market base.

They could even market it as their warhammer quest so as not to step on any toes if they don't get the license, but make it very obvious it is meant for D&D.

IIRC that's how GW started out. It's a market that's already served by Wizkids and Reaper though.
In my experience D&D players don't care or know enough about miniatures to want to pay the extra money for GW quality. To give you an idea: the standard of painting on D&D pages is below what we would consider tabletop at it's best. Mini's are really just a nice accessory in D&D.

^This.

I follow some gaming orientated 3D printing FB groups, and the frequency that filament printed, rough as feth, models get posted that the printer is genuinely really happy with, the (rarely) painted models in the potato style and questions that any Wargamer would consider utterly elementary are posted is a little heartbreaking.

Yeah, D&D people aren't going to pay way more for miniatures they have to assemble and that have tons of details they aren't going to paint anyway.

I think if GW were smart, they'd slow down a little on the release of armies and new games, and do a few games that are more like the original Warhammer Quest, in that they could make use of a lot of the existing range of miniatures to expand the game. For the newer boxed games, they are either disposable in that you're meant to buy them mostly for the miniatures, play through them once and be done with them. Or they want you to buy very expensive expansions. But if you could "expand" warhammer quest silver tower buy purchasing a bunch of existing, say, goblin miniatures, they'd get a bunch of sales without the cost of creating new miniatures. And some number of people people would decide to start an army of goblins (or whatever) since they already bought a bunch of them to use as adversaries in Warhammer Quest. I know this because it's the only reason I started playing Warhammer Fantasy in the first place, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I get that there is a downside with that strategy. It doesn't generate as many sales to existing customers if they've already got all the goblins (or whatever) that they need. They probably didn't see a lot of miniatures sold for Kill Team because most existing players had enough stuff already to play. Presumably why the focus of WarCry is on new stuff that only exists in Warcry. But honestly, I know a lot of people started kill teams for factions they were kind of interested in but never started full armies of. And that may eventually lead to full armies of them. And I know some people who bought their first GW miniatures to start a kill team because it was an easier and less intimidating way to start than to jump into 40k.

I got into WHFB thanks to Warhammer Quest too.