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Don't worry, with the votes you normally get both or in this case all three options anyway.

Besides this whale like generics. Blowhole that!

Yeah the votes are mostly to appease the Kicktraq hot list algorithm I'm sure they'll cycle back to some of these later.

The total has now passed the funding total for D&L2 and the Troll is added - 1 per backer. The Necromancer is next at €815k then the fountain at €825k.

Is that the reason why the Troll was a strange number 806697. I took it that the person the troll was modelled on was born 6th June 1997.

Yeah it's $981,103 converted to Euro

Can I just say, the content of this thread is so incredibly better than the content of the comments on the KS. It's a bun fight of fan boys with seemingly little interest in an actual hobby. It's crazy!

Being in the UK, I grabbed the town pledge with the plan of getting two villages. However, I'm very tempted to just get a single village at this stage. As many of you have said, I really need to go huge to make the buildings work, and with a single village with a core set as the base I can make 2-3 really good looking feature pieces and fill out the rest of the table with cheaper stuff.

I've got an MDF "laser model store" dungeon already - it's not the same quality, but it's better than all the alternatives I've seen.

I also finally had my D&L2 KS turn up this week - dam those stretch goals are big! I only went for dragons and sci-fi in that.

I feel like archon missed a trick by not making a castle core set.

Also, it really bugs me how uneven the value is between pledges and trade options. The sewers looks great, but I think using the core set and making my own floors with an extra pack of clips is a much better idea - you get roughly twice the volume for a little bit of extra work. The trade ins of a core set for two rooms is also annoying - as said before it's closer to 4 rooms not two!

As for core sets as the ground floor for buildings - several of the one tile walls look like they lend themselves to some Dremel action for ground floor windows...

Just on your last point the Fantasy core set tiles have different designs front and back unlike the new stuff which has the same design so where it looks like you could cut a window or door on one side of a fantasy tile the other side does not have the same detail so it won’t look right and will require some work with green stuff or plastic card but that’s only a problem though if you want detailed interiors if you don’t go for it.

I think I’ve given up on the idea of using the D&L 3 roofs the angle is just too shallow and the wall joint is clunky. I’m just going to scratch build roofs it’s cheaper but a lot more work.

Well that's annoying! Although green stuffing stone isn't too challenging, especially if I make a mold of the first one. Well, I'll have to wait an see. Even more reason to only get a single village!

MrPieChee wrote:
Can I just say, the content of this thread is so incredibly better than the content of the comments on the KS. It's a bun fight of fan boys with seemingly little interest in an actual hobby. It's crazy!

Don't blame the backers blame the formatting of Kickstarter. It is deliberately flat in order to act as a peanut gallery and nothing more. some people try to make intelligent points, they get drowned out most of the time.

MrPieChee wrote:

Being in the UK, I grabbed the town pledge with the plan of getting two villages. However, I'm very tempted to just get a single village at this stage. As many of you have said, I really need to go huge to make the buildings work, and with a single village with a core set as the base I can make 2-3 really good looking feature pieces and fill out the rest of the table with cheaper stuff.

I suggest you reconsider that. If you want the two villages pledge a village now and add a village in pledge manager, IIRC if you buy a town pledge you bought the town pledge, you can add pledges later but what you have bought you have bought, you don't get free to use pledge credit; at last this is what happened in all the previous Archon campaigns, they might have made some adjustments for UK buyers. Archon will refund the difference.

MrPieChee wrote:

I also finally had my D&L2 KS turn up this week - dam those stretch goals are big! I only went for dragons and sci-fi in that.

SF dedicate campaign is scheduled later this year.
The dragons are big too.

MrPieChee wrote:

I feel like archon missed a trick by not making a castle core set.

I agree that they should core-ize some sets. The priority is the Dwarven Mine, it doesnt synergise as well, with exception of mine to dungeon transitions and needs to be big. A core Castle should have additional features from the get go.

MrPieChee wrote:

Also, it really bugs me how uneven the value is between pledges and trade options. The sewers looks great, but I think using the core set and making my own floors with an extra pack of clips is a much better idea - you get roughly twice the volume for a little bit of extra work. The trade ins of a core set for two rooms is also annoying - as said before it's closer to 4 rooms not two!

Sewers are a Core set, you get about as much plastic as the Fantasy Core. It was only to be a room. The main draw here are the floors. Note that you can make a canal out of the sewers, just choose a lighter colour and paint differently, and many remark that the sewer walls make better generic dungeon walls. I see their point.

 DaveC wrote:
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I think I’ve given up on the idea of using the D&L 3 roofs the angle is just too shallow and the wall joint is clunky. I’m just going to scratch build roofs it’s cheaper but a lot more work.

Do you have any beyond the single tile square hip roof? Its a decent piece but it needs to be thoroughly trimmed to make it more a roof and less a piece of lego.

I use this for custom fantasy roofs:

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/Byggnadsmaterial/konstruktionspaneler/Auhagen-52228/se/modell_28487.html



This is Auhagen 52428 (catchy name!) or Auhagen 52228 (two pack of same product) at 100x200mm it is big and can be cut down to fit several roof sections of you are not wasteful. It is set for OO scale but you can ignore that.

Also a shout out for Auhagen 52220 which makes good wooden flooring for large upper storeys. Most other items in the range are no use, they are truescale so most slate roofs look way too neat and trim at 28mm scale, more like a chessboard than a roof.

I doubt we'll see any new Cores going forward, they're priced at 1/2 their "value" in Rooms for a reason, to draw you in and sell you Rooms. The Sewers were a bit of an accident because reviewers suggested more elements and a second sprue was tooled.

Found in the update some Fantasy Core and Fantasy Room sets with roofs. Yeah, I'm also a little iffy about it.

I do like the Cursed Cathedral as an outside building, including for 40K, although I dunno how tiled roofs would look. Guess I could use the preview roof tile to see, since a cathedral tiled roof would be gray...



Some random uses for the Fantasy Core Set. Display for miniatures, and trays for photographing multiples of multiple miniatures.

(Second edition clips have multi-story clips.)

 ced1106 wrote:

I do like the Cursed Cathedral as an outside building, including for 40K, although I dunno how tiled roofs would look. Guess I could use the preview roof tile to see, since a cathedral tiled roof would be gray...

40K requires flat roofs for most buildings so you can put ordnance on them, this would be as much an in-canon response as a pro-gamer one. Tiles are heretical waste unless a spire to edify the holy Imperium is wanted.

 ced1106 wrote:

Some random uses for the Fantasy Core Set. Display for miniatures, and trays for photographing multiples of multiple miniatures.

Nice content. It also highlights why the more I invest in terrain the more reasonable it is to invest in these:

https://www.renedra.co.uk/product-category/gaming-bases/round-bases-gaming-bases/

 Orlanth wrote:

MrPieChee wrote:

Being in the UK, I grabbed the town pledge with the plan of getting two villages. However, I'm very tempted to just get a single village at this stage. As many of you have said, I really need to go huge to make the buildings work, and with a single village with a core set as the base I can make 2-3 really good looking feature pieces and fill out the rest of the table with cheaper stuff.

I suggest you reconsider that. If you want the two villages pledge a village now and add a village in pledge manager, IIRC if you buy a town pledge you bought the town pledge, you can add pledges later but what you have bought you have bought, you don't get free to use pledge credit; at last this is what happened in all the previous Archon campaigns, they might have made some adjustments for UK buyers. Archon will refund the difference.

MrPieChee wrote:

Also, it really bugs me how uneven the value is between pledges and trade options. The sewers looks great, but I think using the core set and making my own floors with an extra pack of clips is a much better idea - you get roughly twice the volume for a little bit of extra work. The trade ins of a core set for two rooms is also annoying - as said before it's closer to 4 rooms not two!

Sewers are a Core set, you get about as much plastic as the Fantasy Core. It was only to be a room. The main draw here are the floors. Note that you can make a canal out of the sewers, just choose a lighter colour and paint differently, and many remark that the sewer walls make better generic dungeon walls. I see their point.

I was pretty sure that you got credit to split however you wanted in the pledge manager - I'll check with Archon.

The sewers have half the number of walls as the core set, and two less floor tiles - so a quarter less plastic. I don't think this would bother people with several core sets already, but for someone with none of the fantasy stuff it makes a difference.

Seeing the pictures of the roofs makes me really doubt them. It feels off that they don't even touch the edge of the buildings, although I can't put my finger on it. And that in turn makes me think again about how to go about building a few houses out of the tiles.

Mrs. GG and I prefer clear bases for our sci-fi gaming, we really like the versatility. But for some reason they just do not quite work for us the same way with our fantasy gaming. They just look somehow out of place. Of course that means we have little dirt mounds and grass growing around the feet of folks in the tavern and on our boats….

Maybe this KS will convince us to use different textured bases for our fantasy minis but right now we try to use the same temperate woodland base style on all of our fantasy pieces, including things like Goblins that are commonly found underground. We know a lot of folks use themed bases to reflect the character of the mini but we like the overall consistency we have with unifying bases when the pieces all hit the table together.

All that said, Archon will be missing a money maker in my opinion if they do not make sculpted bases available as an add-on now and later an item in their retail store. Once tooled, they should be able to easily compete with the current resin sculpted bases on the market.


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 Dolnikan wrote:
Seeing the pictures of the roofs makes me really doubt them. It feels off that they don't even touch the edge of the buildings, although I can't put my finger on it. And that in turn makes me think again about how to go about building a few houses out of the tiles.

The picture above where it looks like the roof does not touch the edge is misleading because they have not put the roof trim pieces on.

A few quick updates - funding now at €887k which means Tavern part 3 and the Gravedigger are unlocked. The €880k goal is for bridges that span the sewers. The egg might be a placeholder image for something else. Archon have confirm SG beyond €1 million if/when it gets there. The fountain design has not yet been confirmed.

Regarding a base pack add on

Archon StudioCreator
... we had an internal discussion about it and it's on the list to be added in the PM, as we need to finalize the sculpted bases tooling content.

The Giant add on is €25 - if you want to double up on the 1 per backer stuff a 2nd KS account is probably the way to go.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Mrs. GG and I prefer clear bases for our sci-fi gaming, we really like the versatility. But for some reason they just do not quite work for us the same way with our fantasy gaming. They just look somehow out of place. Of course that means we have little dirt mounds and grass growing around the feet of folks in the tavern and on our boats….

Maybe this KS will convince us to use different textured bases for our fantasy minis but right now we try to use the same temperate woodland base style on all of our fantasy pieces, including things like Goblins that are commonly found underground. We know a lot of folks use themed bases to reflect the character of the mini but we like the overall consistency we have with unifying bases when the pieces all hit the table together.

All that said, Archon will be missing a money maker in my opinion if they do not make sculpted bases available as an add-on now and later an item in their retail store. Once tooled, they should be able to easily compete with the current resin sculpted bases on the market.

I unbase all the mins I can with exception of those that are really involved with their base and a selection of bosses that have favoured terrain. Uniformity is key here, so all grasslands or all dungeon or all sand also works. I thought long and hard about doing a unifying theme but felt in the end that clear plastic suited my needs better. It is hands down the best option if you are using map books.

However having some clear plastic and others not is very jarring, so I save themed bases for an absolute minimum of miniatures. Bosses can get away with it, as can big things like dragons. That being said I am rebasing most of the D&L dragons, Draculus and Marduk being notable exceptions. Though my Marduk is on long term hold until I know how to proceed with it. ALL my SF RPG miniatures are clear based, and if the minis is involved with its base then I simply do not buy.
I find it ok to have a rock or chest under a foot on a clear plastic base but I want nothing less generic than that.


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MrPieChee wrote:

The sewers have half the number of walls as the core set, and two less floor tiles - so a quarter less plastic. I don't think this would bother people with several core sets already, but for someone with none of the fantasy stuff it makes a difference.

This is all true but the sewers have double the number of wall sections of a room set, and four times as many floors. I don't think we are hard done by.
But it does highlight that rooms should be kept to accent walls and features if at all possible with the bulk of the purchases in core sets.

€900k down and the Flesh Golem is added. Skeleton and Goblin packs coming up

13 minis and 2 scatter pieces in the last 70k before 1M. Let's just call this Fantasy Collection 3 eh

An awfull little terrain for a terrain Kickstarter.

It's hard to complain given the value but I'd rather have more terrain, yea. Failing that, a bit more coherent NPC lineup, there's plenty of... villager professions... still missing and they're making random stuff like not-Black Panther.

To be fair to Archon they have done most medieval fantasy home furnishings already from D&L 1 and 2.

We need: a privvy, a washtub, a stove, and a pair of scales. Not much else really.

However we are getting a fair amount of terrain but only shown as smaller pencil drawings for the most part. It isn't highlighted but it is there in volume, more than it looks.


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... and we just unlocked the washtubs.

The terrain that's there is pretty good, but if it stays bundled with 80 NPCs it's not really appealing to spam additional Stretch Goal packs like I did with the previous two campaigns. There's still plenty of furniture missing including a village well.

I cant agree with that, many of the terrain pieces are not reasonably spammable:
Picture with hands coming out of it.
Picture with a snake coming out of it.
Woman sitting on a screaming skeleton under her cushion.
Tres stump with embedded skeleton.

There are other less ridiculous designs that you still only need one or maybe two of. How many racks would you need?

Same applies to minis, some are conversion fuel, others may be less useful in that regard.

The way I see it, some items you cant get enough of, and most of those are basic furniture like beds tables and chairs. Others you only need one of. The answer is - gifts.

Give the excess away, unlock your inner not greedy person, spread it around. If you have several fully stocked torture chambers give some away to gamers in your community and let everyone be a sadist.

You will be able to buy more bases in the PM!

Martin BiggsSuperbacker
about 3 hours ago

I've talked to both Derek and Archon, about this. As they don't yet know how many bases are going to be on the sprue(s), the can't give a price yet. But they will be available in the Pledge Manager as an Add-on.

It certainly makes much more sense to do sprue(s) of bases only, as that lets them sell them separately too (and there's certainly a market for decent ones)

Anyone want to help convince Archon to put a Sewer walls sprue as an Addon? There's no way to use all 40 floors with just 32 walls unless you go almost plain rectangle.

I could go for that, or just ask for the sewer core to have one extra sprue. You can argue it will keep pace for product volume with the other core sets.

I could, and there's significantly less content in Sewers than in Fantasy Core, but I probably have better odds asking to pay for it than asking for free

I do get dogpiled by people saying Archon was already asked for individual sprues in previous campaigns and refused. It might not be a floodgate they want to open. Then again, if it makes financial sense for them to tool 5 different sprues of door Add-ons that all have to be individually picked for shipping, it has to make sense to to the same for terrain sprues that already exist.

It makes most sense to ask for the extra wall sprue.

Can you make video?

If so sim it. Count out the exact number on composition from core fantasy sprues, and get the same composition in walls and doorways to make up one core set.
Make up two or three variants of every tile used, it might help to add a sticker or use a room tile to represent those that are full water tiles. Show to everyone that there are not enough tiles to go around, show what a different it would make if there was an extra sprue, clearly labelled with stickers. Then disassemble the whole lot and stick them next to a full fantasy core set with and without the extra sprue to show Archon are not cheating themselves by adding it.
Stick the whole lot on YouTube and link it all over the kickstarter and here.

It wont take long if you have two core sets one room set and a webcam. Sadly I dont have the webcam.

Anyone?

I don't have any D&L panels yet, besides the few doors and walls in the stretch goals...


Goals beyond 1 million are being added now.