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It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just to mix things up a bit.
They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just mix things up a bit. They probably won't though, because can't damage that shiny plot armor that marines have.


Ghaz is gonna join the Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain club. You know this. According to Abaddon and the Swarmlord, there's punch and pie.

They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?


In the first PA, there was only Xenos, IIRC. Didn't they all lose, basically?

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just to mix things up a bit.
They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?

Does Chaos winning in Phoenix count? Although it's pretty sad if you only win because Imps weren't around and the writers also dropped the ball.

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pm713 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just to mix things up a bit.
They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?

Does Chaos winning in Phoenix count? Although it's pretty sad if you only win because Imps weren't around and the writers also dropped the ball.


That is both sad and funny. Remember the start of 8th, where chaos kicks the imperium hard in the proverbial groin and things were set up to be getting dire and worse?
Pepperidge farm remembers.

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/12/what-is-the-psychic-awakening/

Article titled 'What is the Psychic Awakening?'

Obviously after suffering near cripling casualties, and having your recruiting worlds overrun by daemons, the sensible thing for a Chapter to do is banzai into a Waaagh! in an attempt to kill Ghazghkull (which is clearly so unsucessful that they actually managaed to bring Makari back to life)...


I personally suspect that Ghaz just calls all grots Makari. Seeing how the original Makari had nothing to do with Ghaz (and in fact predates him), and was just a humble fungus seller trying to avoid getting his teef pulled by the Gretchin Mafia he was in debt to.

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 Unusual Suspect wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just mix things up a bit. They probably won't though, because can't damage that shiny plot armor that marines have.


Ghaz is gonna join the Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain club. You know this. According to Abaddon and the Swarmlord, there's punch and pie.

They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?


In the first PA, there was only Xenos, IIRC. Didn't they all lose, basically?

Not just Space Marines, but the Space Wolves. They're easily the worst written Chapter in the history of the game.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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I really hope Ghaz doesn't get his ass kicked by Ragnar 2nd (3rd when Russ returns) in command bore-off. I thoroughly expect to see the following chain of events;

1. Things look really bad for the Space Wolves, OMG too many Orks and Ghazzy is really big and tough. Much dire. So sad howl.
2. At the climax of 'battle A' Ghazzy beats Ragnar in single combat! O noes, the Imperium is fethed!
3. Ragnar survives, by some miracle and despite the very idea making no sense and is taken back to the Fortress of Solit....Russ.
4. Ragnar crosses the Rubicon (Mango) Primaris.
5. Ragnar comes back and get's revenge on Ghazzy in single combat, easily beating the foolish greenskin, who has to run, tail between his legs back to Gork and Mork.

This would be a poor and predictable story.

Hopefully things look real grim in the "final battle" and Ghazzy either;
1. Lets Ragnar live so he can have a better scrap later (before leaving) OR
2. Gets Deus Ex Machinork'd outta there at the last minute by Gork and Mork who decide they need his big green booty elsewhere.

It'd be a shame if the Primary Ork Warlord and supposed Prophet of the WAAAGGGHH is beat by a non-Primarch Marine who's not even the top dog in his respective Chapter. E - it would be so bad in fact that it would render any "bigger model = greater status = greater threat" entirely moot.

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so....

Over the course of the saga, every Warhammer 40,000 faction will gain access to new rules. So far, we’ve already seen a host of new army-wide abilities, build-your-own sub-faction rules, extra Stratagems, psychic powers** and more. The Aeldari, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids, Thousand Sons, Genestealer Cults, T’au Empire, Astra Militarum and a whole host of Space Marines Chapters have all seen new rules, and more are on the way.


Ad Mech, Knights (both kinds), Space Wolves, Orks and Daemons are confirmed supplements

Who is left according to the above statement: well

Custodes
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Sisters of Battle

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Also confirmation that orks are next.
Oh and marines too I guess.


Yeah it's not like we haven't had the official info on that for 1 month and about 2 weeks straight from GW

edit: W40k FB team replied to question that sisters are getting rules in PA. So there goes theory that the start box was sister's PA part. Or the FB team writer was in error

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Well, I am still confused if Harlequins are considered "done" as well.

Death Watch is also clearly still missing (and on the logo-list). Sisters of Silence aren't on the army-logo graphic.
   
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I think its Death Guard, Death Watch, Custodes, Necrons.

I can see Harlequins turning up in a book *if* they do a second wave/mini wave of models. Its going to be fundamentally... weird to have say "get your Harlequin rules... and uh, new Warp Spiders, lol". I think "you could play as Ynnari if you wanted" could well be it.

Sisters of Battle are in a similar spot. Yes their image is there. But they just got a new Codex and essentially a new range. Releasing a new must-buy supplement that will be released a few months later seems kind of dumb. Not unprecedented, but dumb.

To be fair though, Custodes+Sisters+Death Guard and Death Watch+Harlequins+Necrons seems like a story you could tell.
   
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Tyel wrote:
I think its Death Guard, Death Watch, Custodes, Necrons.

I can see Harlequins turning up in a book *if* they do a second wave/mini wave of models. Its going to be fundamentally... weird to have say "get your Harlequin rules... and uh, new Warp Spiders, lol". I think "you could play as Ynnari if you wanted" could well be it.

Sisters of Battle are in a similar spot. Yes their image is there. But they just got a new Codex and essentially a new range. Releasing a new must-buy supplement that will be released a few months later seems kind of dumb. Not unprecedented, but dumb.

To be fair though, Custodes+Sisters+Death Guard and Death Watch+Harlequins+Necrons seems like a story you could tell.


You don't need models to be in PA book. Look at tyranis, t-son's, grey knights etc for example

As for sisters W40k FB team said they can confirm sistes are getting rules in PA. And makes sense. The codex isn't clearly on same level as PA boosted factions(no custom orders etc) so either they get or they are at disadvantage. Would it have been nicer to have PA level in codex right away? Yes. But it's GW. They are going to charge money for it.

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 Strg Alt wrote:
I hope the orkz smash Santa's sled.

The sled is so fething stupid it's awesome.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
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tneva82 wrote:
You don't need models to be in PA book. Look at tyranis, t-son's, grey knights etc for example

As for sisters W40k FB team said they can confirm sistes are getting rules in PA. And makes sense. The codex isn't clearly on same level as PA boosted factions(no custom orders etc) so either they get or they are at disadvantage. Would it have been nicer to have PA level in codex right away? Yes. But it's GW. They are going to charge money for it.


If they said so I guess I'll believe them - but I'm not sure I'd go with your view that they are at a disadvantage without custom traits. We have just had PA5, and based on the leaks, almost all the custom trait combos are probably worse than taking an existing trait. Farsight Enclaves will probably be interesting - but thats a buff rather than a custom option. I feel this is likely to go double for Sisters, because their traits are very powerful. (It may, in turn, mean they get amazing custom traits, but I wouldn't bet a lot on that).

The issue with Harlequins is that they are not far off a Tempestus scale faction who already got the Tempestus treatment. I'm sure someone will bitterly disagree - but I feel there are not 6 meaningfully different ways to run Harlequins, so there are not really 6 meaningfully different chapters.

So I mean yeah, nothing stops a phoned in list of "custom" traits, where 2/3rds are just weaker versions of the existing traits, and say 6 Masque specific psychic powers and a few new stratagems. But I have... very little optimism that it will change the faction. Without new models I'm not getting that excited - there is only so much you can do with Troupes, Transports and Jetbikes. But maybe I lack imagination.
   
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Wasn't it Belial who hates Ghaz and tried really hard to kill him in one of the books? And Ghaz just toyed with him?

Really, Ghaz should be almost on the level of a primarch. The Beast in M32 was stronger than a primarch in combat (I think that was unrealistic, but whatever). Ragnar is pretty heroic and skilled even for a space marine, and has some pretty impressive plot armor, but he is not on the level of Ghaz if Ghaz is nearing Beast-levels of ork leadership which seems to be the implication of all the 8th edition comments about Orks.

   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just to mix things up a bit.
They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?

Does Chaos winning in Phoenix count? Although it's pretty sad if you only win because Imps weren't around and the writers also dropped the ball.


That is both sad and funny. Remember the start of 8th, where chaos kicks the imperium hard in the proverbial groin and things were set up to be getting dire and worse?
Pepperidge farm remembers.


Maybe for like 5 minutes that happened but Chaos has been getting kick up and down the street by a resurgent more powerful than ever Imperium with an Emperor 2 this time he's blue.

 
   
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 BrotherGecko wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just to mix things up a bit.
They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?

Does Chaos winning in Phoenix count? Although it's pretty sad if you only win because Imps weren't around and the writers also dropped the ball.


That is both sad and funny. Remember the start of 8th, where chaos kicks the imperium hard in the proverbial groin and things were set up to be getting dire and worse?
Pepperidge farm remembers.


Maybe for like 5 minutes that happened but Chaos has been getting kick up and down the street by a resurgent more powerful than ever Imperium with an Emperor 2 this time he's blue.


yeah having the Imperium split in two and half of it de facto lost is such a great victory. *eye roll* but the "Imperium never loses" brigade only counts a loss if Terra or Macragge burns.

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, I am still confused if Harlequins are considered "done" as well.


They got Ynnari rules so yes.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Right behind you.

 vipoid wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, I am still confused if Harlequins are considered "done" as well.


They got Ynnari rules so yes.

No, because the Ynnari were their own thing for these purposes.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, I am still confused if Harlequins are considered "done" as well.


They got Ynnari rules so yes.

No, because the Ynnari were their own thing for these purposes.


Feel free to tell GW that.

We know how much they appreciate and listen to feedback.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Tyel wrote:
I think its Death Guard, Death Watch, Custodes, Necrons.

I can see Harlequins turning up in a book *if* they do a second wave/mini wave of models. Its going to be fundamentally... weird to have say "get your Harlequin rules... and uh, new Warp Spiders, lol". I think "you could play as Ynnari if you wanted" could well be it.

Sisters of Battle are in a similar spot. Yes their image is there. But they just got a new Codex and essentially a new range. Releasing a new must-buy supplement that will be released a few months later seems kind of dumb. Not unprecedented, but dumb.

To be fair though, Custodes+Sisters+Death Guard and Death Watch+Harlequins+Necrons seems like a story you could tell.

I can see both of those combinations coming true. I wonder if the Ultramarines will be included in the first one and end the series.
Since Sisters of Silence were not in the Custodes codex and FW was never able to make the Talons of the Emperor codex will they get their own codex Astra Telepathica with supporting models or will they be included in a cache all Inquisition/ Imperial Agents codex? Will they get a rules update in a PA book or will their rules stay in the Index?
   
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Right behind you.

 vipoid wrote:

Feel free to tell GW that.

We know how much they appreciate and listen to feedback.

Surprisingly, I don't have to tell GW that:
Spoiler:



They ever so helpfully provided this!
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It would be pretty great if the orks did win, just to mix things up a bit.
They probably won't though. Has xenos ever won in PA? Or chaos for that matter?

Does Chaos winning in Phoenix count? Although it's pretty sad if you only win because Imps weren't around and the writers also dropped the ball.


That is both sad and funny. Remember the start of 8th, where chaos kicks the imperium hard in the proverbial groin and things were set up to be getting dire and worse?
Pepperidge farm remembers.


Maybe for like 5 minutes that happened but Chaos has been getting kick up and down the street by a resurgent more powerful than ever Imperium with an Emperor 2 this time he's blue.


yeah having the Imperium split in two and half of it de facto lost is such a great victory. *eye roll* but the "Imperium never loses" brigade only counts a loss if Terra or Macragge burns.


Name one major loss since the Imperium got split. Because it seems that despite the divide and the fall of Cadia, the Imperium is doing just fine.

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I'm pretty sure Chaos is still winning. The rift is wide open and anything CSM/Daemons/Cultists do will generally contribute to a)keeping it open and/or b) making it bigger. If Gork n Mork take more notice and fight(a lil less) with each other and more on the big crumpin, gak'll get worse further yet(I hope, cuz in the grim darkness of the far future...it always can get worse).

Remember, the Indomitus crusade was more about saving face and morale as anything actually strategic. Yes, Primaris kicked ass...and now the Imperium has some white blood cells to help with the infection, but stronger they are not...just not dead(yet).
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 vipoid wrote:

Feel free to tell GW that.

We know how much they appreciate and listen to feedback.

Surprisingly, I don't have to tell GW that:
Spoiler:



They ever so helpfully provided this!


And Ynnari provided new rules for Harlequins.

Therefore the chart has been satisfied.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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I bet Harli players feel so much better knowing that their needs have been sated by that first book.

   
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I wonder if the no character points in PA design came from them being done with a narrative PoV.

Not hard to see how Vigilus style campaign books and then the codex updates in PA books could get too complicated for tournaments. So you've got a limited set of match play rules, and events for that and then an expanded set of narrative play rules and separate events for that.

However as the marine chapter updates look more like matched play updates rather than narrative ones - and how big an impact marine chapters have had on the tournaments, there's been a design change to have PA books being matched play too.
   
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I was expecting for Ghaz to Hulk out and grow in size by sheer WAAAAGH energy instead of a hulk buster suit.


Why not both?

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