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 LunarSol wrote:

...and that phenomenal French conversion army PP seems to have been.... inspired by).

Link by any chance?

 LunarSol wrote:
Khymera's two armies will be lead by Rhyas and Saeryn ...

Unexpected twist! Also I guess I won't be getting Legacy rules for the twins, who I was building a Legion army around when MK3 was dumped

Deadnight wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

...and that phenomenal French conversion army PP seems to have been.... inspired by).

Link by any chance?

This was years ago. I want to say like the 2018 WTC? Someone brought a fully converted clockwork Legion army that got a lot of attention. Looks like there's still some pictures on Pintrist.

Yes, I remember it now! Thanks!

Any news and data from the Adepticon tournament? Players, factions (sorry, Armies ), winners etc. Maybe you have your own, personal experience to share ?

Three streamed games from our last, 75pts tournament in Warsaw (I posted a few pictures here a couple of weeks ago). The videos are in English.
Lylyth vs Goreshade
Wolfe vs Zaateroth
Bradigus vs Goreshade


As it happened two of my games were played on the table with the camera (I am the Cryx, Gorseshade player. I played all three of my games on the day with Goreshade).

Ooooooo I also have been forgetting to check your website (http://momentofclarity.eu/), thrilled to see so many WM4 reports on there!

Well, it's actually not my blog, it's run by Piotr, the last of our WTC players still playing and organising events for the rest of us

Any news on when exactly next batch of Legacy armies is expected to hit the app? I don't have any social media accounts so I'm probably missing a lot from what PP is sharing, and with only Cryx and Trollbloods (and Cygnar Storm Division) I feel a little limited on variety right now.

Cyel wrote:
Any news on when exactly next batch of Legacy armies is expected to hit the app? I don't have any social media accounts so I'm probably missing a lot from what PP is sharing, and with only Cryx and Trollbloods (and Cygnar Storm Division) I feel a little limited on variety right now.

They've generally been releasing the last week of each month. Its feeling extra long right now because they broke that trend and released Circle at the beginning of March ahead of schedule.

By the end of April they'll release Cryx Black Fleet and Menoth Flameguard.

Sounds like May is expecting the redundant forces of Cygnar Storm Knights and Khador Winter Guard.

Why redundant? Do people mostly use the old Storm Knight models to play new Storm Legion?

Tbh, I was also considering this, but old warjacks don't proxy the new ones as neatly and WYSIWYG-aptly as warrior models do. As a result I am happy to hear they are not going to be shelved indefinitely.

Cyel wrote:
Why redundant? Do people mostly use the old Storm Knight models to play new Storm Legion?

Tbh, I was also considering this, but old warjacks don't proxy the new ones as neatly and WYSIWYG-aptly as warrior models do. As a result I am happy to hear they are not going to be shelved indefinitely.

Just thematic redundancy. I'd have preferred if I'm only getting 2 old themes brought forward that Khador get Greylords or Iron Fangs and Cygnar get probably the Marrow stuff rather than themes that are being resculpted for Mk4.

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Oh, I like the look of those Khymaera models - very Zerg-looking.

And troll pirates are just fun.

Everblight is going undersea and getting eyes?!


They do look very cool

If the Beineblood character beast isn't named Zoidberg, we riot

 Overread wrote:
Everblight is going undersea and getting eyes?!


They do look very cool

The squidface is the new Troll pirate character beast.

The dragonkin are the new Khymaera faction. Rhyas and Saeryn finally broke free of Everblight and started their own armies, with blackjack and eyeballs.

I'm kind of on the fence about the Troll pirates. They are totally my thing except the heavy being a giant crab. Not sure why, but that just doesn't click with what I love about Dire Trolls.

 LunarSol wrote:
Rhyas and Saeryn finally broke free of Everblight and started their own armies, with blackjack and eyeballs.

Well played. Also I'm dummy excited for the faction. Sorry, Orgoth starter set lingering in the primed stage!

Is there much known on the other prime models being expanded? I've checked the app but still only 1/5th of my trollblood collection is on the app/ 4th compatible :(

I wouldn't expect them to rush. PP needs the Nu stuff to sell.

Iv just accepted that much of my Mk2/3 stuff isn't going to see the light of day and im just watching to see where Mk4 goes

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Is there much known on the other prime models being expanded? I've checked the app but still only 1/5th of my trollblood collection is on the app/ 4th compatible :(

I believe last estimates were to have all the Prime armies available by the end of August. For Trollbloods, the second army is looking to be called the United Kriels so its not totally clear what is going to be in Prime and what will get regulated to Unlimited. I'd wager most likely we'll see the ranged units mostly but I suspect there's a lot of stuff like Fennblades that are going to be left out.

Yeah, the crab is a special character beast, their normal beasts do look more standard trollish, albeit with the fishy stuff.

And Cryx and a couple others just got their second armies so those are indeed coming slowly.

nuTroll initial rules are posted. Definitely some fun stuff and lots of ways to change up the base statline. Not sure its enough to pick up when I think I prefer my polar bear versions, but they look fun.

An honest question, how do you deal with these 21"threat range, 13"long sprays of nuCygnar, that under Athena's feat and other buffs shred your front line, middle line and back line at the same time, unless you can put your entire army behind a big obstrucion and stay there whole game?

Empirical examples, please

But when are they gonna get to the Menite factory?! ;(

Cyel wrote:
An honest question, how do you deal with these 21"threat range, 13"long sprays of nuCygnar, that under Athena's feat and other buffs shred your front line, middle line and back line at the same time, unless you can put your entire army behind a big obstrucion and stay there whole game?

Empirical examples, please

Cygnar is SO dumb this edition, but generally speaking the answer has been more jacks and more terrain. Honestly the main reason I'm enjoying the edition is for the ability to play on near Malifaux looking boards.


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Pirate Trolls preview box is up for preorder!

https://store.privateerpress.com/mkiv-preview-battlegroup-southern-kriels-brineblood-marauders/



also a preview article below contains the art for their 50 mm "Cav" models:

https://home.privateerpress.com/2023/05/10/yo-ho-ho-ho-a-brinebloods-life-for-me/

New trolls do nothing for me I'm.afraid. goofy to the point of being unbuyable.

I shall pass.

I continue to be quietly sticker shocked by the prices myself, even ignoring that these are 3D prints. $80 for the 3 model troll battlegroup? Ouch. You'd think they'd run these as $50 loss leaders* or something.

*Knowing full well that they cost far less than $50 to print or package.

Thing is once you start adding in taxes, man hours, actually having a wage that isn't bottom of the minimum wage scale (or below it) and a host of other things there isn't all that much room for 3D printing to actually make things super cheap for a company.

The operational startup costs are lower; but you're not actually much of a revolution over other production methods.


Again what we pay for is more than just raw materials and manufacture time for the machine. There's the company, the employees and the wages that make people do this over any other job.




That said I do agree PP does end up very pricey in the market and it doesn't help that some of their moves to try and keep their SKU down have resulted in some very expensive boxed sets for them. Boxed sets that would be fine if the game were blazing away, but which are missplaced I feel when their numbers are lagging. What they need are cheap entry sets to really get people into their games; then those high priced sets work.

That said I do agree PP does end up very pricey in the market and it doesn't help that some of their moves to try and keep their SKU down have resulted in some very expensive boxed sets for them.

its defo a huge blocker when added to everything else. Per model PP is quite expensive when compared to other low to mid tier games (in terms of popularity/player numbers) like Malifaux, Infinity, Moonstone etc so not only is it expensive its also got a bad reputation and image. People are very happy to pay big bucks for small models but not from a company like PP. And stores are not prepared to give shelf space over to it as it just wont shift.

"THAT cost for THAT game from THAT dead company....... lol no thanks mate" - a conversation I have had several times since Mk4 launch.